Another thing to consider about cooling is where you put your computer. That matters far more than anything else. I have seen people place their computers inside a closed desk, and then wonder why it was overheating....
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These forums give out a bad image since apparently nobody's providing the OP with the answers he requested (builds with $2k budget), but rather spew out personal opinions and misinformation.
As long as your definition of better is FPS you won't notice, then sure it will run it better.
I havent given any personal opinions other than maybe the sound card debate. Waste of money imo, but some people like high quality sound. However, it should be one of the last things you consider as a gamer concerned with performance, which is obvious.
The build you posted has so much waste in it its laughable. One could easily make an comparable gaming machine for far far less. Buying top of the line components means you are paying for research and development for next to no gain, if any, in actual performance.
Case + PSU combo for less than your PSU or the Case you listed.
Just pure waste....suggesting stupid shit just because it costs a lot.
That case is laughable at best if you'll be doing Dual GPU's or even a 7970 or a hell a 6950. I had a similar case and a 6950 and i had so many heat issues. A case needs to have the proper airflow for your build. Simple as that. Without the correct airflow you're fucked as shit. I'm nto saying you have to buy the TJ11 which is 700 bucks but It's certainly a good option. The FT02 or Rv02-E are amazing alternatives and so are the Haf X and NZXT Phantom. Those are all well within his price range.Especially since he's looking for a dual GPU setup.
The poster I quoted was making a suggested build with a single GPU.
Dual GPU is a total waste, especially right off the bat. I could maybe see upgrade to dual later, but not starting off that way. You don't have to buy a 200+ dollar case to get good airflow....I don't even know why you think thats such an issue.
Edit: Now that I look at that case more closely it does look a bit restrictive. But could still easily run single GPU system.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
These forums give out a bad image since apparently nobody's providing the OP with the answers he requested (builds with $2k budget), but rather spew out personal opinions and misinformation.
As long as your definition of better is FPS you won't notice, then sure it will run it better.
I havent given any personal opinions other than maybe the sound card debate. Waste of money imo, but some people like high quality sound. However, it should be one of the last things you consider as a gamer concerned with performance, which is obvious.
The build you posted has so much waste in it its laughable. One could easily make an comparable gaming machine for far far less. Buying top of the line components means you are paying for research and development for next to no gain, if any, in actual performance, and often times a lot of bugs.
Is getting absolute shit customer reviews by many people.
Just pure waste....suggesting stupid shit just because it costs a lot.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
See if you'd like a sound card too. Most gamers underrate their sound card don't know why. I mean I don't know why
I haven't bought one in decade or so. Could never tell the difference when I switched, but maybe some people can. If you have money to blow, then fine....buy it along with some good speakers. If you don't get descent speakers, then you are definitely just wasting your money though, which is just another expense.
The sound card IS important. Many game crashes and problems originate from a bad sound card (look up MW2 issues, BF3 issues etc). Although, to be honest, "bad" may be the wrong term, since the most important thing for a gamer is to make sure your sound card is well supported and receives periodical driver updates as problems arise. I'd recommend the newer Creative cards. Some top-of-the-line motherboards also come with well-supported high quality integrated sound cards.
Onboard is fine imo. I haven't had any issues in years.
He said he's buying a computer with a $2k budget. Who are you to judge? A few months after your few months there's another generation of hardware, so it's generally pointless to wait unless you're just weeks away from major updates.
I am not judging him. I am making sure he knows the difference between 2k to spend and 2k to waste.
A ~1k computer can run any game on max, so there is no reason to spend 2k.
Lots of kids go overboard on their 1st build, i know I did.
Wrong on the latter. RAM price is now at an all-time low, so it's definitely the best time to buy a lot of RAM. You never know what the future holds, just look at how last year's Tsunami affected for example the HDD prices. If you want a little future-proofing, which is something you can afford with the aforementioned budget, now is the time.
Its possible I suppose, but seems rather unlikely.
Its pretty cheap regardless so it doesn't matter a whole lot.
Wrong. The case matters significantly, as depending on chassis cooling you can have temperature differences of several C, even going to double digits in some cases. Good air flow ensures lower running temperatures for ALL components, thus prolonging their life and/or allowing more overclocking headroom.
