Finally - it's also possible Blizz is just giving some false hints, to make us believe one theory or another, then they roll the game out with something completely different and unexpected
This is exactly what will happen. Whenever I'm waiting on a new blizz game I try to speculate on what will happen. I'm always wrong, every single time. I just don't even try anymore, makes the game more fun.
-I'm fairly positive that the primes (and their minions) can come and go from sanctuary as they please now that the warp-reality worldstone has been shattered and arreat is now supposedly a hotspot of celestial/demonic energy for passage due to that. Which leads me into the question, why does diablo need to possess anyone, unless he is trying to hide himself/trick someone? There should be nothing preventing him from manifesting himself as he truly is.
-The black soulstone "is the key". I won't spoil too much (though some is still uncertain), but the black soulstone is more of a way to generate/steal power than manifest one's self in a hidden world via a possession, seeing as how the world is no longer hard to find/travel to. Maybe there will still be possessions for diablo, though mergers are now just as if not more likely. In the black soulstone cinematic, leah reveals azmodan coming to arreat crater (where the worldstone shattered the mountain into pieces) with his legions of minions. Azmodan claims he will become the prime evil using the soulstone.
Thats great Kodachii im trying to get ppl to think and so we can have a discussion so yes thats true the worldstone is no long here so yes he could but that also leads into even though cain has tought leah why is she getting all these visions then. Like she isn't apart of the horadrium and the only ones who got visions or nightmares have been the ppl who had a prime evil in them or their essence. If it isn't leah then what is her big role other then taking over what Cain has started. In the cinematic and in the beta we see she doesn't have really that much interest in it because she has been forced into the profession by deckard even though she doesn't hate her uncle for it. I don't know much about the Black soulstone but i do know about the soulstones. Also i would love to know more about it so if u want to pm about it so u don't have to worry about spoiling it for everyone else that would be amazing.
In the book of cain, there are some details from deckard's ancestor about the hunt for the prime evils. It notes that tyrael was impressed with the sacrifice of Uldyssian who was a Nephalem (demon+angel hybrid) basically on the verge of having god like power beyond that of demons and angels but chose forsake those powers and even his humanity to save his world. That was the point at which Tyrael starts believing in the potential of humans(nephalem) and I do believe then later instructs the horadrim how to use soulstones to trap the prime evils in sanctuary. For more information about Uldyssian you can check out the wiki but I think he realized over time that he and others had the birthright of the nephalem and ultimately made his way to the worldstone and removed the limitations it had on him and his edyrem followers. His power being such as it was (as a nephalem with powers from angels and demons/lillith), what he had done to the worldstone could not be undone by inarius and overcame inarius ultimately. only to be shackled by tyrael. Seeing his bretheren battling both heaven and hell he was eventually able to break the shackles from tyrael and froze time and removed the angels and demons from sanctuary. He tried undoing all the destruction that had occured, but his powers started to disobey him and destroy, he felt he had no other choice than to bottle that destruction within himself and release it in the void. Tyrael was also the deciding vote (after the sacrifice, and despite the fact he originally thought very little of humanity), to allow the nephalem to continue to exist, supposedly outside the influence of demons and angels (which infuriated imperius who thought highly of tyrael beforehand and saught the destruction of sanctuary from the beginning). This however obviously was not to be, and so the conflict between heaven and hell continued affecting sanctuary.
One of the horadrim specifically entrusted with the soulstone by tyrael was named Zoltun Kulle. During their battle with (I think it was) baal, one of the nephalem notes Kulle was mishandling the soulstone, which resulted in it being shattered into smaller pieces during the battle, which meant the stone was no longer powerful enough to contain the evil itself, and ultimately led to Kulle suggesting someone trapping baal and his essense in the stone in themselves- leading to the untimely death/posession of the leader Tal Rasha (IIRC). Later after all was said and done Kulle becomes obsessed with the soulstones. He became so powerful that he could not die, so the horadrim sought him out and apparently cut him into two and sealed his body.. However it has been revealed in a gameplay video even that Kulle is up to no good in the underground vaults of act 2 Diablo 3, and that he's been creating or created a black soulstone which can contain the essences of multiple beings.
This combined with the fact that Leah has the black soulstone somehow (I'm guessing after act 2 leading into act 3) and she forsees azmodan seeking the stone for power in order to become "the" prime evil, and also combined with the fact that in datamined information also posted here in the lore (I do believe) diablo uses the essences of other prime and even lesser evils.
