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@Lubsu, Good luck on your long term injuries. If you feel something is hard on your body and you keep doing it, it will take it's toll eventually, and you will deeply regret being stubborn.

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Couldn't agree more with what @Lubsu said. I wouldn't even consider those runs legit since they're using 3rd party software to help them.

watching that Monk spam q,w,e,r at the same time for a minute should go to show that monks, although completely OP now, are still totally boring. What's with all these one skill builds? Then again at this point T6 is pretty much a total joke for most of us.

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I thought it was pretty clear by now, but let's talk about this subject a bit.

Before moving on, we need a little honesty: the only "skill" in spamming abilities is how long you can do it before your body breaks. It will literally cause you long term injury playing like that - we've seen reports on that already. If the game mechanics rewarded well timed button presses, cooldown and resource management, then I guess we could require something different from the high end players - but the fact is it doesn't. I wouldn't waste time arguing on the legitimacy of said tools - Blizzard decides that, not us. And if they haven't done anything against macros or TurboHUD all this time, maybe it's because they don't see any real harm being done.

If we want to see a game where reflexes matter in hitting skillshots, managing resources and cooldowns require assessing complex situations and deciding the best course of action, then you'd probably be looking at a MOBA, an FPS or an RTS. The way D3 is currently set up just doesn't reward that kind of character control. Maybe at higher GRifts, but definitely not on T6.

Now with that said, even in the possibility of him using macros (which is not up to me to prove or disprove), there is still the thought process on which path to follow, when to move from a pack to the other, efficient character movement and enemy priority - and that comes only with training and experience. Some people might watch it and not see anything - I watch that and I see a dozen decisions being made every second, specially on (possibly) "record breaking" speed runs. Because of that, I'm sure even experienced players can find something to admire and relate with in these sorts of runs. Unless of course the viewer just sees it as "random button mashing" - in which case the exposed arguments will not accomplish much.

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Oh, and just so we're on the same page.

I have no quarrel with the criticism on my commentary

Good, because I think your other post is bs. If I weren't lazy I'd comb your post history to see if you have always held this position, or if you are just making an exception for this particular player.

Is every item at max level DH a marauders set piece? I ask because all we ever see is marauder DH builds. It's incredibly entertaining to see such unique builds. lol.

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I watch that and I see a dozen decisions being made every second, specially on (possibly) "record breaking" speed runs. Because of that, I'm sure even experienced players can find something to admire and relate with in these sorts of runs.

"Dozens" of thoughts perhaps, like what to cook for dinner while one-handing a great T6 rift clear time, but very few actual difficult decisions beyond guesstimating where the most mob density usually is on the map. Most people would probably consider those very easy decisions, considering the lack of need to watch and use your cooldowns and resources in a planned manner being what most people attribute as one of the core components to skilled play and thus deserving of respect when combined in their totality. I think an experienced player would be rather more likely to understand that positioning, while extremely important at higher difficulties, is pretty much the easier half to master in this situation and almost completely negligible compared to what is expected from normal play.

People generally admire feats and accomplishments that they themselves think would be difficult to accomplish. Automated gameplay is never deserving of respect, in my opinion, as anyone can do it and in fact you aren't even really doing it yourself but setting up the scene to play out by itself for the most part. Just because Blizzard doesn't take actions against partially automated play in this situation doesn't mean they intend or balance the game to be played in this way or that you can expect people's opinions of it to change. However...

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Yeah very impressive to use autoclicker or macros to push 4 keys sametime and and just move your char. Very impressive idd... just watch how those 4 skills are pushed sametime the whole run and after boss died hes still "pushing" those until he swiched autoclicker or macros off.

Impressive...

I don't think this is the best way to express this opinion, for the overall health of a conversation, and that was the primary problem here. It caused huge walls of text that could have been summed up in a few sentences and derailed the conversation in a negative direction.

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Oh, and just so we're on the same page.

I have no quarrel with the criticism on my commentary, of whether something is admirable or not. That's what I'm here for, to take feedback and criticism. Someone can come out and say this is the worst piece of news they've ever seen on DFans, and we'll have a civil discussion on it.

The issue is I can't just watch public shaming (and judging) of a community member that has recorded and uploaded such footage with good intentions - to show other players it can be done, and how. That's the perspective I'd like my argument to be seen. Please keep that in mind.

This is by far nowhere near the worst piece posted on this site. Compared to previous things that have been so potato and literally misleading/incorrect, this is rather tame. I imagine the moderation of what is posted is likely lax due to D3 not being very exciting on the news front more so than your personal degree of... whatever words you want to use here to describe things that don't even matter.

Shaming is bad, but judging is not (hoping just poor word choice here). If you do not want to be judged, you don't interact with anyone ever. People judge others all the time, and those are how opinions are formed. Some people just don't know how to express those opinions without being an asshat about it (ie: constructively).

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." This video simply shows people, by what the majority experience, an unrealistic standard of play. It says that to be this fast you use automated gameplay to make fewer mistakes. It does not show us someone doing it otherwise, and that is the problem. This person should have expected that and likely only shared to show off to the people that wouldn't catch on or doesn't really care. The standards of what is considered "legitimate" will likely always be up for debate.

I never realized the ability to mash the 1-4 keys was such a highly coveted skill. I assumed that, even without the (perhaps) use of third party software, it would not take much for him to roll his face over the keys as he moved throughout the level.

If someone wishes to challenge this, feel free to. I simply don't understand why people are up in arms when he's not even playing a build that requires timing of certain skills, aiming of certain skills, or anything that isnt just mashing the buttons the second the skills get off cd.