Erm... you are going a bit too far sir. Killing a game just by loot control? Dupes did indeed kill the economy and I really wish Blizz finds a way to prevent anyway to dupes items...
That's why I'm not against the BoP ... however! if they find a way to control loot and prevent duping then of course I'll prefer that to BoP and BoE items.
You could kill a boss 1,000 times and not find a soj easily you realize that with a bind system you wouldn't ever collect uber gear unless you played all day, use a bot, dupe or buy stuff from ebay?
With a bind system you're only hurting everyone from the casual gamer to the player who plays 24/7. The only people who benefit from it would be people who bot and dupe because they could sell their stuff for more profit via paypal...
Every has a WF? it sells for 5$ on paypal it's bind on equip? it sells for 200$ and you'd never get your hands on it either unless you got lucky and botted it.
You start with nothing, but you can get lucky and find great stuff that you can use and trade. bind on equip, pick or to accounts would ruin that. You find a soj any class can use it, you can use it a for a while so you're stronger and can more easily level/mf but once you get enough gear you're free to trade to someone else.
Playing diablo isn't about the economy, like I said the other thread this isn't "Capitalism and Economy the game from the creators of the massive online hit World of Warcraft".
It's Diablo 3 which is the sequel of diablo 2 which was based on people freely trading items and players creating the economy instead of one created by blizzard.
Bind on pick, equip and other similar stuff exists to curve selling items for money and force people to do existing content such as raiding insert raid boss. Not curve or help the economy of the game.
If anything this will hurt you because you'll be able to get great gear this way?
Blizzard will save you from yourself don't worry there won't be any bind on equip or pick up in diablo 3.
LOL, so now BOE breaches the "FREEDOM" you have in Diablo III?! That is RETARDED! It's funny how you ASSUME there will be dupes and hacks in Diablo III - a game that isn't even close to being released yet.
There is dupes and hacks in world of warcraft, not as many because of how the GM system. You're being delusional if you honestly think there won't be hacks and dupes in diablo 3.
What do you gain from having bind of equip items?! Nothing oh the item is out of the economy? last time I checked this is diablo not capitalism and economy PLUS the game.
Yeah there is a freedom to having a uber armor and being able to freely trade it your other characters or letting a friend have it, even giving it away to some new player who has cheap item you need and you're hooking them up with a deal.
1 good reason besides the BS about the economy as why boe is a good idea??
Just in case you smart guys didn't realize people would be walking around in dupe shit in world of warcraft, except for the fact someone would report you to a GM and you'd be banned. That isn't going to happen in diablo 3 guys it's not an MMO there isn't raid instances which blizzard is trying to protect with BOP gear.
Because seeing kiljaeden is totally relevant to having a bind system in diablo 3? Right? I haven't actually faught him no, because I was smart enough to quit wow quite a while ago, well before sunwell got implemented actually because farming Illidan was boring.
I played diablo 1 online for a long time, played hellfire, played the crap out of diablo2 and lords of destruction have I played the 'entire' 7 years? no but I did put quite a lot of time into when I was playing for about 3 years. I had plently of level 99's and played the trade game more than I'd like to admit for that.
Diablo 2 is all about the items you get, yes your correct but your logic still isn't quite formulating a solid defence to prove your point. Your actually proving my point for me thankfully. I have no qualms in trading extra gear to get items for another character or do some mfing for something to trade, infact I think that is all I really did while I was playing actually. A patch might come AND guess what the patch after that might change the character again and you go back to playing it.
What point? There isn't a point... It wouldn't help the economy and it wouldn't stop people from duping. The SOJ is rare and BOE guess what? I have 200 of them duped with your system the only thing that happens is people will pay more for these items via paypal... I don't think you understand the diablo 2 community when it comes to hacks and selling items on ebay/paypal.
So you trade everything of value you have for an item and equip it all of it's value it gone because now you can't trade it? Great point sir. Now we can go grind some more right instead of enjoying the game and having *Freedom* which you don't have with a BOE system. Why do you want items out of the economy??? Do you think it'll benefit you somehow? The only person it would help is the people with a private dupe who sell stuff for money LOL.