Plus a chassis needs to look cool. Seriously.
There are lots of good cases with adequate air flow for less than $100. Whether you think it looks cool is subjective. Personally I would rather my computer go fast, than look like it goes fast.
That's why, with a $2k budget, you go for Sandy Bridge-E and i7 3820. Great overclockability and relatively low cost on the processor itself + LGA2011 should be compatible with the upcoming Ivy Bridge-E, so you have a safe upgrade path a couple years down the road.
Assuming he is the slightest bit interested in OC'ing.
I never understood the fascination with it myself, and he is a noob to boot.
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That being said, I don't see how graphic experience is any more important than sound experience. FPS drops are as much annoying as buzzing and humming coming out of your headphones/speakers.
You can play the game on mute, try playing w/o the video card. Actually now that I think about it, most people turn the sound and/or music off while playing as they find it monotonous.
I can't recall any humming or buzzing while I played with onboard sound....might be a personal problem. Besides, a buzz won't affect your gameplay, a huge drop in FPS will. There is a huge difference between ensuring the game runs smoothly, and the quality of sound.
If you do have the extra money that you want to spend, replacing your sound card will be much more noticeable (assuming that you have adequate sound system) than jumping from 85 to 100 FPS (random numbers, the point is that anything above your screen refresh ratio is irrelevant).
For this game that is certainly true, but oddly enough these software companies keep making more graphic demanding games for some damn reason.
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All I am saying is there is a big difference between $2000 to spend, and $2000 to waste. If he has money to waste, then by all means get the top of the line components. Dual 7970s with 1200 watt power supply etc...
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
See if you'd like a sound card too. Most gamers underrate their sound card don't know why. I mean I don't know why
Because its not important in the slightest. It has little to nothing to do with how well the game runs, and that's what is really important.
@OP
Most people seem to just be listing stupid shit that cost a lot of money, because you said you had a 2k budget. Personally, I would probably wait a few months for the next generation stuff to get on the market.
Few Tips:
You don't need 16 Gb of memory, 8 gig is fine. The best method is to buy 8 gig now, then buy 8 gig later after the price drops.
Similarly you don't need dual Video cards. You would be far better off buying one good video card, and then later buying another later for significantly less.
Don't blow a lot of money on a case. Its just a box that houses the components....it does almost nothing.
Motherboard: Make sure it has support for USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0
Processor: The difference between I7 2600k and 2500k for gaming is almost nil.
PSU: Make sure it is a single 12v rail. Be aware of what you are going to run so you can get the right watt power supply, too much and you waste money, too little and you are hindering your system. This is a crucial part when it comes to gaming, and you need to make sure you do your homework on how much juice your system is going to use.
For example,
7970 will use about 300 watts under full load
I7 2600k will use about 165 watts under full load.
These #s will of course change greatly if you overclock.
Also anyone who suggests you only buy X brand don't know WTF they are talking about. Every company makes good and bad products, and they should be judged on a per case basis.
I also don't recommend blowing 2k on a computer unless you have a good job, and just have money to blow. When you buy top of the line components you are paying almost exclusively for research and development of said products. The difference between a 1k and 2k machine is nothing to write home about.
I'll address some things you said here.
1. Sound card are useless for gaming.... Well ain't that anything BUT the truth. If you're an audiophile too and you really know how to squeeze the sound from a good soundcard then go for it. It makes the world of a difference.
2."don't blow a lot of money on a case it's just a box that houses your components" I've never heard a more wrong statement. EVER! Your case is so important. If you plan on Watercooling eventually and you buy a cheap ass case for 60 bucks you're clearly going to screw yourself. If you're never going to watercool but want to get some high quality components then the case means more than almost anything. It's great if you bought a 7970 but having just a decent case with minimal airflow means CRASHES GALORE. You'll need an adequate case for cooling your parts. That's a fact.
