I recently bought some gold off the auction house since it's so cheap (haven't gotten a single dropped upgrade for ANY of my characters in months, this includes low level characters as well) and I spent about 500-600 million gold buying gear for my monk that allows to me do MP10.
My only question is, should I be doing it? I remember before patch 1.0.8, doing the lower levels actually gave you better EXP and chances at legendaries simply because of the rate at which you'd kill something. But what about after 1.0.8?
Should I just continue to plow through the lower level MPs in a few minutes on single player? Or since the whole EXP change should I go to MP10 on multiplayer and spend some time killing mobs there?
I'm only paragon level 35, and my main goal is to get to paragon 100 as quick as possible.
honestly, unless you're geared for mp10, i see no reason for anyone to be there unless they want to be challenged from what's left of this nerfed game.
u can say people going mp10 is because of the supposed 'better drops/chances/affixes/etc' but like i said unless you can turn mp10 into the likes of mp7, really no point there.
also mp10 = trash killing only. a formiddable group can melt mp10 with elites/champs included
1) Are you asking for "higher MP levels" or MP10 in particular? Because quite frankly the steps from MP8->MP9 and MP9->MP10 (with regard to monster HP) are so insane that they hardly justify "farming" there. I'm farming MP7 because it seems to be a good trade-off, but then my gear also isn't that great (mere 115k unbuffed). In general, I think the times are over where you should go MP0 for the "best trade-off", in particular due to the bonus item chance on MP7-10, the increased bonus XP which makes ruby/Hellfire Ring useless and allows for more DPS/EHP/SoJ, chance for keys, and (at least subjectively) higher amount of drops. If you should go MP10 is a different story, I think it's a lot about if you either want a challenge or showing off, I think for 99.999% of players MP10 is lowering their average performance/XP gain/drop rate.
2) This is a bit off-topic, but may I ask what stats you got such that 500m were enough to get your monk MP10 ready? I'm in the same boat, switched to monk but I'm struggling a bit as to what he needs to go from MP7 (where I'm now at) to the higher levels.
P.S.: The MP level XP change was already in 1.07, the only thing that changed in 1.08 was group XP, so it's advisable to run in a full group rather than alone due to the 30% multiplicative group buff.
2) This is a bit off-topic, but may I ask what stats you got such that 500m were enough to get your monk MP10 ready? I'm in the same boat, switched to monk but I'm struggling a bit as to what he needs to go from MP7 (where I'm now at) to the higher levels.
I would like to point out that I probably spent about 700 million TOTAL, but that's because I bought a few things that didn't work out exactly too well. Also, MP10 is possible, but it's not something I'm able to farm with ease. A difficult elite/rare pack will melt my face off. MP8 on the other hand, is very easy for me to handle. MP9 is also pretty easy, although I will die a little bit more then MP8.
EDIT: MP9, and MP10 I change to the dodge mantra with the extra armor.
PS another advise is not to buy so much on RMAH, it takes away the feeling that YOU accomplished something in the game.
To have a character that manages to do Ubers on MP9-10 that you yourself has created by farming and selling items on normal AH to buy new stuff is much more self rewarding.. but thats just my opinion
I will agree with that, but it's at the point where I literally haven't received any upgrade for any character in about 7 or 8 months. I was driving me CRAZY. I need to feel rewarded, not like I'm just doing this for nothing, which is what it was turning out to be.
Main reason to do MP10 is when you stomp everything else so hard it's not even fun anymore. Myself i'm playing MP10 when in mood or MP8 when cba to pay attention. Overall feels like MP8 is sweet spot for exp, but i imagine that after few upgrades i'll be stomping MP 10 almost as hard as i do MP8 atm.
i don't think mp10 is as rewarding as some people have put it out to be beside 100% key/organs. i mean, have you seen undergeared players waiting to be carried in mp10 pub games?
2) This is a bit off-topic, but may I ask what stats you got such that 500m were enough to get your monk MP10 ready? I'm in the same boat, switched to monk but I'm struggling a bit as to what he needs to go from MP7 (where I'm now at) to the higher levels.