I only just came to thread about 1-2 pages ago, but that seems to be consensus at these forums you either agree or you get abused. Regardless of how much logic and thought you put into your posts. Shame really, but at least we know theres some people who might reply without abusing our personal lives
Fail troll is fail? sorry you're the only fail around here. You probably never saw kil'jaeden in world of warcraft, you never saw a perfect item in diablo 2. You probably never even hit level 99 let alone had more then 1 soj.
A patch comes and makes the build or class you're playing worthless that's a pretty good reason.
Diablo 2 was all about getting awesome items you've never even had awesome gear, you wouldn't understand why you'd want to be able to trade items between your characters because you never had anything worth a shit.
All your points against a bind system here is solely against BOP, I'm just curious as to where boe would really stop you doing everything you'd said in there.
MY point is against BIND ON EQUIP items. Any UBER item would be BIND ON EQUIP otherwise there would be NO point for the system and my POINT is that there are items that are so rare they were worth more money than you make a in MONTH during 1.8 and 1.9.
Why the fuck would I want a item like that bound to a single character when there isn't class shit like in World of Warcraft there is BOOTS which necromancers, sorceress, amazons and even barbarians could use your eyes would never even seen.
You have no idea how diablo 2 works at ALL. You keep going on about sojs which were worth less than GOLD to people who knew how to play diablo 2. I already said this before you'll NEVER be godly at diablo 3. You'll never see truely rare items, so why even worry about it? You think kiddy shit like sojs matter when you couldn't even trade an account full of them for godly items.
Elaborate please, give me solid counter reasons against BOE. It's been stated many times BOP will 'not' work in this game for an array of reasons we pretty much all agree, but your ignorance is funny. Diablo did have an economy... of ITEMS, soj's are the economy.
Feel free to elaborate and expand or maybe you can gtfo the forums until you come back with something constructive?
You could spend an account full mules with sojs, dupes and other awesome legit rare items for boots, rings, amulets, weapons and armor with near perfect stats you idiots. Some items only ever dropped ONCE in the 10 years diablo has been out, and many can't drop anymore due to changes with item stats from patch to patch. So why should a super fucking rare item from 1.6 patch with perfect stats worth more real money than you make a month be bound to a single character which people would remake all the time?!?
Bind on pick up and Bind on equip? Keep playing World of Warcraft you can't handle diablo. I have 4 70's and full tier6 on my shaman and BOP&BOE would ruin diablo 3.
Guess what you enjoy playing a witch doctor and equip some uber soj and shield, but 3 months later you decide I want to play a sorceress instead your equipment is bound to you so you can't trade or reuse it. Stupid idea only works in MMO's because otherwise people would sell/trade geear from RAID instances and it would totally ruin the point of raiding.
Anyone who agrees with BOP or BOE is stupid beyond words. Imagine sojs being bind on equip that wouldn't make gold currency you retards, instead it would make uber items in diablo 3 impossible for anyone to get you idiots. There was weapons, boots and rings with stats that are so rare it took 3 years for them to drop and there was only ever ONE with similar stats to drop.
Do you idiots honestly think you would ever see godly items like that? Why should it be bound to a single character??? Anyone who wants BOE and BOP are scrubs and never had godly gear in diablo 2. Sorry you reject unique gear wasn't godly unless it was bugged which none of you would know about. Dupes, godly items and the diablo 3 economy doesn't involve a scrube like you, so go worry about things you can warp your little mind around.
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You could kill a boss 1,000 times and not find a soj easily you realize that with a bind system you wouldn't ever collect uber gear unless you played all day, use a bot, dupe or buy stuff from ebay?
With a bind system you're only hurting everyone from the casual gamer to the player who plays 24/7. The only people who benefit from it would be people who bot and dupe because they could sell their stuff for more profit via paypal...
Every has a WF? it sells for 5$ on paypal it's bind on equip? it sells for 200$ and you'd never get your hands on it either unless you got lucky and botted it.
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Best post I've read in a while :thumbsup::thumbsup:
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Playing diablo isn't about the economy, like I said the other thread this isn't "Capitalism and Economy the game from the creators of the massive online hit World of Warcraft".
It's Diablo 3 which is the sequel of diablo 2 which was based on people freely trading items and players creating the economy instead of one created by blizzard.
Bind on pick, equip and other similar stuff exists to curve selling items for money and force people to do existing content such as raiding insert raid boss. Not curve or help the economy of the game.