3. To your comment on anyone telling you X brand is better. It's not because we want to limit his choices but it's because it's completely true. All my Asus products worked fine. The reason I had said to go with Seasonic Corsair or XFX is because they all use the same parts and are of very high quality. Sure sometimes you get a DOA but you have to go for a brand that has less DOA's you don't want a 5/8 chance you'll get a DOA part I'd much rather go with a brand that has a 1/8 chance.
4.The reason we listed the high priced shit is because well hes got 2k to blow, if he only plans on gamign then you're right he doesn't need half the crap but without his specific needs I can't go into detail. What if he's a photo editor too? He'll need more than just 16 gigs of RAM. and honestly if he has the money don't buy a LGA 1155 board buy a LGA 2011 future proof your system a little. They're all able to hold 64 Gigs of Ram run hexa and quad core processors and have PCIe 3.0 and USB 3.0
Dual video cards are up for debate, depends on his resolution what settings he wants to play at, etc... So really I can recommend it if he wants to be running BF3 maxed at 2560x1440 but not if he's going to be playing Diablo 3 at 1440x900.
1. Doesnt help performance, and quality is marginally better. I bet most people couldn't even tell the difference.
2. Says the guy who suggested a $600 case FFS. There are lots of cases in the $70 range that will work just fine Water cooling is by no means needed. Hell you could put your computer components on a slab of wood and it would work fine.
3. Your personal experiences mean diddly shit. There are technical reviews and tons of customer feedback on just about any part. Compared to that, someone saying "lolz asus" is like a bad joke.
4. I already said that. 64 gigs is total overkill, and those boards are buggy as new technology often is. Besides, he could buy a good LGA 1155 board now, and if he needed upgrade in the future then he could buy a NEW LGA 2011 board. And it would cost about the same, and likely be far more stable.
You people seriously need to learn to think.
You can build a high-med machine for half the price of a top of the line machine, and it will still max out the games. Later you can upgrade it, (more memory, dual video card) and get even more life out of it. Even if you have 2k to spend, there is no point in blowing it on stupid shit like a $600 case, or dual 570s.
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
See if you'd like a sound card too. Most gamers underrate their sound card don't know why. I mean I don't know why
Because its not important in the slightest. It has little to nothing to do with how well the game runs, and that's what is really important.
@OP
Most people seem to just be listing stupid shit that cost a lot of money, because you said you had a 2k budget. Personally, I would probably wait a few months for the next generation stuff to get on the market.
Few Tips:
You don't need 16 Gb of memory, 8 gig is fine. The best method is to buy 8 gig now, then buy 8 gig later after the price drops.
Similarly you don't need dual Video cards. You would be far better off buying one good video card, and then later buying another later for significantly less.
Don't blow a lot of money on a case. Its just a box that houses the components....it does almost nothing.
Motherboard: Make sure it has support for USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0
Processor: The difference between I7 2600k and 2500k for gaming is almost nil.
PSU: Make sure it is a single 12v rail. Be aware of what you are going to run so you can get the right watt power supply, too much and you waste money, too little and you are hindering your system. This is a crucial part when it comes to gaming, and you need to make sure you do your homework on how much juice your system is going to use.
For example,
7970 will use about 300 watts under full load
I7 2600k will use about 165 watts under full load.
These #s will of course change greatly if you overclock.
Also anyone who suggests you only buy X brand don't know WTF they are talking about. Every company makes good and bad products, and they should be judged on a per case basis.
I also don't recommend blowing 2k on a computer unless you have a good job, and just have money to blow. When you buy top of the line components you are paying almost exclusively for research and development of said products. The difference between a 1k and 2k machine is nothing to write home about.
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http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811139010
Looks awesome to boot.
Another thing to consider about cooling is where you put your computer. That matters far more than anything else. I have seen people place their computers inside a closed desk, and then wonder why it was overheating....
Epicurus
Dual GPU is a total waste, especially right off the bat. I could maybe see upgrade to dual later, but not starting off that way. You don't have to buy a 200+ dollar case to get good airflow....I don't even know why you think thats such an issue.
Edit: Now that I look at that case more closely it does look a bit restrictive. But could still easily run single GPU system.
Epicurus
I havent given any personal opinions other than maybe the sound card debate. Waste of money imo, but some people like high quality sound. However, it should be one of the last things you consider as a gamer concerned with performance, which is obvious.