I would like to point out that I probably spent about 700 million TOTAL, but that's because I bought a few things that didn't work out exactly too well. Also, MP10 is possible, but it's not something I'm able to farm with ease. A difficult elite/rare pack will melt my face off. MP8 on the other hand, is very easy for me to handle. MP9 is also pretty easy, although I will die a little bit more then MP8.
EDIT: MP9, and MP10 I change to the dodge mantra with the extra armor.
Dont want to be mean or something but did you spend your millions by just crafting shoulders & wrists or those things that didn't work out well cost like 200-300 mil each?
I mean your gear is really weak. Did a quick PC:
Head - 10 mil
chest - 7 mil
boots - 7 mil
nat's ring - ~8mil
unity ~7 mil
pants < 1 mil
Head - 10 mil
chest - 7 mil
boots - 7 mil
nat's ring - ~8mil
unity ~7 mil
pants < 1 mil
Hey,
1) Could we please not turn this into a flame thread? OP did not ask for a price check on his gear, nor to be flamed for not farming the AH for best deals. Some people prefer to play and not to spend hours on the AH.
2) Some of the prices you say are just not true. And I say that having checked the AH (EU, just like you I guess based on your profile) for upgrades for my monk just a few minutes ago (and my monk is similarly geared, although I made different choices for some slots, e.g., vit pants, 4 piece Inna's, etc.). Maybe you missed some small details; little stuff like ~40 arcane res here or there for OWE, some dex or vit more make the difference between 1m, 10m, and 100m. Some of his pieces of gear may be improved for small money, and he even said that he probably spend a bit more than necessary, but especially his weapons are not "bad" and cost him probably quite some money.
is double lifesteal mandatory for melees nowadays? i mean, barbs are littered with lifesteal while monks have to rely on weapons only
Having read millions of threads the past few days while gearing up and getting to know my new favorite class... I'd say it's pretty much mandatory, according to what the majority reports. One LS weapon (it'd better be 2.8%+ then) might be enough if you have more mitigation or "outgear content" DPS-wise, but since the first is expensive and the second is not advisable, I'd say it doesn't make for most people sense to go with a non-LS weapon.
To tie this back to the OP: if you go MP10, you almost definitely want 2 LS weapons. The mitigation you need to be able to survive an average MP10 elite is probably more expensive than the difference between LS and non-LS weapon.
I dont really understand your question but from what I see, with your gear and DPs u should have no bussines being in MP10.MP10 should be done when u can do it efficiently.Meaning killing White mobs in 2-3 hits and elites in under 30 sec ( maybe some lee way on very hard packs ),
With the gear I see you have on ( very hard to believe u spent 700 mil on that gear tbh but w/e its your gold ) u should be farming mMP7-8.And your build needs some changing up since I think its way too defensive to ever be to efficient at running anything.
Another thing is , double lifesteal is mandatory if u dont have very high dps. I got ~250K unbuffed with WKL ( with CHD ) and besides reflect packs and some retarded combo like electrified/molten/nightmare I usually stay like that and not switch to my LS WKL.
And yes MP10 is worth it if u can farm it efficiently because the 100% drop chance on bonus item is pretty big.( IF U CAN FARM IT EFFICIENTLY ), hence why ACT1 Fields + Wheeping + Decaying Crypt is badass cause there are few packs and lots and lots of mobs.
If you can do mp10, do mp10. The additional items drop bonus is what gets you the legendaries
This dude is absolutely right. However, if you struggle in doing MP10 solo, drop down a peg or two, the time it will take to kill stuff will drop, thus increasing the amount of exp you can get. I can't look at your gear on my phone, but usually people undercut peoples' gear. That being said, do what you can handle with 1 - 2deaths a run, to get the most exp and hopefully the best loot possible. If you have a powerful group, do MP10 hands down. You can't beat the sheer amount of items / legs that drop, and the exp is pretty tasty. One last point, LS on one weapon is all you need given you have enough DPS/survivability. happy hunting my friend
P.s. I know how you feel not finding a damn thing for months... I don't understand how it's possible with RNG... unless RNG isn't really RNG but an illusion ;D
In general, I think the times are over where you should go MP0 for the "best trade-off", in particular due to the bonus item chance on MP7-10, the increased bonus XP which makes ruby/Hellfire Ring useless and allows for more DPS/EHP/SoJ, chance for keys, and (at least subjectively) higher amount of drops.