If anything this will hurt you because you'll be able to get great gear this way?
Blizzard will save you from yourself don't worry there won't be any bind on equip or pick up in diablo 3.
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There is dupes and hacks in world of warcraft, not as many because of how the GM system. You're being delusional if you honestly think there won't be hacks and dupes in diablo 3.
What do you gain from having bind of equip items?! Nothing oh the item is out of the economy? last time I checked this is diablo not capitalism and economy PLUS the game.
Yeah there is a freedom to having a uber armor and being able to freely trade it your other characters or letting a friend have it, even giving it away to some new player who has cheap item you need and you're hooking them up with a deal.
1 good reason besides the BS about the economy as why boe is a good idea??
Just in case you smart guys didn't realize people would be walking around in dupe shit in world of warcraft, except for the fact someone would report you to a GM and you'd be banned. That isn't going to happen in diablo 3 guys it's not an MMO there isn't raid instances which blizzard is trying to protect with BOP gear.
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Pretty soon we'll need a tank and a healing class to brin diablo down lol.
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What point? There isn't a point... It wouldn't help the economy and it wouldn't stop people from duping. The SOJ is rare and BOE guess what? I have 200 of them duped with your system the only thing that happens is people will pay more for these items via paypal... I don't think you understand the diablo 2 community when it comes to hacks and selling items on ebay/paypal.
So you trade everything of value you have for an item and equip it all of it's value it gone because now you can't trade it? Great point sir. Now we can go grind some more right instead of enjoying the game and having *Freedom* which you don't have with a BOE system. Why do you want items out of the economy??? Do you think it'll benefit you somehow? The only person it would help is the people with a private dupe who sell stuff for money LOL.
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Fail troll is fail? sorry you're the only fail around here. You probably never saw kil'jaeden in world of warcraft, you never saw a perfect item in diablo 2. You probably never even hit level 99 let alone had more then 1 soj.
A patch comes and makes the build or class you're playing worthless that's a pretty good reason.
Diablo 2 was all about getting awesome items you've never even had awesome gear, you wouldn't understand why you'd want to be able to trade items between your characters because you never had anything worth a shit.
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MY point is against BIND ON EQUIP items. Any UBER item would be BIND ON EQUIP otherwise there would be NO point for the system and my POINT is that there are items that are so rare they were worth more money than you make a in MONTH during 1.8 and 1.9.
Why the fuck would I want a item like that bound to a single character when there isn't class shit like in World of Warcraft there is BOOTS which necromancers, sorceress, amazons and even barbarians could use your eyes would never even seen.
You have no idea how diablo 2 works at ALL. You keep going on about sojs which were worth less than GOLD to people who knew how to play diablo 2. I already said this before you'll NEVER be godly at diablo 3. You'll never see truely rare items, so why even worry about it? You think kiddy shit like sojs matter when you couldn't even trade an account full of them for godly items.
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You could spend an account full mules with sojs, dupes and other awesome legit rare items for boots, rings, amulets, weapons and armor with near perfect stats you idiots. Some items only ever dropped ONCE in the 10 years diablo has been out, and many can't drop anymore due to changes with item stats from patch to patch. So why should a super fucking rare item from 1.6 patch with perfect stats worth more real money than you make a month be bound to a single character which people would remake all the time?!?
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Guess what you enjoy playing a witch doctor and equip some uber soj and shield, but 3 months later you decide I want to play a sorceress instead your equipment is bound to you so you can't trade or reuse it. Stupid idea only works in MMO's because otherwise people would sell/trade geear from RAID instances and it would totally ruin the point of raiding.
Anyone who agrees with BOP or BOE is stupid beyond words. Imagine sojs being bind on equip that wouldn't make gold currency you retards, instead it would make uber items in diablo 3 impossible for anyone to get you idiots. There was weapons, boots and rings with stats that are so rare it took 3 years for them to drop and there was only ever ONE with similar stats to drop.
Do you idiots honestly think you would ever see godly items like that? Why should it be bound to a single character??? Anyone who wants BOE and BOP are scrubs and never had godly gear in diablo 2. Sorry you reject unique gear wasn't godly unless it was bugged which none of you would know about. Dupes, godly items and the diablo 3 economy doesn't involve a scrube like you, so go worry about things you can warp your little mind around.