All of this makes sense when you consider all of the evils were once one of the 7 heads of a massive dragon entity Tathemet split off from Anu, the original celestial being who saught to be free from inner turmoil.
So the evils are trying to use humanity, and the angels are somewhat split about whether to destroy humanity to prevent them from being used (or the fact that they're half demon) or let it have a chance and play out. The horadrim have been the evils rivals in terms of power from sanctuary(Uldyssian aside), however they may be what gives the evils their greatest opportunity for greater power with this whole black soulstone ordeal w/ Kulle.
However now with the tampered with, alternate reality stolen worldstone destroyed- even if the prime evils abuse the new highway from hell to sanctuary, and the black soulstone, they still have to deal with nephalem who are, like Uldyssian, finding their powers are growing quickly, not even altered by a world stone.
Possible spoiler alert read on if u wish to be spoiled
Ah ok ic so the black soulstone is like a power syphon that takes power away from the entity they decide to use it on. If so that is probably how they defeat Kulle in act 2 i think it was but then if someone who gets ahold of it then since kulle is immortal and can't be killed that would pose to be a problem. And since it obsorbs evil from what ur saying thats probably is why it is givin its color because black is esentially associated to be a evil color. That still makes me thing since she has some of diablos essence in her that she could be ued as a conduit for diablo to regain his form and take her body over and use her as the design for his form.
We're not exactly positive what it does. But if you look at what soulstones have done in the past (contain prime evils), and look at what azmodan has to say about the black soulstone (it is "the key", and he will use it to become the prime evil, or how the person azmodan is talking to "tricked his bretheren who fell one by one"), then you also consider the datamined info where Diablo is using the essences of other prime/lesser evils, and given the images of diablo where he looks like the other evils+himself merged into one (like the legs of andariel, the arms of mephisto, the face/horns of baal)... Maybe the soulstone is a way to merge entities into one, or trap the essence of weakened entities. Maybe diablo is trying to re-create the ultimate being, or his cut off spawn tathemet, to put an end to the war between heaven and hell. Who really knows. The soulstone may not just stop at merging prime/lesser evils. Originally, demons and angels came from one all powerful being. I don't think it can effect the nephalem, seeing as how they are basically similar to the original being Anu and not a demon/angel, however who really knows.
Lol i see. Like i know all the basics of the lore and i have been reading the lore and story post on this section of the forum so i have gotten a lot of info fom there and I have been watching ForceSC2stratedgy for his content on D3 and his lore series so i have a decent handle on the lore. I havn't been able to pick up the books and i would love to get a better idea on what the other angels, demons, Tathemet, and even trang' oul because fro what i have read Trang' oul was the gaurdian to keep the balance of good and evil and im starting to really get off topic sorry. Mostly though fro meverything i have read and seen I have a good feeling that Leah is going to be the main character that brings back Diablo's return.
I hope it's not a woman, no offence. I've always thought of Diablo as... BEEFCAKE, and a female body just doesn't cut it!
haha this made me giggle!
I was hoping we'll meet someone later in the game that diablo will take shape as. ...though the story does seem to point to Leah for the time being. Or Adria.
I'm betting on Leah too, BUT i hope they don't turn it into some lame story where you sacrifice something important to save her and come out the classic hero who gets the lady...
After seeing the end Blizzard came up with for Cataclysm I expect anything from them.
Also, regarding the visions. In Diablo 2 Marius also had a vision of how Tyrael imprisoned Baal within Tal Rasha. He even had some vision of Tristram before meeting the Wanderer. And we know that he wasn't possessed - the visions were sent to him. Perhaps Leah's visions are all the same - sent by some demon, either Azmodan or the ones trapped in black soulstone.
Alright i c where ur coming from but the visions of death and everything that saw of tyreal sealing baal and what leah saw r different. Now it u want to take on what he said in the begining with him having nightmares about the evil coming and pertaining them to leah's then i can c it and u make a valid point. Why i say they are different first of all is because Marius saw the glympse of the past there because diablo was showing him hey this is who we were looking for and look what this angel did to him, Leah she is seeing Azmodan come to her in a dream and talking to her because he is fore warning her of what he is doing. That posses another question for me then because if our theries of Leah are correct who was he talking to was it Leah or was it the essence of Diablo insisde of her. I know i am being farfetched in my ideas but i see how plauseable they are or at least to me they are plausable. I have seen some theroycrafting about Diablo planning everything out and if thats true then im wondering if everything is going to his plan and how he thought it all up to go the way he wants it if i didn't go all according to plan.