Are you sure, we're there just yet? I don't see it, looking at the numbers.
Let's assume, a player does not outgear a certain MP lvl, as in he doesn't kill stuff on MP7 as fast as he does on MP1, it's obvious to play the higher lvl in that case.
According to this calculator http://d3xp.weebly.com/ (which seems to give correct results), players get the following exp bonuses:
"Basic" setup (Hellfire Ring, Star Ruby, 2nd Hellfire on Follower) on MP 1 gives 336% xp.
The same setup on MP7 gives 774% xp. That's about 2.3 times as much.
Now I don't see the benefit in taking 8x the time to get twice the reward. Drops aren't that much better, too (59% bonus items on MP7, even accounting for the bonus MF the effect should be less than 2x in item value)
I'm aware there are more factores to this, like movement speed, but that can't possibly close this gap.
So, I'd stay with the classic "highest MP that you can (almost) one-shot trash.
Oh and I'd actually like to be wrong on this
^ u are wrong in this.We are there right now.With 100mil budget builds being able to do high MP on all classes.Monk can do a Bell Builds and do MP7-8 easily. Doctors have their specs also especially since 1200-1250 LS skorns are cheap s fuck.Same applies to barb who can farm like a beast with Skorn and rend build and wizard can farm like a boss with CM spec.
There is no reason in 1.0.8 to ever do MP0-1 anymore dude to how much gear u can get for so little gold.And if u dont rush your "budget" build u can get even better gear for the money.;
And your "8x" more mindset is so outdated its not funny at all.I think its obvious to anyone with a brain that if u kill a white mob1000000000 x harder on MN7 then on MP1 u shouldnt be on MP7.But as I said, the builds that are avaible today for the classes plus the huge amount of very good items at good prices for the medium-high range items makes for all classes to be able to farm high MP for very few gold, yes 100mil gold is nothing atm. Hell if u want u can farm with 20mil budget build almost the same with all classes, as proven by streamers/self testing/billions of budget builds on youtube.
The HP jump from mp 9 to 10 is retarded. The reward jump from 9 to 10 is not worth it at all. I farm mp 9 and 10 with ease. I tend to stay at 9 cause its just not worth farming 10.
Im currently at 280k dps unbuffed, your dps is at 140k ish. you are not rdy for mp10, not even close.
^ u are wrong in this.We are there right now.With 100mil budget builds being able to do high MP on all classes.
Nope, he's right and I was partially wrong. But more importantly, you're wrong with what you said. First of all, 100m is quite a lot of money for many many players. Majority of people on my friends list has still gear worth less than 100m (and no, not all of them are inactive). Secondly, even for 100m or more not every class can do high MP. Talk to any random DH.
My TR monk (equip definitely worth more than 100m) can not efficiently farm MP1, and you don't want to limit people to one specific cookie cutter build, don't you? Would be a strange argument.
According to this calculator http://d3xp.weebly.com/ (which seems to give correct results), players get the following exp bonuses:
"Basic" setup (Hellfire Ring, Star Ruby, 2nd Hellfire on Follower) on MP 1 gives 336% xp.
The same setup on MP7 gives 774% xp. That's about 2.3 times as much.
Actually, the calculator is just "almost" correct... there's a glitch in Hellfire on follower calculation. Well, almost doesn't make a difference. The author should fix this... but he's a lazy bum who recently enjoyed leveling up his monk, writing guides, and surfing forums 24/7 more than programming and fixing his stuff at the moment.
If this table (http://us.battle.net...lory-10-11-2012) is still correct in terms of monster HP(is it?), they have 150% on MP1 and 1253% on MP7, which is about 8.3 times as much.