The build you posted has so much waste in it its laughable. One could easily make an comparable gaming machine for far far less. Buying top of the line components means you are paying for research and development for next to no gain, if any, in actual performance, and often times a lot of bugs.
For example,
http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.855586
Case + PSU combo for less than your PSU or the Case you listed.
Ohh and this motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131800
Is getting absolute shit customer reviews by many people.
Just pure waste....suggesting stupid shit just because it costs a lot.
Epicurus
Onboard is fine imo. I haven't had any issues in years.
I am not judging him. I am making sure he knows the difference between 2k to spend and 2k to waste.
A ~1k computer can run any game on max, so there is no reason to spend 2k.
Lots of kids go overboard on their 1st build, i know I did.
Its possible I suppose, but seems rather unlikely.
Its pretty cheap regardless so it doesn't matter a whole lot.
There are lots of good cases with adequate air flow for less than $100. Whether you think it looks cool is subjective. Personally I would rather my computer go fast, than look like it goes fast.
Assuming he is the slightest bit interested in OC'ing.
I never understood the fascination with it myself, and he is a noob to boot.
Epicurus
You can play the game on mute, try playing w/o the video card. Actually now that I think about it, most people turn the sound and/or music off while playing as they find it monotonous.
I can't recall any humming or buzzing while I played with onboard sound....might be a personal problem. Besides, a buzz won't affect your gameplay, a huge drop in FPS will. There is a huge difference between ensuring the game runs smoothly, and the quality of sound.
For this game that is certainly true, but oddly enough these software companies keep making more graphic demanding games for some damn reason.
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1. Doesnt help performance, and quality is marginally better. I bet most people couldn't even tell the difference.
2. Says the guy who suggested a $600 case FFS. There are lots of cases in the $70 range that will work just fine Water cooling is by no means needed. Hell you could put your computer components on a slab of wood and it would work fine.
3. Your personal experiences mean diddly shit. There are technical reviews and tons of customer feedback on just about any part. Compared to that, someone saying "lolz asus" is like a bad joke.
4. I already said that. 64 gigs is total overkill, and those boards are buggy as new technology often is. Besides, he could buy a good LGA 1155 board now, and if he needed upgrade in the future then he could buy a NEW LGA 2011 board. And it would cost about the same, and likely be far more stable.
You people seriously need to learn to think.
You can build a high-med machine for half the price of a top of the line machine, and it will still max out the games. Later you can upgrade it, (more memory, dual video card) and get even more life out of it. Even if you have 2k to spend, there is no point in blowing it on stupid shit like a $600 case, or dual 570s.
Epicurus
Because its not important in the slightest. It has little to nothing to do with how well the game runs, and that's what is really important.
@OP
Most people seem to just be listing stupid shit that cost a lot of money, because you said you had a 2k budget. Personally, I would probably wait a few months for the next generation stuff to get on the market.
Few Tips:
You don't need 16 Gb of memory, 8 gig is fine. The best method is to buy 8 gig now, then buy 8 gig later after the price drops.
Similarly you don't need dual Video cards. You would be far better off buying one good video card, and then later buying another later for significantly less.
Don't blow a lot of money on a case. Its just a box that houses the components....it does almost nothing.
Motherboard: Make sure it has support for USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0
Processor: The difference between I7 2600k and 2500k for gaming is almost nil.
PSU: Make sure it is a single 12v rail. Be aware of what you are going to run so you can get the right watt power supply, too much and you waste money, too little and you are hindering your system. This is a crucial part when it comes to gaming, and you need to make sure you do your homework on how much juice your system is going to use.
For example,
7970 will use about 300 watts under full load
I7 2600k will use about 165 watts under full load.
These #s will of course change greatly if you overclock.
Also anyone who suggests you only buy X brand don't know WTF they are talking about. Every company makes good and bad products, and they should be judged on a per case basis.
I also don't recommend blowing 2k on a computer unless you have a good job, and just have money to blow. When you buy top of the line components you are paying almost exclusively for research and development of said products. The difference between a 1k and 2k machine is nothing to write home about.
Epicurus