I can say Rap is nonsensical because I've listened to it time nd time again, without finding anything good in it. I have tried, educated myself, and came up with squat with regard to the given genre. It's still however, an opinion.
Listen to some good rap then, not the stuff you hear on the radio.
But sure fair enough I guess, you're free to not like it.
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So you're telling me a 1 second song is music? No, it's not. Whatever you say, whatever you think, it's wrong. It needs lyrics, composition, harmony, all the components that actual form a song. That's fact. That isn't opinion, stop saying it is.
Way to over exaggerate with a one second song.
So your saying instrumental music isn't music either? because it needs lyrics? that's not a fact, and it's wrong. Very wrong.
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Standards? Finally, I caught you contradicting yourself. Who is to say that a blank piece of wood isn't the best goddamn piece of art to millions of people? Who are they to judge "ART" as you so vigorously defend it? Some art is good, some art is shit..people decide that. 1 second long songs are shit. Get over it.
People have standards to what they consider art, I never said otherwise, I just said that different people have different standards as to what they consider art.
Like you said, some art is good, and some art is shit, people decide that, and therefore it's all a matter of opinion.
Now stop fucking attacking me like you know what you're talking about, because you can't give an unbiased and reasonable response.
How about looking at things with an objective view next time.
I'm done with you, don't expect another reply after this one, I'll be the better man and leave it at this.
I got killed by a black phantom the other day
But yeah I love the online aspects of the game and how they blend in with the single player experience.
I always laugh at the messages some players leave behind in 1-2 on the bridge, saying: "its safe here" when there will be a dragon breathing fire on you if you walk ahead too soon
You want great lyrics? Expand your music library..I'm not a fucking music doctor. You haven't listened to the Metal you should be listening to. You're probably listening to Bullet For My Valentine, Lamb of God, Atreyu, and Avenged Sevenfold..which isn't Metal in the first place. Go and search to educate yourself, even if it's in stuff you don't like. That's what I do on an everyday basis. No, I'm not lying. I even wiki and read everything on every single movie I watch.
Anal Cunt is music? They had an album comprised of 5600+songs..How long is it? 11 minutes. That's the length of one song played by Leviathan. They have also sent material to publications they actually KNEW would hate it, just to get bad reviews. What good musicianship. What good music. It's shit. Even they're telling you that.
Music is an art? Just like painting? Sure, I'll put up a blank piece of wood and hang it in the Louvre..after all, it's art, right? Your logic is about as straight as a semi circle.
Haha, yeah you don't know what I listen to at all, I bet you don't even know 1/5 of the bands I listen to so please stop acting like you know me.
My music library is more varied than yours I'm sure.
Secondly, the fact that you said all rap was terrible music shows you are very close minded.
To me it seems you only like metal, because that's all you talk about.
And I didn't say I didn't know of any great lyrics, I wanted an example of these great metal lyrics of yours.
As for the Anal Cunt thing, I'm not fan but again, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not music, seriously why does a song have to be at least 4 minutes? is there a standard length artists should stick to? that's ridiculous man.
Length has nothing to do with quality and using that as an argument to say something is shit is just wrong.
And sure if you think a blank piece of wood is art that's your right, it doesn't mean it will be displayed in the Louvre because it probably doesn't live up to their standards.
It looks like you pretty much figured out everything alright, but if you have any kind of "basic" question, just look here (and the board rules here). Welcome to the site and the community- may your stay be long and prosperous
There's also a Demons' Souls thread here if you want to check it out.
Music consists of composition, harmony, and arrangements. If those aren't found, it's not even a song. It's not about what you think, it's about solid facts. Pornogrind and such shit isn't music. Look at Anal Cunt, they have "songs" less than a second long. That shit isn't music. ANyone who thinks that's music should be shot dead.
Miley Cyrus and rap is music. Terrible music, but music nonetheless. Anyone who says they aren't doesn't know what he's talking about. Noise is..something else.
While I agree that lyrics aren't always important, the latter part of your statement (they give the singer something to do), is really condescending.
It's wrong, really.
95%? Are you serious? 95% of good Metal's lyrics are GREAT. Stop generalizing.
Let me rephrase, I meant that it doesn't really matter what the vocalist is singing most of the time, it's how he sings what he sings that makes it sound great, and I may have over exaggerated a bit with the 95% but I'd like to see some of these great metal lyrics, please.