Now I don't see the benefit in taking 8x the time to get twice the reward. Drops aren't that much better, too (59% bonus items on MP7, even accounting for the bonus MF the effect should be less than 2x in item value)
I'm actually also not an adversary of lower MP levels; on the contrary, I have almost the same gear as OP (bit less DPS, bit more EHP) but absolutely no intention to go MP10.
BUT I think that your 8x scaling example is a bit off. The main reason is that killing mobs and moving around is intermingled and difficult to separate. It also depends a lot on your spec. For example, I'm on a Combination Strike 2 spirit generators build right now and I felt that on MP5 it was challenging to keep all the buffs up.
This is what people use spreadsheets: Take the time, note down XP gain (and drops, if interested - rares, because legendaries are just too much RNG) per MP level for an average run (or to have a larger sample just one small area). You'll see that your XP gain per time is not that much worse on high MP than what basic math predicted, and same applies for items, essences, and obviously you'll have more keys if you're interested in that. Note the small qualifiers that I put in: in my first post it says "subjectively", and also "not much worse" instead of "better". The point is that probably according to spreadsheets MP0 is still king, but the gap has become so small that higher MPs sometimes "feel more rewarding" or at least "as rewarding as MP0".
Being that MP0 has no monster density upgrades it should be completely dropped from any serious farming discussion as it's decidedly suboptimal under every circumstance unless you don't have gear to do MP1, which is a very small segment of the population.
The amount of completely wrong information in this thread is staggering.
First of all, if u cannot do MP1 on 100mil TR monk, u are doing something extremely , extremely fkn wrong.And DH, yes I admit DH are freaking broken atm in terms of either u have 100bill worth of gear and u farm MP10 or u dont.
And excuse me but 100 mil is worthless atm and u can get v good gear with it.And as I said u can get the lesser version of the 100mil set with 20 mil and still farm very good, with the amount of evidence against what you claim , im really dumbfounded that you would write what you have written.
And, if someone is active and 100mil is much, they havent been playing and are in the "1000 elites killed and complaining on forums" crowd.
I mean for fuck sake 20 mil is what 0.50 freaking cents?
Nothing u said in your posts rings any truth whatsoever, besides the DH not farming high MP with 100mil which is 100% true.
O , and there is nothing wrong with cookie cutter build.It's just a fact that u can get more out of your 20mil or 100mil budget with a bell build than a Speed Palm build.U people really need to get your facts straight.
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I recently bought some gold off the auction house since it's so cheap (haven't gotten a single dropped upgrade for ANY of my characters in months, this includes low level characters as well) and I spent about 500-600 million gold buying gear for my monk that allows to me do MP10.
My only question is, should I be doing it? I remember before patch 1.0.8, doing the lower levels actually gave you better EXP and chances at legendaries simply because of the rate at which you'd kill something. But what about after 1.0.8?
Should I just continue to plow through the lower level MPs in a few minutes on single player? Or since the whole EXP change should I go to MP10 on multiplayer and spend some time killing mobs there?
I'm only paragon level 35, and my main goal is to get to paragon 100 as quick as possible.
Any tips would help a lot. Thanks~
u can say people going mp10 is because of the supposed 'better drops/chances/affixes/etc' but like i said unless you can turn mp10 into the likes of mp7, really no point there.
also mp10 = trash killing only. a formiddable group can melt mp10 with elites/champs included
2) This is a bit off-topic, but may I ask what stats you got such that 500m were enough to get your monk MP10 ready? I'm in the same boat, switched to monk but I'm struggling a bit as to what he needs to go from MP7 (where I'm now at) to the higher levels.
P.S.: The MP level XP change was already in 1.07, the only thing that changed in 1.08 was group XP, so it's advisable to run in a full group rather than alone due to the 30% multiplicative group buff.
Here's my profile. http://us.battle.net...1261/hero/12464
I would like to point out that I probably spent about 700 million TOTAL, but that's because I bought a few things that didn't work out exactly too well. Also, MP10 is possible, but it's not something I'm able to farm with ease. A difficult elite/rare pack will melt my face off. MP8 on the other hand, is very easy for me to handle. MP9 is also pretty easy, although I will die a little bit more then MP8.
EDIT: MP9, and MP10 I change to the dodge mantra with the extra armor.
