The computer will be used primarly (almost only) for gaming, as I already have a decent computer (for gaming and other things). I may do some video editing on my new computer as well, but am not sure of that yet.
What would you suggest, and why?
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trust me dude, i am running the intel i7-2600K and it's amazing. it's very fast and i run D3 max everything without ANY problems along wtih the perk of loading the game super quick. of course it's accompanied with a 6870 but D3 is a processor heavy game so go for the i7 !
Well, I plan on getting 2 GTX 570s and also a SSD to load the game on to, so I don't think loading the game will be too much of an issue with either processor.
I could be wrong.
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First, if you are going to spend that much on a computer, you just as well go with the better processor (Intel). Either way, unless you are going to be rendering some large videos, you won't notice a difference.
Second, with Ivy Bridge coming out in Q2 2012, you'll have a good upgrade route by going with a Gen 3 motherboard. Essentially, with the right motherboard you can upgrade to the newest Ivy Bridge processor with minimal expense (cost of processor). Where as with AMD...who knows what they are doing.
And yes it's better than the AMD processor. It's basically i7 2600k without hyper-threading (which does not matter much in games since they aren't very multi-thread-optimized.).
Ahh, nice, thanks for that. So how much will the difference between 6 cores and 4 cores actually make?
I saw someone mention that a intel processor will last longer (several years) whereas an AMD might crap out after a couple years... that may be another reason to go intel over AMD.
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There will be no difference at all in Diablo3. Im probably gonna run D3 on my Q6600 and 8800Ultra just as good as you on your new pc.
Yea, I understand that Diablo 3 isn't going to be the most demanding game out there. But when would the difference in quad vs. six core processor be noticable -- what would the benefit of having the six core vs. the quad core be?
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If you're spending 2K-3K on a new pc, get the i7 2600K. Even thought it's real overkill for any pc game atm...even BF3. The best cpu for a good price is the i5 2500K. The only difference between these i5 and i7 is that the i7 has twice (8 where i5 is only 4) the hyperthreading capability...which no game require...you only need that much when doin big 3D rendering or something, which is basically just multiple tasks at once.
If you're spending 2K-3K on a new pc, get the i7 2600K. Even thought it's real overkill for any pc game atm...even BF3. The best cpu for a good price is the i5 2500K. The only difference between these i5 and i7 is that the i7 has twice (8 where i5 is only 4) the hyperthreading capability...which no game require...you only need that much when doin big 3D rendering or something, which is basically just multiple tasks at once.
What if you were to run more than one game at a time on a single pc, would the additional hyperthreading capability be beneficial then?
The only rendering I do (and am not totally sure this is the game thing), is through Sony Vegas when I edit videos of gameplay. Matter much?
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If you're spending 2K-3K on a new pc, get the i7 2600K. Even thought it's real overkill for any pc game atm...even BF3. The best cpu for a good price is the i5 2500K. The only difference between these i5 and i7 is that the i7 has twice (8 where i5 is only 4) the hyperthreading capability...which no game require...you only need that much when doin big 3D rendering or something, which is basically just multiple tasks at once.
What if you were to run more than one game at a time on a single pc, would the additional hyperthreading capability be beneficial then?
Mmm, I don't see why you'll want to...to answer your question: Yes I guess, I'm not a hardware guru, but I think so. It just seems weird, but games are in fact software, like 2 3D rendering programs running at the same time, so yeah it would help.
But if you only have one monitor, and you need to switch between games, hence not playing both at the same time, then it wouldn't need as much processing power as playing two games at the same time on the same pc but on 2 monitors...I think. haha.
The only rendering I do (and am not totally sure this is the game thing), is through Sony Vegas when I edit videos of gameplay. Matter much?
Well if it is anything like the youtube vids, then no. But I know nothing about video editing, but my common sense say only if the vids are 1080p or higher, you might require more processing power.
Video rendering is one of the things that will take advantage of hyperthreading since it can utilize all the cores. Regardless if it's 1080p or lower it will still be a difference in speed, maybe not super super huge but you will have faster rendering with the 2600k. It's your choice if you want to pay the extra $ for it.
First, if you are going to spend that much on a computer, you just as well go with the better processor (Intel). Either way, unless you are going to be rendering some large videos, you won't notice a difference.
Second, with Ivy Bridge coming out in Q2 2012, you'll have a good upgrade route by going with a Gen 3 motherboard. Essentially, with the right motherboard you can upgrade to the newest Ivy Bridge processor with minimal expense (cost of processor). Where as with AMD...who knows what they are doing.
Just curious, you're talking about any motherboard with an LGA 1155 socket? I've been thinking about upgrading my PC (it's about 4 1/2 yrs old) and I'm gonna have to change my mobo to accommodate the new components I'll want.
