So i am just wondering if mp1 still will be the best place to farm in after the patch? Sure you get better rewarded with xp in higher lvls, but stuff is still harder to kill, what are your thoughts?
I think it depends on your character, how far up the paragon lvl you are. Me, I can farm mp2 with my Witch Dr it's almost impossible for me to die. MP 3 I just have to concentrate a bit more, although mp 2 is most likely what I'll use when I get back to serious leveling up with him.
Moldran ran spreadsheets on every MP on PTR on his GODLY barb. MP1 was THE fastest xp:hour ratio. If anyone here out gears him, by all means, go for a higher MP level... But hes probably one of the best planned out Barb's in the game as far as eDPS.
Higher MPs are better for XP now, but MP0/1 is still by far the best for 99.9999% of players.
Partially true. Higher MP's give increased XP but the XP to health ratio is still skewed too high into the higher MP's. If you sit and look at the scaling yourself, the ratio on paper is best on MP1. Based on pure math alone, there's no way to argue that any higher MP is faster (more time efficient for XP) than MP1. Now if you're wanting to accomplish more MF and higher % drop on Demonic Essence, then sure, a higher MP may be what you're looking for. But for pure XP rates, MP1 will be the best, regardless of gear. Unless of course MP1 is too much for your current gear. Then you're still going to be in MP0.
I don't think people should be more focused now on farming legendaries and new crafting materials than XP.
Leveling time has been upped more than double. Most people still playing D3 still is probably at least lvl50.
Certainly most of the people here are much higher even. I'm 88 and I stopped playing as soon as I heard that XP gain would be much better. I'm just wandering if it will bore me to death once I get to paragon 100. Since then I would have no more goals. I've been playing all MPs done Everything that I could, not much for me to do now. Probably the reason I went for HC now.
Moldran ran spreadsheets on every MP on PTR on his GODLY barb. MP1 was THE fastest xp:hour ratio. If anyone here out gears him, by all means, go for a higher MP level... But hes probably one of the best planned out Barb's in the game as far as eDPS.
Well I don't know this guy and I certainly can't outgear anyone, but when mobs die in one hit on mp4, I don't see why I should bother with lower mp.
Although it is true that most of the monsters you kill are white and the majority of the time you spend killing elites on higher MP can be a bit more difficult. As their health scales better
Not to mention that they can kill you a lot easier. So maybe your time would be the same if you never died, but it can happen that you die sometimes and that increases the total farm time
Moldran ran spreadsheets on every MP on PTR on his GODLY barb. MP1 was THE fastest xp:hour ratio. If anyone here out gears him, by all means, go for a higher MP level... But hes probably one of the best planned out Barb's in the game as far as eDPS.
Well I don't know this guy and I certainly can't outgear anyone, but when mobs die in one hit on mp4, I don't see why I should bother with lower mp.
You won't one hit elites on MP4. That's where the time sink comes in. The time it takes to kill elites on MP4 compared to MP1 is VERYYYY noticeable. Do the math on 10-15 elite packs (im lowballing it here) in an Alkazier run. Let's say they take 5 more seconds per pack on MP4 than on MP1. Thats an added 50-75sec per run. That really starts to add up at the end of the day when you're looking for the best xp:hour ratio.
Thats an added 50-75sec per run. That really starts to add up at the end of the day when you're looking for the best xp:hour ratio.
Point taken. But it won't matter for me because I get like 2-3 hours in during weekdays.
Also a good point. Than you are not efficient in any way. And better for you to play what you like the most
That sentence doesn't even make sense. Lack of large amounts of time do not mean you are not efficient, it just means you have other shit to do IRL. He has extremely limited time to play, so efficiency matters even more for him.
Thats an added 50-75sec per run. That really starts to add up at the end of the day when you're looking for the best xp:hour ratio.
Point taken. But it won't matter for me because I get like 2-3 hours in during weekdays.
Also a good point. Than you are not efficient in any way. And better for you to play what you like the most
That sentence doesn't even make sense. Lack of large amounts of time do not mean you are not efficient, it just means you have other shit to do IRL. He has extremely limited time to play, so efficiency matters even more for him.
I completely disagree with you on that point. While some people like High end players and Streamers do care of their efficiency, people that haven't got much time to play can never get even close to players that play the game 10h/day. So why would they try to something like that. My point is next.
Lets say I have 20 minutes per day to play the game. If I play as efficient as I can I could finish 2 runs in ACT3 Alkaizer mode.
But then Again, if I'm not that efficient I will finish those same 2 runs in 23minutes.
Every man, that has 20 also has 23 minutes to play the game. I would say it is more important to him to do 2 runs and have more fun than to complete 2 runs efficient, because he would for sure not have the time to play another run. Usually people do a run or 2 per day to relax, so it makes more sense to play a bit higher MP.
Than again for someone that plays 10h/day 1.5minutes longer run(from 10 to 11.5 minute) sums up to 8 runs per day. That is too many elites.
