facepalm yourself for somehow passing high school without the knowledge of what width is. you and the rest of the retards arguing. i shouldnt of replied considering only a complete tard would argue the meaning of width in the first place. like i said before a WALL is far different then a box. rectangle does not = box.
geometry 101:
By the English Definition, width can be any side you pick.
That is all the above image shows.
The mathematical definition of width,
The width of a box is the horizontal distance from side to side (usually defined to be greater than the depth, the horizontal distance from front to back).
The mathematical definition of depth,
The depth of a box is the horizontal distance from front to back (usually not necessarily defined to be smaller than the width, the horizontal distance from side to side).
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your widening the screen not the width of the TV, the width of the TV is still the same as the wall.
if you just trolled me idc, i just want to clerify before anyone posts what you say as an example.
NONONONONONO! by your definition you would be lengthening the screen
Yup,
Widening 1 | noun | an increase in width
2 | noun | a part of a road that has been widened to allow cars to pass or park 3 | noun | the act of making something wider
I think the alleged Retards just won this thread.
I wonder what that says about D3maniac?
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Okay, been lurking on the site for a while. Somehow this thread made me register and post. Sorry if this is a bit too long.
Everybody look to the wall nearest you. How wide is it? Now how thick is it? The rune isn't "Doubles the width of the wall (when looking down at a vertically placed wall)" The only way that they can use a word like width in the rune description is if it is relative to the Witch Doctor, otherwise it changes depending on how the wall is placed. Also, if the AI is intelligent enough to take the most efficient route around the wall then you place it right in front of them, so that the only efficient route is to follow it around. As far as it being "broken" if it can't be walked through due to the lack of a cooldown, for all we know it has an exorbitant mana cost, meaning you can't just keep a permanent barrier up. Although I will concede that this is speculation, in fact since we haven't actually seen the wall since the original unveiling I will drop that skill, I just wanted to bring those points up.
As far as a "petless" Witch Doctor build. I may need some clarification on this, as I am unsure if the two new passives revealed at Blizzcon count as "petless." However, if you take both of those (Spawning Zombie Dogs and chance of spawning fetishes on kill, although I don't remember the exact details) then almost any build can work.
How about;
Haunt - Good damage over time ability, 3 up at a time and hops from dead enemies to live ones
Poison Dart - Good damage with a poison DoT afterward
Grasp of the Dead - A snare that does damage, awesome in my book
Spirit Walk - Everybody loves a good escape maneuver
Horrify - For those moments when things get a little too hairy
Acid Cloud - Drop this on top of Grasp of the Dead for lots of fun
And then you have 1 free passive spot, to use as you choose, plus I didn't even bother using any rune effects. Sure, it's a fairly slow killing skill set, with a lot of the damage coming from damage over time abilities, but with the two passives you suddenly have pets, without even bothering to use the pet skills. However if you prefer not to take those into account, or if you want a petless build without using those passives, then I'll take a deeper look and see what I can come up with.
By the English Definition, width can be any side you pick.
The mathematical definition of width,
The width of a box is the horizontal distance from side to side (usually defined to be greater than the depth, the horizontal distance from front to back).
The mathematical definition of depth,
The depth of a box is the horizontal distance from front to back (usually not necessarily defined to be smaller than the width, the horizontal distance from side to side).
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the picture i showed you is looking at it from two angles, and still it is the width. again you and the rest of the 8th graders need to learn what width is because it is FAR from relative to a wall. your just recycling the same info that ive already disproved. honestly your arguing just to argue, you dont REALLY believe that do you? if someone asked you what the width was of a wall. 'idk that term is relative' would be your reponse? rofl
your widening the screen not the width of the TV, the width of the TV is still the same as the wall.
if you just trolled me idc, i just want to clerify before anyone posts what you say as an example.
NONONONONONO! by your definition you would be lengthening the screen
Yup,
Widening 1 | noun | an increase in width
2 | noun | a part of a road that has been widened to allow cars to pass or park 3 | noun | the act of making something wider
I think the alleged Retards just won this thread.