If you're spending 2K-3K on a new pc, get the i7 2600K. Even thought it's real overkill for any pc game atm...even BF3. The best cpu for a good price is the i5 2500K. The only difference between these i5 and i7 is that the i7 has twice (8 where i5 is only 4) the hyperthreading capability...which no game require...you only need that much when doin big 3D rendering or something, which is basically just multiple tasks at once.
What if you were to run more than one game at a time on a single pc, would the additional hyperthreading capability be beneficial then?
The only rendering I do (and am not totally sure this is the game thing), is through Sony Vegas when I edit videos of gameplay. Matter much?
When running multiple games, they'll surely use the four physical cores (if they are programmed to use multiple cores), however very very few games are written to use the extra four virtual cores that Hyperthreading gets you. Let's see...flight sims maybe? So for almost all games, no they won't use the virtual cores. I know Sony Vegas does use those virtual cores, but I'm not sure what version you have and when they actually programmed that into the app. But let's be honest, there isn't a game out there that will max out all four cores of an i7 or i5. You could probably count the number of games that can actually use four physical cores on two hands.
So as everyone is saying, if you are spending 2-3k on a computer, you can't go wrong with either processor as both are solid. Perhaps games will utilize hyperthreading down the road. For people with "normal" budgets (say 1k-1.5k), I'd say the i5 is a no-brainer.
First, if you are going to spend that much on a computer, you just as well go with the better processor (Intel). Either way, unless you are going to be rendering some large videos, you won't notice a difference.
Second, with Ivy Bridge coming out in Q2 2012, you'll have a good upgrade route by going with a Gen 3 motherboard. Essentially, with the right motherboard you can upgrade to the newest Ivy Bridge processor with minimal expense (cost of processor). Where as with AMD...who knows what they are doing.
Just curious, you're talking about any motherboard with an LGA 1155 socket? I've been thinking about upgrading my PC (it's about 4 1/2 yrs old) and I'm gonna have to change my mobo to accommodate the new components I'll want.
I'm not sure about ANY motherboard with an LGA 1155 socket. Unless it specifically has Gen3 as part of the motherboard name, it will probably need a bios update to utilize the new ivy bridge. For example http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131730R
It isn't a Gen3 motherboard, however they've already released a bios update that allows you to simply drop in an Ivy Bridge processor when they come out.
I'm looking to upgrade my current PC (q6600 processor, 9800gt 512mb video card, 4gb ram) and get these components, but I don't know which mobo to go with....
Edit: I saw this (http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131791) motherboard, which looks like it's bad ass, but it's more than I wanted to spend. *frowny face*
I'm looking to upgrade my current PC (q6600 processor, 9800gt 512mb video card, 4gb ram) and get these components, but I don't know which mobo to go with....
CPU - perfect
Fan - I've heard the cooler is good, but can be loud. Check out the CoolerMaster 212 Plus http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835103065
It'll get your processor to 4.5 GHz easily. And it's quiet and a bit cheaper.
RAM - I'd probably go with 1600MHz. You just won't notice the difference with anything higher and it'll save you a bit of cash http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231314
GPU - And then you can put that extra cash into a slightly better video card http://www.newegg.co...&Tpk=asus%20570
Both are 570s, but the Asus will be quieter and slightly faster.
If you were looking to save a bit more money yet not sacrifice much performance, you could go with an AMD 6950 or an Nvidia 560Ti. Of course they aren't QUITE as good as the 570, but are close. And it'll save you $80-$100, depending upon the brand, model, etc. I don't want to talk you out of the 570, because it's a great card. Just sharing what I thought through before I purchased my card. I ended up getting an MSI 6950, simply because I don't play THAT many computer games, and the ones I do aren't very GPU taxing (WoW, D3, SC2, Aoe3, etc etc).
PSU - you didn't mention what power supply you have. It may be something you'll want to upgrade as well, given the higher power requirements. As long as you have a good 650W or higher you'll be fine.
Edit: I saw this (http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131791) motherboard, which looks like it's bad ass, but it's more than I wanted to spend. *frowny face*
Ha! Yikes. Check out that Asus I linked to earlier http://www.newegg.co...8-v+pro&x=0&y=0
Solid board, will let you overclock the i5 and, if you so choose, will work with the Ivy Bridge processors. At this point it should come with the required bios version of at least 0902 for the Ivy.
You could also go with a Gen3 version http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131790
But really the only difference between the two (aside from price) is the Gen3 supports PCI-Express 3.0. But I don't foresee GPU bandwidth being a problem for quite some time. So spending the extra $40 would be a personal choice.
I'm looking to upgrade my current PC (q6600 processor, 9800gt 512mb video card, 4gb ram) and get these components, but I don't know which mobo to go with....