I will agree with that, but it's at the point where I literally haven't received any upgrade for any character in about 7 or 8 months. I was driving me CRAZY. I need to feel rewarded, not like I'm just doing this for nothing, which is what it was turning out to be.
Dont want to be mean or something but did you spend your millions by just crafting shoulders & wrists or those things that didn't work out well cost like 200-300 mil each?
I mean your gear is really weak. Did a quick PC:
Head - 10 mil
chest - 7 mil
boots - 7 mil
nat's ring - ~8mil
unity ~7 mil
pants < 1 mil
Hey,
1) Could we please not turn this into a flame thread? OP did not ask for a price check on his gear, nor to be flamed for not farming the AH for best deals. Some people prefer to play and not to spend hours on the AH.
2) Some of the prices you say are just not true. And I say that having checked the AH (EU, just like you I guess based on your profile) for upgrades for my monk just a few minutes ago (and my monk is similarly geared, although I made different choices for some slots, e.g., vit pants, 4 piece Inna's, etc.). Maybe you missed some small details; little stuff like ~40 arcane res here or there for OWE, some dex or vit more make the difference between 1m, 10m, and 100m. Some of his pieces of gear may be improved for small money, and he even said that he probably spend a bit more than necessary, but especially his weapons are not "bad" and cost him probably quite some money.
Having read millions of threads the past few days while gearing up and getting to know my new favorite class... I'd say it's pretty much mandatory, according to what the majority reports. One LS weapon (it'd better be 2.8%+ then) might be enough if you have more mitigation or "outgear content" DPS-wise, but since the first is expensive and the second is not advisable, I'd say it doesn't make for most people sense to go with a non-LS weapon.
To tie this back to the OP: if you go MP10, you almost definitely want 2 LS weapons. The mitigation you need to be able to survive an average MP10 elite is probably more expensive than the difference between LS and non-LS weapon.
With the gear I see you have on ( very hard to believe u spent 700 mil on that gear tbh but w/e its your gold ) u should be farming mMP7-8.And your build needs some changing up since I think its way too defensive to ever be to efficient at running anything.
Another thing is , double lifesteal is mandatory if u dont have very high dps. I got ~250K unbuffed with WKL ( with CHD ) and besides reflect packs and some retarded combo like electrified/molten/nightmare I usually stay like that and not switch to my LS WKL.
And yes MP10 is worth it if u can farm it efficiently because the 100% drop chance on bonus item is pretty big.( IF U CAN FARM IT EFFICIENTLY ), hence why ACT1 Fields + Wheeping + Decaying Crypt is badass cause there are few packs and lots and lots of mobs.
This dude is absolutely right. However, if you struggle in doing MP10 solo, drop down a peg or two, the time it will take to kill stuff will drop, thus increasing the amount of exp you can get. I can't look at your gear on my phone, but usually people undercut peoples' gear. That being said, do what you can handle with 1 - 2deaths a run, to get the most exp and hopefully the best loot possible. If you have a powerful group, do MP10 hands down. You can't beat the sheer amount of items / legs that drop, and the exp is pretty tasty. One last point, LS on one weapon is all you need given you have enough DPS/survivability. happy hunting my friend
P.s. I know how you feel not finding a damn thing for months... I don't understand how it's possible with RNG... unless RNG isn't really RNG but an illusion ;D
Are you sure, we're there just yet? I don't see it, looking at the numbers.
Let's assume, a player does not outgear a certain MP lvl, as in he doesn't kill stuff on MP7 as fast as he does on MP1, it's obvious to play the higher lvl in that case.
According to this calculator http://d3xp.weebly.com/ (which seems to give correct results), players get the following exp bonuses:
"Basic" setup (Hellfire Ring, Star Ruby, 2nd Hellfire on Follower) on MP 1 gives 336% xp.
The same setup on MP7 gives 774% xp. That's about 2.3 times as much.
If this table (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/7540457/monster-power-more-guts-more-glory-10-11-2012) is still correct in terms of monster HP(is it?), they have 150% on MP1 and 1253% on MP7, which is about 8.3 times as much.