I wonder what that says about D3maniac?
it is increasing the width. of the SCREEN. not the width of the TELEVISION. two COMPLETELY different things. holy shit you kids are morons to the infinite degree.
the picture i showed you is looking at it from two angles, and still it is the width. again you and the rest of the 8th graders need to learn what width is because it is FAR from relative to a wall. your just recycling the same info that ive already disproved. honestly your arguing just to argue, you dont REALLY believe that do you? if someone asked you what the width was of a wall. 'idk that term is relative' would be your reponse? rofl
I believe that you are the one who is actually acting like an "8th grader". You are the first person to actually resort to insults to prove a point. Your stubbornness to back down from a flawed argument shows everyone in this thread the actual person who is 12 years old (if you are developmentally challenged: usually people in grade 8 are 12-13).
Thank you for your time and have a good day.
By the English Definition, width can be any side you pick.
The mathematical definition of width,
The width of a box is the horizontal distance from side to side (usually defined to be greater than the depth, the horizontal distance from front to back).
The mathematical definition of depth,
The depth of a box is the horizontal distance from front to back (usually not necessarily defined to be smaller than the width, the horizontal distance from side to side).
the picture i showed you is looking at it from two angles, and still it is the width. again you and the rest of the 8th graders need to learn what width is because it is FAR from relative to a wall. your just recycling the same info that ive already disproved. honestly your arguing just to argue, you dont REALLY believe that do you? if someone asked you what the width was of a wall. 'idk that term is relative' would be your reponse? rofl
Idc what that sorry picture shows.
Disproved? You disproved mathematical definitions!?!? And with only a google pic,that is an impressive feat. You will likely get the Noble Prize for that.
Depth, Height, and Width are infinitely better descriptive measurements than Height, Width, Length.
Which is why those terms are outdated. For example, the "WIDESCREEN TV".
You are merely assuming blizzard is using Height, Width, Length. And then based on that, assuming the Length is the longer side.
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Disproved? You disproved mathematical definitions!?!? And with only a google pic,that is an impressive feat. You will likely get the Noble Prize for that.
Depth, Height, and Width are infinitely better descriptive measurements than Height, Width, Length.
Which is why those terms are outdated. For example, the "WIDESCREEN TV".
i already replied to the widescreen. you and that other guy are idiots. complete idiots. WIDENING THE SCREEN. not the television itself. your example just facepalmed yourself.
disproved mathematical definitions? are you high still? disproved how the way your looking at it is wrong, not the definition. looking at this wall is not relative, its always standing up strait, so your "definition" doesnt work.
the picture i showed you is looking at it from two angles, and still it is the width. again you and the rest of the 8th graders need to learn what width is because it is FAR from relative to a wall. your just recycling the same info that ive already disproved. honestly your arguing just to argue, you dont REALLY believe that do you? if someone asked you what the width was of a wall. 'idk that term is relative' would be your reponse? rofl
I believe that you are the one who is actually acting like an "8th grader". You are the first person to actually resort to insults to prove a point. Your stubbornness to back down from a flawed argument shows everyone in this thread the actual person who is 12 years old (if you are developmentally challenged: usually people in grade 8 are 12-13).
Thank you for your time and have a good day.
i didnt use insults to prove anything, i used logic, common sense, and google. the insults were because people who are retarded and think they are right while arguing with illogical reasoning need to be told they are retarded. if i was 100% polite it wouldnt matter, these couple tards arguing about what "width" is would still not know ass to elbows what it really is. clearly from their responses. i proved my point over and over and they've finally resorted to recycling what they've already said.
