I am not saying Diablo should or will be an esport. I was merely making an example of how flawed your theory and concept of Diablo is. If you are to simple minded to think for yourself then I am done wasting my time on you, you can follow like a good little kid what daddy Jay wants you to do in Diablo and drink all that kool-aid.
Blizzard has neglected Diablo for the better half of a decade, you honestly think they will patch in monthly updates and shit? Ha, maybe first few months they will do something minor and maybe once every year or 2 an expansion, but expect their support to fall short of what you wish cause Blizzard simply doesn't give a damn about Diablo.
I'm being very open minded. I understand the reasons for you (the PvP crowd) wanting what you want. However, I also understand the reasons behind the choices Blizzard has made in regards to their game and continuity. I also appreciate that they have actually made the decision to stand behind the idea that every multiplayer game does not need to be made into a ultra-competitive environment. They want to cater to the more casual crowd that makes up the bulk of their Diablo players and they are sticking to their guns. That's something I respect.
Since Diablo should have continual income from the RMAH, I do actually expect to see them add regular minor content updates. They will have the income to support it and they've already stated intentions to do so. They might not, but I'm going to keep an open mind and give them a chance.
The PvP crowd seems to be the ones being disrespectful. I haven't been sitting here insulting the PvP crowd, I've been trying to explain why Blizzard made the decisions they did. I am trying to explain why changing those decisions at this point in development is not feasible. I'm trying to explain why changing those decisions in the future would not actually benefit Blizzard. I'm not following anyone blindly...Instead I've actually researched the reasons, determined alternative options and how they'd affect the game, and came to my own conclusions.
If you guys have such a dislike for Blizzard and how Diablo 3 is turning out...DON'T BUY IT. Its like complaining that a FPS isn't a RTS and calling the company bad for it. Diablo 3 isn't a PvP focused game...that's it.
Good thing Blizzard made Starcraft 1 to be an esport and the community had nothing to do with it. Good thing Capcom did the same thing with Street Fighter. Good thing Namco did the same thing with Tekken. Good thing every esport game or PvP competetive game was originally designed and created for that sole purpose.....oh wait....none of them were....shit your nut huggery has blinded you....darn.
Bottom line, community and money decide the outcome of the game, not the developer. I don't care how much you want to try and deny that, cause it goes against what your boyfriend Jay believes in but apparently you are new to games and communities.
Again, we don't want esports, we just want our options we had before to create our own rules and standards. Not have it half assed by some douchebags who have no idea what they are doing.
No, the bottom line is that Blizzard has outright stated that features like rankings will not be in the game. I could care less if a eSport community is created for Diablo 3. In fact, I'd probably watch the live commentary as well. However, what I don't want is Blizzard to shift its development completely towards PvP to cater to a minor group of players. I want to see the monthly content updates that they talked about in the past (new quests or random areas). I want multiple expansions. I want more of Diablo, not more of PvP.
The Diablo series has never been about PvP as a focus, and it shouldn't change just because a small amount of their players complain. Its a single player hack and slash RPG that has multiplayer and PvP components (those components being additions). They game's development should not be driven by PvP and the more eSport-based features that are added the more obligation there will be to do so. This is why I don't want these PvP features, not because I hate PvP....because I love the story and gameplay of PvE.
P.S. - Insulting me really makes your point more valid...honest.
Actually, Blizzard outright stated they WON'T be balancing the game as an e-sport. Its not due to RMAH or anything like that. Its due to the fact that they don't want the game revolving around PvP. They want to make a PvE focused game.
Well I did say I dont expect an esport level of tuning, but I can almost guarantee that somewhere in the future they will do some balancing, add more PvP modes or make a visible ladder etc. There is a huge portion of D3 playerbase that will want more of PvP and Blizzard has a good (and bad) habit of listening to their community if the demand is there. Taking nothing away from PvM here, really looking foward to farm items and unveiling the story.
See, Blizzard has known the entire time that people wanted e-sport level PvP out of Diablo 3...yet they went and announced right away that it was not happening. They specifically pointed out that they will not be adding features to further Diablo 3 as an e-sport. So, I don't think we'll see a lot of PvP focus at all. I do think we could see more PvP modes potentially, but more as additional mini-games for people to do when they aren't playing through the story. PvP in Diablo 3 is casual only, as stated by Blizzard, and those that don't want to play if it doesn't have competitive PvP should look into other games.