Now I don't see the benefit in taking 8x the time to get twice the reward. Drops aren't that much better, too (59% bonus items on MP7, even accounting for the bonus MF the effect should be less than 2x in item value)
I'm aware there are more factores to this, like movement speed, but that can't possibly close this gap.
So, I'd stay with the classic "highest MP that you can (almost) one-shot trash.
Oh and I'd actually like to be wrong on this
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sol77-2972/hero/66110450
There is no reason in 1.0.8 to ever do MP0-1 anymore dude to how much gear u can get for so little gold.And if u dont rush your "budget" build u can get even better gear for the money.;
And your "8x" more mindset is so outdated its not funny at all.I think its obvious to anyone with a brain that if u kill a white mob1000000000 x harder on MN7 then on MP1 u shouldnt be on MP7.But as I said, the builds that are avaible today for the classes plus the huge amount of very good items at good prices for the medium-high range items makes for all classes to be able to farm high MP for very few gold, yes 100mil gold is nothing atm. Hell if u want u can farm with 20mil budget build almost the same with all classes, as proven by streamers/self testing/billions of budget builds on youtube.
Im currently at 280k dps unbuffed, your dps is at 140k ish. you are not rdy for mp10, not even close.
My Barb.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Knowah-1594/hero/1683079
Stick to 9 for now unless blizz changes the reward for 10.
Nope, he's right and I was partially wrong. But more importantly, you're wrong with what you said. First of all, 100m is quite a lot of money for many many players. Majority of people on my friends list has still gear worth less than 100m (and no, not all of them are inactive). Secondly, even for 100m or more not every class can do high MP. Talk to any random DH.
My TR monk (equip definitely worth more than 100m) can not efficiently farm MP1, and you don't want to limit people to one specific cookie cutter build, don't you? Would be a strange argument.
Actually, the calculator is just "almost" correct... there's a glitch in Hellfire on follower calculation. Well, almost doesn't make a difference. The author should fix this... but he's a lazy bum who recently enjoyed leveling up his monk, writing guides, and surfing forums 24/7 more than programming and fixing his stuff at the moment.
I'm actually also not an adversary of lower MP levels; on the contrary, I have almost the same gear as OP (bit less DPS, bit more EHP) but absolutely no intention to go MP10.
BUT I think that your 8x scaling example is a bit off. The main reason is that killing mobs and moving around is intermingled and difficult to separate. It also depends a lot on your spec. For example, I'm on a Combination Strike 2 spirit generators build right now and I felt that on MP5 it was challenging to keep all the buffs up.
This is what people use spreadsheets: Take the time, note down XP gain (and drops, if interested - rares, because legendaries are just too much RNG) per MP level for an average run (or to have a larger sample just one small area). You'll see that your XP gain per time is not that much worse on high MP than what basic math predicted, and same applies for items, essences, and obviously you'll have more keys if you're interested in that. Note the small qualifiers that I put in: in my first post it says "subjectively", and also "not much worse" instead of "better". The point is that probably according to spreadsheets MP0 is still king, but the gap has become so small that higher MPs sometimes "feel more rewarding" or at least "as rewarding as MP0".
First of all, if u cannot do MP1 on 100mil TR monk, u are doing something extremely , extremely fkn wrong.And DH, yes I admit DH are freaking broken atm in terms of either u have 100bill worth of gear and u farm MP10 or u dont.
And excuse me but 100 mil is worthless atm and u can get v good gear with it.And as I said u can get the lesser version of the 100mil set with 20 mil and still farm very good, with the amount of evidence against what you claim , im really dumbfounded that you would write what you have written.
And, if someone is active and 100mil is much, they havent been playing and are in the "1000 elites killed and complaining on forums" crowd.
I mean for fuck sake 20 mil is what 0.50 freaking cents?
Nothing u said in your posts rings any truth whatsoever, besides the DH not farming high MP with 100mil which is 100% true.
O , and there is nothing wrong with cookie cutter build.It's just a fact that u can get more out of your 20mil or 100mil budget with a bell build than a Speed Palm build.U people really need to get your facts straight.