the picture i showed you is looking at it from two angles, and still it is the width. again you and the rest of the 8th graders need to learn what width is because it is FAR from relative to a wall. your just recycling the same info that ive already disproved. honestly your arguing just to argue, you dont REALLY believe that do you? if someone asked you what the width was of a wall. 'idk that term is relative' would be your reponse? rofl
http://thinkmath.edc.org/index.php/Length,_width,_height,_depth
You are using obscenely narrow definitions for these words. If you were to refer to the longest side of the wall as the length, then yes, the shorter side would be the width, but if you were to refer to longer side as the width, then the shorter side would be the depth, it is completely relative and you have to understand that. With that in mind, further understanding of zombie wall and it's rune require some speculation AKA 'common sense.' Based on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT0YEsj249M, nothing can pass through the wall(unless they can attack and break it) and, as such, increasing the depth of the wall would have very little effect even if they could break through, so I am assuming that the wall will double the length of it's longest side. YUMMY EVIDENCE YOU LOVE EVIDENCE DON'T YOU D3MANIAC!?!?!
Could we please drop the argument about width vs length <_<?
fine. i think its winnable and its not "relative" but they do so whatever.
about your build. i think you need zombie wall (i never said it wasnt good :P) regardless of it being able to be walked through or not. i think its a must have if you have zero pets. good damage and can slow them down with no CD. if your going to be non stop killing you need some sort of non CD based CC type spell. IMO
so sub out confusion, since its CD is sooo long. and rune zombie wall for slow. and then your build MAY be able to stand up in inferno. still need defense gear and shield i think
Could we please drop the argument about width vs length <_<?
I would except it is actually quite important to the discussion because we have to speculate on the utilities of the WD's abilities because understanding the functionality helps us make educated guesses as to how builds will actually play out in-game instead of broadly stating that the only good strategy is using pets because the WD lacks utility.
This is so pointless. Blizzard has stated they want all builds to be viable yes? If indeed WD's MUST use pets for Inferno in the current implementation (which I HIGHLY doubt) -they will change it so that is not the case-.
Besides, all you have is a calculator build. Get to Inferno on your WD and come back with actual proof.
P.S. You didn't include Crimson Soul Harvest which is a ridiculous survival ability for the WD.
Basically they want all types of builds to be viable, not just WoW cookie-cutter builds.
Some examples:
-Melee Wizard
-Melee DH
-Petless WD
Those are just a few obvious ones that come to mind. But yah they want people to make a build that is fun for them, so you won't need pets to be successful in Inferno.
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One is never hurt by being given additional choices, only by taking them away. A QUADRILLION MAGIC FIND is worthless if you can't kill shit!
This is so pointless. Blizzard has stated they want all builds to be viable yes? If indeed WD's MUST use pets for Inferno in the current implementation (which I HIGHLY doubt) -they will change it so that is not the case-.
Besides, all you have is a calculator build. Get to Inferno on your WD and come back with actual proof.
P.S. You didn't include Crimson Soul Harvest which is a ridiculous survival ability for the WD.
I made all three of those points back on the first page. Unfortunately for us, they aren't arguments in our dear, omnipotent OP's eyes.
the insults were because people who are retarded and think they are right while arguing with illogical reasoning need to be told they are retarded.
OMG...the irony...it's so delicious! Om nom nom. Thinking before you type (which clearly isn't your strong suit based on the 3 pages that have popped up in this thread since I was last on) might be something for you to consider you know...at some point.
if someone asked you what the width was of a wall. 'idk that term is relative' would be your reponse? rofl
Seems this whole arguement boils down to perception and the use of Width vs Depth.
What I perceive is that the rune doubles the width from 3 --- to 6 ---|---
IF it said double the depth then I would imagine a line of 3 --- doubled to 6 ===
However, this is my opinion based upon my interpretation of the words and my perception of how the skill will be cast in relation to the caster.
Perception and the interchangable nature of the English language means this may well be an 'unwinable' arguement
That is the logical way to look at it, at least from my opinion. However, I am not going to discount either, as they are both possible.
On the other hand, D3maniac's opinion is extremely biased, and thus he claims it HAS to be "===".
He is making a baseless assumption, and then claiming it as evidence to support his views.
All of which is actually completely irrelevant, as Wall of Zombies + Slow is still a great defensive ability.
However, to consider things like that would be counter productive to his argument, so he ignores it.
If you look at the video which is posted earlier in the thread.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT0YEsj249M)
One of the very last gets through it before he gets his head crushed. It doesn't block him from getting through.
