I will. It is slower, have to play more carefully which is not my style. Grouping in MP10 is better than solo. 3-4 Blizzards everywhere is a lot of DPS, really nice with a good group. THe other builds that can play MP10 well have nice synergy with this build. Problem is the people who play MP10 that cannot survive. I prefer MP9 for that reason.
Yeah I suspected it would be slower but it is viable since I've had a go at it myself recently. I play in group on MP10 with my friends so I know they can hold their own. I've been using a CMWW build which was working really well for them, but it gets boring repeating the button mashing process over and over again. I find that this build also works well as you said and I'm having more fun with it. Even on MP10 as soon as you take that first monster down and it triggers black ice, the rest of the pack just melt in it lol.
I do find that I have to kite the tank EP's though when playing solo (that's with 253k buffed dps). I guess the only way around that is get lucky to find better items that increase dps without sacrificing ehp.
My DPS is less...I am kind of in a gear quagmire as upgrades now cost a fortune for me and I only get to play 5-10 hours a week. Here is the video, the elites I have are particularly tough so I have to kite even more than normal but it is what it is. 229k DPS
buffed. 1st take as always for my videos, don't think its fair to find the perfect elites I can kill easily. I think I can kite well
I will. It is slower, have to play more carefully which is not my style. Grouping in MP10 is better than solo. 3-4 Blizzards everywhere is a lot of DPS, really nice with a good group. THe other builds that can play MP10 well have nice synergy with this build. Problem is the people who play MP10 that cannot survive. I prefer MP9 for that reason.
With 20 APoC i (10 from Stormcrow and 10 from Triumvirate) i run this build with 1h + source with success on mp4-5 (my gear doesn't allow higher). I have tailored the build more to my needs anyway:
- The crit proc on the main attack is a bit low, so I always run out of AP eventually when I attack single targets (last one of an extra health elite pack...). So for this I use Power of the Storm for Storm Armor to counter this.
- I use Teleport with Calamity. Great offensive usage and I can still get away.
- I never take Black Ice for party play, because in order to get an Black Ice patch, you have to get the killing blow. Rarely happens when 4 ppl are attacking something. I hope Blizzard will change the mechanic, so Black Ice applies a debuff and the patch is created when a monster dies while having the debuff, no matter who killed it.
I am also very happy with this build because it is the first one that forced me to use the terrain to my advantage. I've been running Weeping Hollow/Fields of Misery with this a lot and I always pull too many monsters and I have to retreat behind a bottle-neck so I can kill all those instantly.
Grouping and black ice is tricky. if I outgear my mates it is awesome, if they outgear me not so much. I often switch for groups. I will experiment with calamity. I like wormhole too.
I've seem a video with Archon + Arcane Destruction killing Ghom (I don't remember the MP) only with the boom-transformation.
It's a hell of an explosion.
I think Archon would help you a lot with this build, it busts your EHP high and your DPS also. And Archon is fun, with LASERS, LASERS EVERYWHERE ™.
OK, FOUND THE VIDEO:
(sorry for shouting, but it's fun)
But my 2 cents: I like slow time and meteor. I think a build focused on "Death Raining From The Sky" suits our Wizardry power. Although not very effective for the game, I think its fun to see a huge meteor blasting on the heads of the demons while they're being frozen...
I did not like archon with the build. Not needed. I liked time warp +20% damage but the escapability of Teleport is still king for me. I intend to experiment with diamond skin next.
I do not like having not experimented with anything but teleport. With the servers down I have been trying to think about what I could put in that spot. What do you think about Archon there? I think it could work if used it as it was originally intended. Get into a wo shit moment and pop it and not worry about it going down.
I think when the server pops back up I will try it with arcane destruction. 1600% weapon damage in a 15 radius should be kind of ridiculous with my gear. If I can use it to speed up elite kills, it might be worth it. I am willing to try so I have other choices to comment about there. I am curious to see how much 1600% weapon damage on a crit is. Improved archon may be the better choice, I will try both. I am skeptical because I use teleport a lot.
Anyone else have ideas to try instead of teleport?
Nice video! Some high tension moments! Were you on MP8 ?
Yes MP8. That was a first take on a lunch break. I actually play for high tension moments....I like it. It keeps the adenaline pumping. Unstable Anomaly allows me to play more aggressively. I do not think it ever kicked in on the video. I will have to rewatch to be sure. As long as do not have more than one insanity moment every 60 secs I'm cool to go buck wild.