Edit: I saw this (http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131791) motherboard, which looks like it's bad ass, but it's more than I wanted to spend. *frowny face*
Because that RipJaw RAM you got there's frequency is 2133MHz, you'll have to overclock the dimms of that mobo from the default 1600MHz to 2133MHz...you can do this and spare the extra cash for getting a more expensive mobo which's default dimm frequency is at least 1866MHz, BUT I personally won't overclock from a default of 1600 to 2133MHz, that's a big jump. I'd rather but these RAM, which's default frequency is 1866MHz and OC. But it's only $10 cheaper.
I'm looking to upgrade my current PC (q6600 processor, 9800gt 512mb video card, 4gb ram) and get these components, but I don't know which mobo to go with....
CPU - perfect
Fan - I've heard the cooler is good, but can be loud. Check out the CoolerMaster 212 Plus http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835103065
It'll get your processor to 4.5 GHz easily. And it's quiet and a bit cheaper.
RAM - I'd probably go with 1600MHz. You just won't notice the difference with anything higher and it'll save you a bit of cash http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231314
GPU - And then you can put that extra cash into a slightly better video card http://www.newegg.co...&Tpk=asus%20570
Both are 570s, but the Asus will be quieter and slightly faster.
If you were looking to save a bit more money yet not sacrifice much performance, you could go with an AMD 6950 or an Nvidia 560Ti. Of course they aren't QUITE as good as the 570, but are close. And it'll save you $80-$100, depending upon the brand, model, etc. I don't want to talk you out of the 570, because it's a great card. Just sharing what I thought through before I purchased my card. I ended up getting an MSI 6950, simply because I don't play THAT many computer games, and the ones I do aren't very GPU taxing (WoW, D3, SC2, Aoe3, etc etc).
PSU - you didn't mention what power supply you have. It may be something you'll want to upgrade as well, given the higher power requirements. As long as you have a good 650W or higher you'll be fine.
Edit: I saw this (http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131791) motherboard, which looks like it's bad ass, but it's more than I wanted to spend. *frowny face*
Ha! Yikes. Check out that Asus I linked to earlier http://www.newegg.co...8-v+pro&x=0&y=0
Solid board, will let you overclock the i5 and, if you so choose, will work with the Ivy Bridge processors. At this point it should come with the required bios version of at least 0902 for the Ivy.
You could also go with a Gen3 version http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131790
But really the only difference between the two (aside from price) is the Gen3 supports PCI-Express 3.0. But I don't foresee GPU bandwidth being a problem for quite some time. So spending the extra $40 would be a personal choice.
If I won't be able to tell the difference between the 2133 and the 1600 RAM, then I'll go with this (http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231358). I wanted 12gigs of RAM anyways, but the 2133 stuff was a lil' too expensive for 3x 4gig sticks.
This mobo (http://www.newegg.co...#scrollFullInfo) looks pretty good. Wish it was about $50 less (I know the other board is like $30 less, but it's open box & I don't trust that).
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I originally planned on getting:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103913&Tpk=AMD%20HDE00ZFBGRBOX
but now am thinking maybe I should go the extra mile and get:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070
The computer will be used primarly (almost only) for gaming, as I already have a decent computer (for gaming and other things). I may do some video editing on my new computer as well, but am not sure of that yet.
What would you suggest, and why?
I could be wrong.
First, if you are going to spend that much on a computer, you just as well go with the better processor (Intel). Either way, unless you are going to be rendering some large videos, you won't notice a difference.
Second, with Ivy Bridge coming out in Q2 2012, you'll have a good upgrade route by going with a Gen 3 motherboard. Essentially, with the right motherboard you can upgrade to the newest Ivy Bridge processor with minimal expense (cost of processor). Where as with AMD...who knows what they are doing.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5581941&CatId=4731
This is cheaper than the AMD processor I planned on getting, but would it be better?
Personally I kinda feel like going AMD or core i7...nothing in between.
That is the old generation. This is the "new" i5: http://www.tigerdire...3161&CatId=6988
And yes it's better than the AMD processor. It's basically i7 2600k without hyper-threading (which does not matter much in games since they aren't very multi-thread-optimized.).
I saw someone mention that a intel processor will last longer (several years) whereas an AMD might crap out after a couple years... that may be another reason to go intel over AMD.
Yea, I understand that Diablo 3 isn't going to be the most demanding game out there. But when would the difference in quad vs. six core processor be noticable -- what would the benefit of having the six core vs. the quad core be?
I'm assuming that the 20(i5) to 120(i7) dollar price difference is worth it.
Am I right?
What if you were to run more than one game at a time on a single pc, would the additional hyperthreading capability be beneficial then?
The only rendering I do (and am not totally sure this is the game thing), is through Sony Vegas when I edit videos of gameplay. Matter much?
Mmm, I don't see why you'll want to...to answer your question: Yes I guess, I'm not a hardware guru, but I think so. It just seems weird, but games are in fact software, like 2 3D rendering programs running at the same time, so yeah it would help.