I'm quite sure I'll be playing a non-pet build for inferno. My barbarian will make it through hardcore with its reckless type of build and so will a damn non-pet Witch Doctor.
I feel a bit sad reading D3Manic2012 posts. The insults. There is no reason for this type of behavior while just discussing builds. Cheer up and enjoy the discussion.
The video is pretty poor, but it does look like one guy makes it through. Though, it could be some of the ragdoll physics kicking in.
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edit: so now you are disregarding your own "definition" wow get you sh*t straight sir.
By the English Definition, width can be any side you pick.
That is all the above image shows.
The mathematical definition of width,
The width of a box is the horizontal distance from side to side (usually defined to be greater than the depth, the horizontal distance from front to back).
The mathematical definition of depth,
The depth of a box is the horizontal distance from front to back (usually not necessarily defined to be smaller than the width, the horizontal distance from side to side).
A QUADRILLION MAGIC FIND is worthless if you can't kill shit!
Yup,
Widening
1 | noun | an increase in width
2 | noun | a part of a road that has been widened to allow cars to pass or park
3 | noun | the act of making something wider
I think the alleged Retards just won this thread.
I wonder what that says about D3maniac?
A QUADRILLION MAGIC FIND is worthless if you can't kill shit!
Everybody look to the wall nearest you. How wide is it? Now how thick is it? The rune isn't "Doubles the width of the wall (when looking down at a vertically placed wall)" The only way that they can use a word like width in the rune description is if it is relative to the Witch Doctor, otherwise it changes depending on how the wall is placed. Also, if the AI is intelligent enough to take the most efficient route around the wall then you place it right in front of them, so that the only efficient route is to follow it around. As far as it being "broken" if it can't be walked through due to the lack of a cooldown, for all we know it has an exorbitant mana cost, meaning you can't just keep a permanent barrier up. Although I will concede that this is speculation, in fact since we haven't actually seen the wall since the original unveiling I will drop that skill, I just wanted to bring those points up.
As far as a "petless" Witch Doctor build. I may need some clarification on this, as I am unsure if the two new passives revealed at Blizzcon count as "petless." However, if you take both of those (Spawning Zombie Dogs and chance of spawning fetishes on kill, although I don't remember the exact details) then almost any build can work.
How about;
Haunt - Good damage over time ability, 3 up at a time and hops from dead enemies to live ones
Poison Dart - Good damage with a poison DoT afterward
Grasp of the Dead - A snare that does damage, awesome in my book
Spirit Walk - Everybody loves a good escape maneuver
Horrify - For those moments when things get a little too hairy
Acid Cloud - Drop this on top of Grasp of the Dead for lots of fun
And then you have 1 free passive spot, to use as you choose, plus I didn't even bother using any rune effects. Sure, it's a fairly slow killing skill set, with a lot of the damage coming from damage over time abilities, but with the two passives you suddenly have pets, without even bothering to use the pet skills. However if you prefer not to take those into account, or if you want a petless build without using those passives, then I'll take a deeper look and see what I can come up with.
Sorry if this ran a little long.
By the English Definition, width can be any side you pick.
The mathematical definition of width,
The width of a box is the horizontal distance from side to side (usually defined to be greater than the depth, the horizontal distance from front to back).
The mathematical definition of depth,
The depth of a box is the horizontal distance from front to back (usually not necessarily defined to be smaller than the width, the horizontal distance from side to side).
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the picture i showed you is looking at it from two angles, and still it is the width. again you and the rest of the 8th graders need to learn what width is because it is FAR from relative to a wall. your just recycling the same info that ive already disproved. honestly your arguing just to argue, you dont REALLY believe that do you? if someone asked you what the width was of a wall. 'idk that term is relative' would be your reponse? rofl
it is increasing the width. of the SCREEN. not the width of the TELEVISION. two COMPLETELY different things. holy shit you kids are morons to the infinite degree.