Leah seems the choice, but then again we could be introduced to someone else in the game that is a more likely candidate. Leah's mother would be the other. Unless they caught both and used both bodies as a conduit to bring Diablo forth; ones the anchor the other being what is sacrificed to ensure Diablo can cross.
It's possible but that's just a little too obvious to be the case. I'm sure the lore people thought they were really smart in tricking people with the possibility leah becomes diablo, as they basically give away for free that her mother was a witch and her father was the wanderer who was being overtaken by diablo.
However, I think that while Leah may have some role to play in all of that- she doesn't become diablo. They may very well be linked and diablo may very well use her, as he somehow gets the black soulstone which is in her possession at some point. Leah's mother is more interesting to me than leah is.
Also keep in mind diablo's essense is no longer trapped within a soulstone and the worldstone that once hid Sanctuary, in the form it was in, was destroyed and so existing demons basically have free passage to and from the world.
As for the appearance of Diablo, they say what they want and expect the fans to either believe it or suspect the next obvious thing, "oh he's got nice legs" and suspect leah. Again, could be, but it's even more likely that
That's andariel's influence, a lesser evil's power being controlled by diablo apparently.
More info can be found in the "HUGE DATAMINING SPOILERS" thread, but read this:
"Some interesting curses Diablo has.
Diablo_CurseOfAnguish_name Curse Of Anguish
Diablo_CurseOfDestruction_name Curse Of Destruction
Diablo_CurseOfHate_name Curse Of Hate
Diablo_CurseOfPain_name Curse Of Pain"
If you look into it, Anguish is the aspect of Andariel(female long legs), Destruction from Baal (A more flat, plate horned head), hate from Mephisto (Multiple Arms) and Pain from Duriel well I guess that could punch a hole in the theory >:]. Then again can you imagine a bug-eyed centipede diablo.
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
The strong must rule if we are to survive.
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
This is exactly what will happen. Whenever I'm waiting on a new blizz game I try to speculate on what will happen. I'm always wrong, every single time. I just don't even try anymore, makes the game more fun.
-The black soulstone "is the key". I won't spoil too much (though some is still uncertain), but the black soulstone is more of a way to generate/steal power than manifest one's self in a hidden world via a possession, seeing as how the world is no longer hard to find/travel to. Maybe there will still be possessions for diablo, though mergers are now just as if not more likely. In the black soulstone cinematic, leah reveals azmodan coming to arreat crater (where the worldstone shattered the mountain into pieces) with his legions of minions. Azmodan claims he will become the prime evil using the soulstone.
Just some food for thought.
In the book of cain, there are some details from deckard's ancestor about the hunt for the prime evils. It notes that tyrael was impressed with the sacrifice of Uldyssian who was a Nephalem (demon+angel hybrid) basically on the verge of having god like power beyond that of demons and angels but chose forsake those powers and even his humanity to save his world. That was the point at which Tyrael starts believing in the potential of humans(nephalem) and I do believe then later instructs the horadrim how to use soulstones to trap the prime evils in sanctuary. For more information about Uldyssian you can check out the wiki but I think he realized over time that he and others had the birthright of the nephalem and ultimately made his way to the worldstone and removed the limitations it had on him and his edyrem followers. His power being such as it was (as a nephalem with powers from angels and demons/lillith), what he had done to the worldstone could not be undone by inarius and overcame inarius ultimately. only to be shackled by tyrael. Seeing his bretheren battling both heaven and hell he was eventually able to break the shackles from tyrael and froze time and removed the angels and demons from sanctuary. He tried undoing all the destruction that had occured, but his powers started to disobey him and destroy, he felt he had no other choice than to bottle that destruction within himself and release it in the void. Tyrael was also the deciding vote (after the sacrifice, and despite the fact he originally thought very little of humanity), to allow the nephalem to continue to exist, supposedly outside the influence of demons and angels (which infuriated imperius who thought highly of tyrael beforehand and saught the destruction of sanctuary from the beginning). This however obviously was not to be, and so the conflict between heaven and hell continued affecting sanctuary.
