A New guide in gearing up barbarians (especially for act 2 to 3) for CHEAP(er)

  • #1
    Hi Everyone,

    I am writing this after I came by this post on the official forums

    http://us.battle.net...opic/5575477138 his setup
    http://us.battle.net...38008492?page=1 his reasoning behind his choice of gear (chec the posts made by that user)

    This post opened my eyes on how to gear my barb and wanted to give it a bit more spotlight, as i think a lot of information i have found in most forums are very misleading towards barb setups for survival.

    Before this I was doing the standard Tank barb setups:

    About 40k life, resistances in the 900s, high block shield (29%), 650 lph amulet and bought my first helm of command with a socket. Most items i had were high res (55+) and as much vitality as i could find.

    This left me with the problem of having around 5000 dps even with my 950 dps weapon.

    I could farm act 2 (expect some crazy packs) and do Belial consistently enough. However act 3 was the brick wall everyone has been talking about.

    Yesterday i took the decision to follow the guide and try to maximise EHP rather than with arbitrary rules such as "at least 800 resistance for act 3" or "need stormshield for act3"

    I used the EHP calculator extensively on each purchase, maximising EHP.

    The outcome was ridiculous, i was able to reach about 1,3 million EHP on the calculator.
    The best part being that each item is MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper on the AH than the standard 50+ res gears with VIT and cheap enough that i can EVEN get a significat amount of strengh on most pieces!

    My DPS is topping 12,000 and act 2 has become a joke with my high EHP. I can do about 60-70% of the packs in act 3 thus can slowly farm sieagebreaker as well.

    All considering i am selling my old high res gear and buying mid res (30-50) with VIT, STR and possibly life%, that give me higher EHP and DPS and cost around a 1/3 of the gear i am selling.

    Right now i am sitting at a spot that my next upgrades will be much more expensive, as my Vit is getting very high and armor and res is starting to give more EHP to me (and we all know Res gear are a magnitude more expensive than other gear). However my DPS is higher than anything i could have immagined not long ago.

    People having problem for gearing for act 2 and act 3 should really read that post.

    Great thanks for the OP, he deserves more spotlight!\

    Edit:

    I have yet to embrace the OP's usage of cleave, i will give it a go later.

    I did not put AH prices in the post because i play in Asia, as each AH has different prices for items.

    I am considering experimenting with 2h, as shield block mitigation loses lots of its value as my res and armor are not that high.
  • #2
    I can imagine this way of gearing is especially good for 2h barbs, seeing as the biggest reason for going very high allres is to lower hits enough to be blocked completely.
  • #3
    Thanks for sharing this, gonna check it out :)
  • #4
    he has low dps and over 900 RA, i dont see much if any difference to the "traditional" gearing, he obviously has a LOT of hp but that's mostly because he has great gear and other who have gear like that have less hp but more dps

    overall its still a tank build, nothing more, nothing less
  • #5
    Quote from Gnarf

    he has low dps and over 900 RA, i dont see much if any difference to the "traditional" gearing, he obviously has a LOT of hp but that's mostly because he has great gear and other who have gear like that have less hp but more dps

    overall its still a tank build, nothing more, nothing less


    I think the main argument is not what his gear is now at, but the cost of acquiring gear for the same result.

    I went to the standard Res>Vit>Sr> route and items on AH are very expensive, also because you will almost need legendaries to be even viable in act 3.

    Doing the EHP route I achieved better results without having to buy legendaries, and spent about tenth of the money that people suggest in most forums.
  • #6
    Sory to ask but whats EHP? :o

    BerserkPT#2797

  • #7
    Quote from BerserkPT

    Sory to ask but whats EHP? :o

    Effective Health Points/Pool. Essentially it is a figure that tells you how much damage you can survive without healing and it is found by factoring in resistance, block, armor, dodge and all other damage reductions along with your health.
  • #8
    http://www.diablofans.com/topic/43712-diablo3-effective-health-pool-calculator/

    This guys made an awsome user freindly EHP calculator. And the item compare tool is very usefull too.
  • #9
    Quote from hlxino

    Quote from Gnarf

    he has low dps and over 900 RA, i dont see much if any difference to the "traditional" gearing, he obviously has a LOT of hp but that's mostly because he has great gear and other who have gear like that have less hp but more dps

    overall its still a tank build, nothing more, nothing less


    I think the main argument is not what his gear is now at, but the cost of acquiring gear for the same result.

    I went to the standard Res>Vit>Sr> route and items on AH are very expensive, also because you will almost need legendaries to be even viable in act 3.

    Doing the EHP route I achieved better results without having to buy legendaries, and spent about tenth of the money that people suggest in most forums.


    maybe im dumb but i still dont get the big difference in items that he is picking

    you say expensive route is RA>vit>str, his route is vit>RA? or what?

    >.

    edit: any item that has high +vit and high all resists is going to cost A LOT, obviously less than the ones that have an extra stat such as strength but its still not cheap

    only items that are VERY expensive are string of ears, stormshield (or any high block % shield for that matter) and obviously good 1 hander with LoH
  • #10
    No, the idea is to get rid of all the thoughts that you need 1k resists and 10k armor for act x, and instead of pushing for these goals, keep an open mind for other stats. punch them into a EHP calc and you will see the real value of the stats that your limited gold can buy you.

    sure, its ideal to have 10x more armour than resists etc, but it you can get 1.5x more amour than all res for your gold then you should see if that gives you more EHP.

    The guy in the linked post found that it was cheaper to buy lower res all items, with lots of VIT and life% that the 60+ all res items that the world is chasing.

    your milage will vary ofc, thats what the calculators for :P
  • #11
    Quote from Gnarf

    Quote from hlxino

    Quote from Gnarf

    he has low dps and over 900 RA, i dont see much if any difference to the "traditional" gearing, he obviously has a LOT of hp but that's mostly because he has great gear and other who have gear like that have less hp but more dps

    overall its still a tank build, nothing more, nothing less


    I think the main argument is not what his gear is now at, but the cost of acquiring gear for the same result.

    I went to the standard Res>Vit>Sr> route and items on AH are very expensive, also because you will almost need legendaries to be even viable in act 3.

    Doing the EHP route I achieved better results without having to buy legendaries, and spent about tenth of the money that people suggest in most forums.


    maybe im dumb but i still dont get the big difference in items that he is picking

    you say expensive route is RA>vit>str, his route is vit>RA? or what?

    >.

    edit: any item that has high +vit and high all resists is going to cost A LOT, obviously less than the ones that have an extra stat such as strength but its still not cheap

    only items that are VERY expensive are string of ears, stormshield (or any high block % shield for that matter) and obviously good 1 hander with LoH


    Most items with over 60 res and vitality are also very expensive, for example a 60 res and 100 vitality will be much more expensive than a 30 res 150 vit, because people value res over vitality.

    However the latter item will most likely give much higher EHP than the first one as most people have been stacking resistance.

    His route is not vit>life% or whatever, his route is using the calculator and maximising EHP, as the benefit of each point of res, vit or life% changes relative to the value of your other items
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