I believe that you are the one who is actually acting like an "8th grader". You are the first person to actually resort to insults to prove a point. Your stubbornness to back down from a flawed argument shows everyone in this thread the actual person who is 12 years old (if you are developmentally challenged: usually people in grade 8 are 12-13).
Thank you for your time and have a good day.
Idc what that sorry picture shows.
Disproved? You disproved mathematical definitions!?!? And with only a google pic,that is an impressive feat. You will likely get the Noble Prize for that.
Depth, Height, and Width are infinitely better descriptive measurements than Height, Width, Length.
Which is why those terms are outdated. For example, the "WIDESCREEN TV".
You are merely assuming blizzard is using Height, Width, Length. And then based on that, assuming the Length is the longer side.
A QUADRILLION MAGIC FIND is worthless if you can't kill shit!
i already replied to the widescreen. you and that other guy are idiots. complete idiots. WIDENING THE SCREEN. not the television itself. your example just facepalmed yourself.
disproved mathematical definitions? are you high still? disproved how the way your looking at it is wrong, not the definition. looking at this wall is not relative, its always standing up strait, so your "definition" doesnt work.
i didnt use insults to prove anything, i used logic, common sense, and google. the insults were because people who are retarded and think they are right while arguing with illogical reasoning need to be told they are retarded. if i was 100% polite it wouldnt matter, these couple tards arguing about what "width" is would still not know ass to elbows what it really is. clearly from their responses. i proved my point over and over and they've finally resorted to recycling what they've already said.
You are using obscenely narrow definitions for these words. If you were to refer to the longest side of the wall as the length, then yes, the shorter side would be the width, but if you were to refer to longer side as the width, then the shorter side would be the depth, it is completely relative and you have to understand that. With that in mind, further understanding of zombie wall and it's rune require some speculation AKA 'common sense.' Based on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT0YEsj249M, nothing can pass through the wall(unless they can attack and break it) and, as such, increasing the depth of the wall would have very little effect even if they could break through, so I am assuming that the wall will double the length of it's longest side. YUMMY EVIDENCE YOU LOVE EVIDENCE DON'T YOU D3MANIAC!?!?!
fine. i think its winnable and its not "relative" but they do so whatever.
about your build. i think you need zombie wall (i never said it wasnt good :P) regardless of it being able to be walked through or not. i think its a must have if you have zero pets. good damage and can slow them down with no CD. if your going to be non stop killing you need some sort of non CD based CC type spell. IMO
so sub out confusion, since its CD is sooo long. and rune zombie wall for slow. and then your build MAY be able to stand up in inferno. still need defense gear and shield i think
Besides, all you have is a calculator build. Get to Inferno on your WD and come back with actual proof.
P.S. You didn't include Crimson Soul Harvest which is a ridiculous survival ability for the WD.
Basically they want all types of builds to be viable, not just WoW cookie-cutter builds.
Some examples:
-Melee Wizard
-Melee DH
-Petless WD
Those are just a few obvious ones that come to mind. But yah they want people to make a build that is fun for them, so you won't need pets to be successful in Inferno.
A QUADRILLION MAGIC FIND is worthless if you can't kill shit!
I made all three of those points back on the first page. Unfortunately for us, they aren't arguments in our dear, omnipotent OP's eyes.
Have a +1.
OMG...the irony...it's so delicious! Om nom nom. Thinking before you type (which clearly isn't your strong suit based on the 3 pages that have popped up in this thread since I was last on) might be something for you to consider you know...at some point.
That is the logical way to look at it, at least from my opinion. However, I am not going to discount either, as they are both possible.
On the other hand, D3maniac's opinion is extremely biased, and thus he claims it HAS to be "===".
He is making a baseless assumption, and then claiming it as evidence to support his views.
All of which is actually completely irrelevant, as Wall of Zombies + Slow is still a great defensive ability.
However, to consider things like that would be counter productive to his argument, so he ignores it.
The video is pretty poor, but it does look like one guy makes it through. Though, it could be some of the ragdoll physics kicking in.
A QUADRILLION MAGIC FIND is worthless if you can't kill shit!