One of the horadrim specifically entrusted with the soulstone by tyrael was named Zoltun Kulle. During their battle with (I think it was) baal, one of the nephalem notes Kulle was mishandling the soulstone, which resulted in it being shattered into smaller pieces during the battle, which meant the stone was no longer powerful enough to contain the evil itself, and ultimately led to Kulle suggesting someone trapping baal and his essense in the stone in themselves- leading to the untimely death/posession of the leader Tal Rasha (IIRC). Later after all was said and done Kulle becomes obsessed with the soulstones. He became so powerful that he could not die, so the horadrim sought him out and apparently cut him into two and sealed his body.. However it has been revealed in a gameplay video even that Kulle is up to no good in the underground vaults of act 2 Diablo 3, and that he's been creating or created a black soulstone which can contain the essences of multiple beings.
This combined with the fact that Leah has the black soulstone somehow (I'm guessing after act 2 leading into act 3) and she forsees azmodan seeking the stone for power in order to become "the" prime evil, and also combined with the fact that in datamined information also posted here in the lore (I do believe) diablo uses the essences of other prime and even lesser evils.
All of this makes sense when you consider all of the evils were once one of the 7 heads of a massive dragon entity Tathemet split off from Anu, the original celestial being who saught to be free from inner turmoil.
So the evils are trying to use humanity, and the angels are somewhat split about whether to destroy humanity to prevent them from being used (or the fact that they're half demon) or let it have a chance and play out. The horadrim have been the evils rivals in terms of power from sanctuary(Uldyssian aside), however they may be what gives the evils their greatest opportunity for greater power with this whole black soulstone ordeal w/ Kulle.
However now with the tampered with, alternate reality stolen worldstone destroyed- even if the prime evils abuse the new highway from hell to sanctuary, and the black soulstone, they still have to deal with nephalem who are, like Uldyssian, finding their powers are growing quickly, not even altered by a world stone.
Ah ok ic so the black soulstone is like a power syphon that takes power away from the entity they decide to use it on. If so that is probably how they defeat Kulle in act 2 i think it was but then if someone who gets ahold of it then since kulle is immortal and can't be killed that would pose to be a problem. And since it obsorbs evil from what ur saying thats probably is why it is givin its color because black is esentially associated to be a evil color. That still makes me thing since she has some of diablos essence in her that she could be ued as a conduit for diablo to regain his form and take her body over and use her as the design for his form.
haha this made me giggle!
I was hoping we'll meet someone later in the game that diablo will take shape as. ...though the story does seem to point to Leah for the time being. Or Adria.
After seeing the end Blizzard came up with for Cataclysm I expect anything from them.
Alright i c where ur coming from but the visions of death and everything that saw of tyreal sealing baal and what leah saw r different. Now it u want to take on what he said in the begining with him having nightmares about the evil coming and pertaining them to leah's then i can c it and u make a valid point. Why i say they are different first of all is because Marius saw the glympse of the past there because diablo was showing him hey this is who we were looking for and look what this angel did to him, Leah she is seeing Azmodan come to her in a dream and talking to her because he is fore warning her of what he is doing. That posses another question for me then because if our theries of Leah are correct who was he talking to was it Leah or was it the essence of Diablo insisde of her. I know i am being farfetched in my ideas but i see how plauseable they are or at least to me they are plausable. I have seen some theroycrafting about Diablo planning everything out and if thats true then im wondering if everything is going to his plan and how he thought it all up to go the way he wants it if i didn't go all according to plan.
However, I think that while Leah may have some role to play in all of that- she doesn't become diablo. They may very well be linked and diablo may very well use her, as he somehow gets the black soulstone which is in her possession at some point. Leah's mother is more interesting to me than leah is.
Also keep in mind diablo's essense is no longer trapped within a soulstone and the worldstone that once hid Sanctuary, in the form it was in, was destroyed and so existing demons basically have free passage to and from the world.
As for the appearance of Diablo, they say what they want and expect the fans to either believe it or suspect the next obvious thing, "oh he's got nice legs" and suspect leah. Again, could be, but it's even more likely that
More info can be found in the "HUGE DATAMINING SPOILERS" thread, but read this:
"Some interesting curses Diablo has.
Diablo_CurseOfAnguish_name Curse Of Anguish
Diablo_CurseOfDestruction_name Curse Of Destruction
Diablo_CurseOfHate_name Curse Of Hate
Diablo_CurseOfPain_name Curse Of Pain"
If you look into it, Anguish is the aspect of Andariel(female long legs), Destruction from Baal (A more flat, plate horned head), hate from Mephisto (Multiple Arms) and Pain from Duriel well I guess that could punch a hole in the theory >:]. Then again can you imagine a bug-eyed centipede diablo.