But if you only have one monitor, and you need to switch between games, hence not playing both at the same time, then it wouldn't need as much processing power as playing two games at the same time on the same pc but on 2 monitors...I think. haha.
Well if it is anything like the youtube vids, then no. But I know nothing about video editing, but my common sense say only if the vids are 1080p or higher, you might require more processing power.
Just curious, you're talking about any motherboard with an LGA 1155 socket? I've been thinking about upgrading my PC (it's about 4 1/2 yrs old) and I'm gonna have to change my mobo to accommodate the new components I'll want.
When running multiple games, they'll surely use the four physical cores (if they are programmed to use multiple cores), however very very few games are written to use the extra four virtual cores that Hyperthreading gets you. Let's see...flight sims maybe? So for almost all games, no they won't use the virtual cores. I know Sony Vegas does use those virtual cores, but I'm not sure what version you have and when they actually programmed that into the app. But let's be honest, there isn't a game out there that will max out all four cores of an i7 or i5. You could probably count the number of games that can actually use four physical cores on two hands.
So as everyone is saying, if you are spending 2-3k on a computer, you can't go wrong with either processor as both are solid. Perhaps games will utilize hyperthreading down the road. For people with "normal" budgets (say 1k-1.5k), I'd say the i5 is a no-brainer.
I'm not sure about ANY motherboard with an LGA 1155 socket. Unless it specifically has Gen3 as part of the motherboard name, it will probably need a bios update to utilize the new ivy bridge. For example http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131730R
It isn't a Gen3 motherboard, however they've already released a bios update that allows you to simply drop in an Ivy Bridge processor when they come out.
CPU - http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115072
Fan - http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835118223
RAM - http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231468
Video Card - http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130593
Edit: I saw this (http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131791) motherboard, which looks like it's bad ass, but it's more than I wanted to spend. *frowny face*
CPU - perfect
Fan - I've heard the cooler is good, but can be loud. Check out the CoolerMaster 212 Plus http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835103065
It'll get your processor to 4.5 GHz easily. And it's quiet and a bit cheaper.
RAM - I'd probably go with 1600MHz. You just won't notice the difference with anything higher and it'll save you a bit of cash http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231314
GPU - And then you can put that extra cash into a slightly better video card
http://www.newegg.co...&Tpk=asus%20570
Both are 570s, but the Asus will be quieter and slightly faster.
If you were looking to save a bit more money yet not sacrifice much performance, you could go with an AMD 6950 or an Nvidia 560Ti. Of course they aren't QUITE as good as the 570, but are close. And it'll save you $80-$100, depending upon the brand, model, etc. I don't want to talk you out of the 570, because it's a great card. Just sharing what I thought through before I purchased my card. I ended up getting an MSI 6950, simply because I don't play THAT many computer games, and the ones I do aren't very GPU taxing (WoW, D3, SC2, Aoe3, etc etc).
PSU - you didn't mention what power supply you have. It may be something you'll want to upgrade as well, given the higher power requirements. As long as you have a good 650W or higher you'll be fine.
Ha! Yikes. Check out that Asus I linked to earlier http://www.newegg.co...8-v+pro&x=0&y=0
Solid board, will let you overclock the i5 and, if you so choose, will work with the Ivy Bridge processors. At this point it should come with the required bios version of at least 0902 for the Ivy.
You could also go with a Gen3 version http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131790
But really the only difference between the two (aside from price) is the Gen3 supports PCI-Express 3.0. But I don't foresee GPU bandwidth being a problem for quite some time. So spending the extra $40 would be a personal choice.
Because that RipJaw RAM you got there's frequency is 2133MHz, you'll have to overclock the dimms of that mobo from the default 1600MHz to 2133MHz...you can do this and spare the extra cash for getting a more expensive mobo which's default dimm frequency is at least 1866MHz, BUT I personally won't overclock from a default of 1600 to 2133MHz, that's a big jump. I'd rather but these RAM, which's default frequency is 1866MHz and OC. But it's only $10 cheaper.
I didn't mention the PSU because I've already got this http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139006 that I bought maybe 6 months ago.
What about this fan (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103046)? Or is it just overkill. The other one you linked looks pretty good too, just figured I'd ask.
If I won't be able to tell the difference between the 2133 and the 1600 RAM, then I'll go with this (http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231358). I wanted 12gigs of RAM anyways, but the 2133 stuff was a lil' too expensive for 3x 4gig sticks.
The EVGA card (http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130593) has a better rating than the ASUS one (http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814121432). Also, people are commenting that the ASUS 5 series cards are having issues when it comes to overclocking. I'm not really sure which to go with... :/
This mobo (http://www.newegg.co...#scrollFullInfo) looks pretty good. Wish it was about $50 less (I know the other board is like $30 less, but it's open box & I don't trust that).