Its gonna be in a major patch so I'd say two to three months, on a side note Blizzards is well aware of the value of competitive multiplayer and esports. That said I dont think they can balance it to esport level due to the RMAH etc, but I do feel they will try to balance and rework it to somewhat degree. Atleast I hope so, really looking foward to smashing some skulls in.
Actually, Blizzard outright stated they WON'T be balancing the game as an e-sport. Its not due to RMAH or anything like that. Its due to the fact that they don't want the game revolving around PvP. They want to make a PvE focused game.
Riiiiight. So since PvP now has a dedicated spot to fight in...that suddenly means more support? So gone are duels whenever you want mid game, gone are dynamic game play revolving around real life interactions with emotions through the hostility function, gone are the public games where you can gather together with 7+ people and chat and duel. Now we have...a secluded arena where it is primary just a death match which caters to the PvE crowd who will use it once or twice in their life and their whole goal while in the arena will be to run away till health orbs pop up...fantastic I love all this great support PvP is getting. Face it kid, you don't know shit about PvP in Diablo or long term Diablo gameplay obviously, if you did you would notice that PvE doesn't keep kids interested in Diablo for 10+ years, PvP does. Why do you have bots that grind gear and levels for you, and are very very very widely used if PvE in Diablo was the greatest thing since slice bread? I want you to take a look at D2JSP and go check how many posts and threads are in the PvP section of Diablo 2, also check the trade section which is everyone trading for PvP gear, now mind you these numbers pale in comparison to what they were.
PvE in Diablo is about as hard as a wet limp noodle, inferno mode will be no different.
By the way you won't see any PvP related content for Diablo 3 in 4-7 months. They couldn't even put in chat channels in bnet2.0 in under 6 months. Why you kids think they can put in this "great robust" pvp system in less is beyond me.
They aren't looking to make some 'robust' PvP system. They are making a PvP system that is supported with matchmaking, vanity rewards, and achievements. Its 'casual' PvP, not something meant for highly competitive play. Diablo 2 wasn't focused around PvP either. PvP in Diablo 2 was a extremely simplistic feature that just let players damage each other like they can monsters. It wasn't some established system, league, etc. At least in Diablo 3 they are adding matchmaking, rewards, etc. If what you want some form of highly competitive PvP, tough. The Diablo series is not about PvP, it isn't going to change now just because a minor group of players complain.
I give Blizzard more credit as well. I believe infernal will be a lot more difficult then you make out. If it does turn out to be too easy, I'm very confident that Blizzard will patch to tune it to increase the challenge.
I give it 6 months before PvP, 3 months after all content is cleared for even the noobs, people sitting around doing nothing, spamming chat channels talking about crap, Chinese farmers saturating the market and basically giving everyone god gear for pennies, and then when we are like "lets go PvP", we can't because of a small player base of "diehard pve'ers" that dislike PvP, and an incompetent design leader (Jay Wilson), who basically threw PvP in the trash.
Sorry, but no. The primary player base of ALL of the Diablo games has always been about PvE. Playing PvP has always been a side feature of the game that a minority make use of regularly. I have a feeling the new arena system will be used MORE due to the fact that its an integrated system that lets people queue up to fight roughly equal opponents. Its casual PvP for a game that has never been about PvP in the first place.
I'll also refute Jay Wilson being a bad designer. There are very few bad design decisions in Diablo 3 (of what we can play). Most of those mistakes are also incredibly minor things that really don't hurt the gameplay. Diablo 3 is a very well designed game. As for him throwing PvP in the trash, you're wrong there as well. PvP has been given MORE support then it has ever gotten in the Diablo series. Its not going to be e-sport PvP, no, but since Diablo is a PvE focused game it makes sense.
As to the OP's question, my estimation is similar to others...two months or so. It seems like they are focusing their development on tuning and fixing any bugs in the core game right now. Once the core game is ready for release, their focus will likely switch over to the Arena and I don't think it should take more then a couple months.
I'm being very open minded. I understand the reasons for you (the PvP crowd) wanting what you want. However, I also understand the reasons behind the choices Blizzard has made in regards to their game and continuity. I also appreciate that they have actually made the decision to stand behind the idea that every multiplayer game does not need to be made into a ultra-competitive environment. They want to cater to the more casual crowd that makes up the bulk of their Diablo players and they are sticking to their guns. That's something I respect.