Special thanks to Niao for loaing me a Stormcrow. Now I have to buy one, replace my chest and belt try to craft a 9+ CC 90CD+ 300 int ammy (good luck dude)
I am so disappointed by the AH being down. I have 66 million, more than I have ever had at once (pathetic amount I know). I can play on MP9 and 10. I was hoping to buy a Stormcrow with decent AP on crit. I need more AP on the higher MPs because the elites take longer to kill. I feel trapped by the Tal set. I think I need to break it to progress. Anyone willing to lend me one to see if it is will wotk. Husband, Dad and adult I wont keep your helm. A video of someone using with simialr gear to mine would work in MP9-10 on a boss or elite with extra health or something simialr...long fight. A miracle and a gift of one would be phenominal but I just want to try it beofre I break my set and who know when the AH will be back and my 66 million could be worthless now anyways. I will post videos of how it works and it may benefit the community somewhat. I can't even get a crummy one to drop, its making me nuts. Magusrex#1997
After trying Archon at lunch for a hour I went home and played it some more. I go better at keeping it going but it just isn’t for me. I like to look at gear at times, I pick up blues and whites by accident and need to drop them. Archon just makes me feel rushed. However it gave me some ideas for black ice.
So I replaced blur with glass cannon and storm armor reactive with energy armor pinpoint. DPS with scoundrel went to 300k. Big jump. Melted stuff. Moved up to MP7 and I still melted stuff. Felt a little squishy there though. Moved back to storm armor reactive and it was perfect at 289k dps buffed with scoundrel. The LS from reactive can not be discounted. I cannot wait to get home from work and try MP10 with the buffs to RoF Black Ice.
Anyways…..when I decided to do black ice it was because I had pretty much no gold and I got a really good deal on a skorn. So I built around it and ended up with Black ice, and I like it. Cool and cooler. However my thought was I would use it to farm resources to get better gear and attempt to emulate Jaetch’s archon build. I forgot about that.
So, I saw Jaetch’s give away thread and looked at the gear. Mine was fairly comparable except for my big ole Skorn and I had a pair of Inna’s sittin’ in my bank. Well then… So I tried the archon build with my gear. It worked, he had higher defenses but I had a lot more LS. I will experiment more. I can certainly farm faster is select areas, not that much faster though. His triumvirate/black 1 hnd (give away gear) probably generates some more hidden DPS than my skorn.
I think I am going to scratch my archon goal because although very cool, the pressure to stay in archon is not for me. I am sure with practice and gear designed for the build it would play easier and faster but with the changes coming to RoF and black ice I think it will play as fast as archon. Going from 215-280% on RoF and 387-504% on black ice is going to absolutely crush mobs. As a matter of fact I will be trying replacing blur with glass cannon and storm armor with energy pinpoint just to see how ugly it can get.
FWIW I am not saying black ice is faster or better than archon. I do not believe it is. After 1.08 I would love to try it top end gear and compare. The drops haven’t been going my way. I had a 35 million drop in my first week back but since then….not much. Most of my gold has been made selling my old items. I got them on nice bids and I pretty much make a profit on upgrades because I am patient and cheap.
I fit Jaetch’s criteria and have a fairly good understanding of prices but it will still be a guess. If I win I would post a video in each set in the same areas for reference.
the video looks fine. and you didnt die, which is always a plus in a video. :Thumbs Up: .
since i just finished my monk to 100, i think i may try this with the wiz. might have to do some gear swapping, but it looks like fun and definitely is getting a buff in the new patch. i'll be streaming my experimentation with this too. gonna read up on the gear. thanks
I do in fact die sometimes. Probably a couple of times a play session. How can you see how far you can push your build/gear if do not try to do fun stuff? I cannot play ANY game if there is not a reasonable chance I can die, I will manufacture a reason by putting conditions on my play if the game is too easy. No challenge equals no fun to me. Its why I can't play the CM wizard. I do not even like grouping with them, trivializes the game. Too much synergy, they freeze everything for me and keep the creatures in the black ice, black propagates, pop a blizzard on top its stupid easy.
I replace one my rings yesterday, The new one had 249 LoH. I replaced the ring for the increased Crit chance. The outcome was beneficial, Blizzard does work well with LoH, having a single piece of gear with some LoH is nice. I think I might add another.
Can we talk about fun? I have fun when I push it, try to take on too much and pull though. The screen is chaos, I am teleporting around, I am already at what I think is the max and get another set of elites with worse affixes and still pull through. I am like F YEAH!!!!!!!