Chances are you like them because of the way they sound, not because they are so clever or smart.
Sure some lyrics are great, I won't deny that, they are just very rare.
To me the vocalist of a band is like an instrument, which can sound great and appealing or lame and crappy, depending on the vocalist and your taste.
Anal Cunt is music btw, just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't say otherwise.
Oh wait, I deserve to be shot now...
As said before, music is art and it depends on the artist what he does when he makes music.
And it's up to the listener to like it or not, just like a painting.
Just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't mean it's shit or not music.
Anyway just because you don't like a genre doesn't make it not music.
Some people say Miley Cyrus isn't music, they're wrong.
Some people say rap isn't music, they're wrong.
Some people say Noise isn't music... maybe they're right.
Also lyrics mean nothing, it doesn't matter if they're really stupid or whether you agree or not the lyrics don't make the music, they just give the singer something to do.
95% of all lyrics are utter crap anyway and have no meaning at all.
To me the music is most important, if the lyrics are clever that's a bonus.
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Word.
I was amazed by how bad they were when I first heard them.
And to think some people practically worship them... :confused:
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No, I'm pretty certain you don't.
Listen to some good rap then, not the stuff you hear on the radio.
But sure fair enough I guess, you're free to not like it.
Way to over exaggerate with a one second song.
So your saying instrumental music isn't music either? because it needs lyrics? that's not a fact, and it's wrong. Very wrong.
People have standards to what they consider art, I never said otherwise, I just said that different people have different standards as to what they consider art.
Like you said, some art is good, and some art is shit, people decide that, and therefore it's all a matter of opinion.
Now stop fucking attacking me like you know what you're talking about, because you can't give an unbiased and reasonable response.
How about looking at things with an objective view next time.
I'm done with you, don't expect another reply after this one, I'll be the better man and leave it at this.
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But yeah I love the online aspects of the game and how they blend in with the single player experience.
I always laugh at the messages some players leave behind in 1-2 on the bridge, saying: "its safe here" when there will be a dragon breathing fire on you if you walk ahead too soon
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Also, Green Day.
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The most god-awful band in existence is BrokenCyde
Title hasn't changed yet btw.
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Haha, yeah you don't know what I listen to at all, I bet you don't even know 1/5 of the bands I listen to so please stop acting like you know me.
My music library is more varied than yours I'm sure.
Secondly, the fact that you said all rap was terrible music shows you are very close minded.
To me it seems you only like metal, because that's all you talk about.
And I didn't say I didn't know of any great lyrics, I wanted an example of these great metal lyrics of yours.
As for the Anal Cunt thing, I'm not fan but again, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not music, seriously why does a song have to be at least 4 minutes? is there a standard length artists should stick to? that's ridiculous man.
Length has nothing to do with quality and using that as an argument to say something is shit is just wrong.
And sure if you think a blank piece of wood is art that's your right, it doesn't mean it will be displayed in the Louvre because it probably doesn't live up to their standards.
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Already did and thanks
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Let me rephrase, I meant that it doesn't really matter what the vocalist is singing most of the time, it's how he sings what he sings that makes it sound great, and I may have over exaggerated a bit with the 95% but I'd like to see some of these great metal lyrics, please.
Chances are you like them because of the way they sound, not because they are so clever or smart.
Sure some lyrics are great, I won't deny that, they are just very rare.
To me the vocalist of a band is like an instrument, which can sound great and appealing or lame and crappy, depending on the vocalist and your taste.
Anal Cunt is music btw, just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't say otherwise.
Oh wait, I deserve to be shot now...
As said before, music is art and it depends on the artist what he does when he makes music.
And it's up to the listener to like it or not, just like a painting.
Just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't mean it's shit or not music.
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The vid you posted is music clearly, but is Noise music?
Noise:
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Anyway just because you don't like a genre doesn't make it not music.
Some people say Miley Cyrus isn't music, they're wrong.
Some people say rap isn't music, they're wrong.
Some people say Noise isn't music... maybe they're right.
Also lyrics mean nothing, it doesn't matter if they're really stupid or whether you agree or not the lyrics don't make the music, they just give the singer something to do.
95% of all lyrics are utter crap anyway and have no meaning at all.
To me the music is most important, if the lyrics are clever that's a bonus.
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I liked Nero gameplay-wise, just not character-wise if you know what I mean.
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*Basks*