Since Diablo should have continual income from the RMAH, I do actually expect to see them add regular minor content updates. They will have the income to support it and they've already stated intentions to do so. They might not, but I'm going to keep an open mind and give them a chance.
The PvP crowd seems to be the ones being disrespectful. I haven't been sitting here insulting the PvP crowd, I've been trying to explain why Blizzard made the decisions they did. I am trying to explain why changing those decisions at this point in development is not feasible. I'm trying to explain why changing those decisions in the future would not actually benefit Blizzard. I'm not following anyone blindly...Instead I've actually researched the reasons, determined alternative options and how they'd affect the game, and came to my own conclusions.
If you guys have such a dislike for Blizzard and how Diablo 3 is turning out...DON'T BUY IT. Its like complaining that a FPS isn't a RTS and calling the company bad for it. Diablo 3 isn't a PvP focused game...that's it.
No, the bottom line is that Blizzard has outright stated that features like rankings will not be in the game. I could care less if a eSport community is created for Diablo 3. In fact, I'd probably watch the live commentary as well. However, what I don't want is Blizzard to shift its development completely towards PvP to cater to a minor group of players. I want to see the monthly content updates that they talked about in the past (new quests or random areas). I want multiple expansions. I want more of Diablo, not more of PvP.
The Diablo series has never been about PvP as a focus, and it shouldn't change just because a small amount of their players complain. Its a single player hack and slash RPG that has multiplayer and PvP components (those components being additions). They game's development should not be driven by PvP and the more eSport-based features that are added the more obligation there will be to do so. This is why I don't want these PvP features, not because I hate PvP....because I love the story and gameplay of PvE.
P.S. - Insulting me really makes your point more valid...honest.
See, Blizzard has known the entire time that people wanted e-sport level PvP out of Diablo 3...yet they went and announced right away that it was not happening. They specifically pointed out that they will not be adding features to further Diablo 3 as an e-sport. So, I don't think we'll see a lot of PvP focus at all. I do think we could see more PvP modes potentially, but more as additional mini-games for people to do when they aren't playing through the story. PvP in Diablo 3 is casual only, as stated by Blizzard, and those that don't want to play if it doesn't have competitive PvP should look into other games.
Actually, Blizzard outright stated they WON'T be balancing the game as an e-sport. Its not due to RMAH or anything like that. Its due to the fact that they don't want the game revolving around PvP. They want to make a PvE focused game.
They aren't looking to make some 'robust' PvP system. They are making a PvP system that is supported with matchmaking, vanity rewards, and achievements. Its 'casual' PvP, not something meant for highly competitive play. Diablo 2 wasn't focused around PvP either. PvP in Diablo 2 was a extremely simplistic feature that just let players damage each other like they can monsters. It wasn't some established system, league, etc. At least in Diablo 3 they are adding matchmaking, rewards, etc. If what you want some form of highly competitive PvP, tough. The Diablo series is not about PvP, it isn't going to change now just because a minor group of players complain.
I give Blizzard more credit as well. I believe infernal will be a lot more difficult then you make out. If it does turn out to be too easy, I'm very confident that Blizzard will patch to tune it to increase the challenge.
Sorry, but no. The primary player base of ALL of the Diablo games has always been about PvE. Playing PvP has always been a side feature of the game that a minority make use of regularly. I have a feeling the new arena system will be used MORE due to the fact that its an integrated system that lets people queue up to fight roughly equal opponents. Its casual PvP for a game that has never been about PvP in the first place.
I'll also refute Jay Wilson being a bad designer. There are very few bad design decisions in Diablo 3 (of what we can play). Most of those mistakes are also incredibly minor things that really don't hurt the gameplay. Diablo 3 is a very well designed game. As for him throwing PvP in the trash, you're wrong there as well. PvP has been given MORE support then it has ever gotten in the Diablo series. Its not going to be e-sport PvP, no, but since Diablo is a PvE focused game it makes sense.
As to the OP's question, my estimation is similar to others...two months or so. It seems like they are focusing their development on tuning and fixing any bugs in the core game right now. Once the core game is ready for release, their focus will likely switch over to the Arena and I don't think it should take more then a couple months.