The extra LoH made me feel like I could push it up a notch. Friends…that is fun. I was playing MP6 in a group yesterday evening and we got in the shit, really screwed up. Multiple elite groups all at the rez point. People started dropping, the Barb stood at the top of the stairs and watched me. The ground was covered in plague, desecration, flipping chains, freezy balls and bomdadiers oopsie forgot about that reflect, that too. I killed it all myself, it felt AWESOME. The topper was that cheese wizard even bailed…NICE!!! Pissed that 1.08 did not come out today, I want to do that crap on MP 7,8,9
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My DPS is less...I am kind of in a gear quagmire as upgrades now cost a fortune for me and I only get to play 5-10 hours a week. Here is the video, the elites I have are particularly tough so I have to kite even more than normal but it is what it is. 229k DPS
buffed. 1st take as always for my videos, don't think its fair to find the perfect elites I can kill easily. I think I can kite well
I will. It is slower, have to play more carefully which is not my style. Grouping in MP10 is better than solo. 3-4 Blizzards everywhere is a lot of DPS, really nice with a good group. THe other builds that can play MP10 well have nice synergy with this build. Problem is the people who play MP10 that cannot survive. I prefer MP9 for that reason.
Grouping and black ice is tricky. if I outgear my mates it is awesome, if they outgear me not so much. I often switch for groups. I will experiment with calamity. I like wormhole too.
I did not like archon with the build. Not needed. I liked time warp +20% damage but the escapability of Teleport is still king for me. I intend to experiment with diamond skin next.
I think when the server pops back up I will try it with arcane destruction. 1600% weapon damage in a 15 radius should be kind of ridiculous with my gear. If I can use it to speed up elite kills, it might be worth it. I am willing to try so I have other choices to comment about there. I am curious to see how much 1600% weapon damage on a crit is. Improved archon may be the better choice, I will try both. I am skeptical because I use teleport a lot.
Anyone else have ideas to try instead of teleport?
and thanks
So I replaced blur with glass cannon and storm armor reactive with energy armor pinpoint. DPS with scoundrel went to 300k. Big jump. Melted stuff. Moved up to MP7 and I still melted stuff. Felt a little squishy there though. Moved back to storm armor reactive and it was perfect at 289k dps buffed with scoundrel. The LS from reactive can not be discounted. I cannot wait to get home from work and try MP10 with the buffs to RoF Black Ice.
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So, I saw Jaetch’s give away thread and looked at the gear. Mine was fairly comparable except for my big ole Skorn and I had a pair of Inna’s sittin’ in my bank. Well then… So I tried the archon build with my gear. It worked, he had higher defenses but I had a lot more LS. I will experiment more. I can certainly farm faster is select areas, not that much faster though. His triumvirate/black 1 hnd (give away gear) probably generates some more hidden DPS than my skorn.
I think I am going to scratch my archon goal because although very cool, the pressure to stay in archon is not for me. I am sure with practice and gear designed for the build it would play easier and faster but with the changes coming to RoF and black ice I think it will play as fast as archon. Going from 215-280% on RoF and 387-504% on black ice is going to absolutely crush mobs. As a matter of fact I will be trying replacing blur with glass cannon and storm armor with energy pinpoint just to see how ugly it can get.
FWIW I am not saying black ice is faster or better than archon. I do not believe it is. After 1.08 I would love to try it top end gear and compare. The drops haven’t been going my way. I had a 35 million drop in my first week back but since then….not much. Most of my gold has been made selling my old items. I got them on nice bids and I pretty much make a profit on upgrades because I am patient and cheap.
I fit Jaetch’s criteria and have a fairly good understanding of prices but it will still be a guess. If I win I would post a video in each set in the same areas for reference.
I do in fact die sometimes. Probably a couple of times a play session. How can you see how far you can push your build/gear if do not try to do fun stuff? I cannot play ANY game if there is not a reasonable chance I can die, I will manufacture a reason by putting conditions on my play if the game is too easy. No challenge equals no fun to me. Its why I can't play the CM wizard. I do not even like grouping with them, trivializes the game. Too much synergy, they freeze everything for me and keep the creatures in the black ice, black propagates, pop a blizzard on top its stupid easy.
Can we talk about fun? I have fun when I push it, try to take on too much and pull though. The screen is chaos, I am teleporting around, I am already at what I think is the max and get another set of elites with worse affixes and still pull through. I am like F YEAH!!!!!!!
The extra LoH made me feel like I could push it up a notch. Friends…that is fun. I was playing MP6 in a group yesterday evening and we got in the shit, really screwed up. Multiple elite groups all at the rez point. People started dropping, the Barb stood at the top of the stairs and watched me. The ground was covered in plague, desecration, flipping chains, freezy balls and bomdadiers oopsie forgot about that reflect, that too. I killed it all myself, it felt AWESOME. The topper was that cheese wizard even bailed…NICE!!! Pissed that 1.08 did not come out today, I want to do that crap on MP 7,8,9