Yeah, for me it's similar to what Turtel says. I don't care about efficiency, but just for the sake of trying it out I occasionally did some super fast timed Alkaizer runs for one hour. Tried to get some paragon levels as fast as possible before my friends came online (we don't care about efficiency because we talk so much while playing without paying attention).
But if I have a free weekend and play for a couple of hours, I could never do something like ~5 hours of Alkaizer runs with "max efficiency". I'd feel like a robot.
Moldran ran spreadsheets on every MP on PTR on his GODLY barb. MP1 was THE fastest xp:hour ratio. If anyone here out gears him, by all means, go for a higher MP level... But hes probably one of the best planned out Barb's in the game as far as eDPS.
Well I don't know this guy and I certainly can't outgear anyone, but when mobs die in one hit on mp4, I don't see why I should bother with lower mp.
You won't one hit elites on MP4. That's where the time sink comes in. The time it takes to kill elites on MP4 compared to MP1 is VERYYYY noticeable. Do the math on 10-15 elite packs (im lowballing it here) in an Alkazier run. Let's say they take 5 more seconds per pack on MP4 than on MP1. Thats an added 50-75sec per run. That really starts to add up at the end of the day when you're looking for the best xp:hour ratio.
To build on this - if we know MP1 is the sweet spot I know I won't need to have 180+k dps on my barb, I can drop him to a comfortable 120k and wear full IK set, maybe a few pieces with MF that arent BIS but get me to my cap since im not paragon 100 yet, and I'm still blowing through elites nearly one shotting them - keeping my fury up all the time and getting more sprint uptime. Win/Win/Win
So i am just wondering if mp1 still will be the best place to farm in after the patch? Sure you get better rewarded with xp in higher lvls, but stuff is still harder to kill, what are your thoughts?
Just for reference this is my barb: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Kshatriya-2565/hero/7827085
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Storm-21498/hero/47687845
Partially true. Higher MP's give increased XP but the XP to health ratio is still skewed too high into the higher MP's. If you sit and look at the scaling yourself, the ratio on paper is best on MP1. Based on pure math alone, there's no way to argue that any higher MP is faster (more time efficient for XP) than MP1. Now if you're wanting to accomplish more MF and higher % drop on Demonic Essence, then sure, a higher MP may be what you're looking for. But for pure XP rates, MP1 will be the best, regardless of gear. Unless of course MP1 is too much for your current gear. Then you're still going to be in MP0.
Leveling time has been upped more than double. Most people still playing D3 still is probably at least lvl50.
Certainly most of the people here are much higher even. I'm 88 and I stopped playing as soon as I heard that XP gain would be much better. I'm just wandering if it will bore me to death once I get to paragon 100. Since then I would have no more goals. I've been playing all MPs done Everything that I could, not much for me to do now. Probably the reason I went for HC now.
Although it is true that most of the monsters you kill are white and the majority of the time you spend killing elites on higher MP can be a bit more difficult. As their health scales better
Not to mention that they can kill you a lot easier. So maybe your time would be the same if you never died, but it can happen that you die sometimes and that increases the total farm time
Also a good point. Than you are not efficient in any way. And better for you to play what you like the most
That sentence doesn't even make sense. Lack of large amounts of time do not mean you are not efficient, it just means you have other shit to do IRL. He has extremely limited time to play, so efficiency matters even more for him.
I completely disagree with you on that point. While some people like High end players and Streamers do care of their efficiency, people that haven't got much time to play can never get even close to players that play the game 10h/day. So why would they try to something like that. My point is next.
Lets say I have 20 minutes per day to play the game. If I play as efficient as I can I could finish 2 runs in ACT3 Alkaizer mode.
But then Again, if I'm not that efficient I will finish those same 2 runs in 23minutes.
Every man, that has 20 also has 23 minutes to play the game. I would say it is more important to him to do 2 runs and have more fun than to complete 2 runs efficient, because he would for sure not have the time to play another run. Usually people do a run or 2 per day to relax, so it makes more sense to play a bit higher MP.
Than again for someone that plays 10h/day 1.5minutes longer run(from 10 to 11.5 minute) sums up to 8 runs per day. That is too many elites.
At least that is the way I look at things.
But if I have a free weekend and play for a couple of hours, I could never do something like ~5 hours of Alkaizer runs with "max efficiency". I'd feel like a robot.
To build on this - if we know MP1 is the sweet spot I know I won't need to have 180+k dps on my barb, I can drop him to a comfortable 120k and wear full IK set, maybe a few pieces with MF that arent BIS but get me to my cap since im not paragon 100 yet, and I'm still blowing through elites nearly one shotting them - keeping my fury up all the time and getting more sprint uptime. Win/Win/Win
There is no effect. The experience bonus only applies to level 60 (paragon) characters in Inferno.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/8414570/
Damn, doesn't really help me.