PvP in Diablo 3
Since the first announcement of the PvP interview segment with Jay, and from Sixen's Press Event article. Unfortunately the Beta will be lacking the PvP portion of the game all together. Seeing as this information won't be materialized in game for us until release, following the PvP development is the closest we can get to playing it.
Changes/Additions
In the PvP model at Blizzcon, when you died you were out until the round ended, only able to view the battle from a ghost form which is incapable of interacting with the battle. This caused some gameplay issues seeing as it would always end up being a "last man standing" situation, which Blizzard didn't feel suited their casual approach to PvP. As of now the PvP system supports a team death match style of spawning, where when you die you have X seconds until you respawn into battle. This system bases the winning team off total kills between all players on the team. As team death matches tend to go, the round ends when either team hits the kill cap, or the time limit runs out. Through internal testing they found that players generally enjoyed the PvP experience more seeing as they felt like death didn't remove them from the game. Blizzard also found that this gave players a chance to figure out counters to the opposing team's strategy, which often made for epic come backs.
Official Blizzard Quote:
-Still same arena environment, still kind of feels the same, but when you die, you stay out for a few seconds and then you come back. It bases more on time limit and kill count, which we actually found was a lot more approachable and a lot more fun.
This power purchasing situation is unavoidable, players will find a way to buy items no matter what. The concept of a separate Arena for non-currency traded items only has been brought up among PvP enthusiasts. Problem is this would segregate the PvP community, which is something Blizzard stands firmly against.
Due to the integrated match-making system even if someone spent the money on a leveled character, and all the greatest gear, they would be matched with players with similar character capability. So chances are buying all perfect end game gear for PvP will just pit you against very high caliber players, not some noobs you can smash.
Moving along to PvP player caps, the Blizzcon PvP model only supported 2v2, and 3v3; limiting the player cap to 6. The reasoning behind this low number is not due to technical limitations, but rather clean gameplay, and low visual pollution; same as the 4 player cap in PvE. Many players bring up how Diablo 2 had an 8 player cap. Diablo 3 isn't Diablo 2, both player and monster skills are more visually flashy in D3. Through internal testing they've found the sweet spot for PvP player caps sits between 6 and 8 (3v3 or 4v4). The current 3v3 PvP limitation isn't finalized, as Blizzard is currently testing 4v4 matches in the Arena.
Official Blizzard Quote:
We’re actually playing around with the max being 4 per team, which is 8 players total, but that’s still 4 per party. By the way, that’s not confirmed, we’re just playing around with it. Ideally, we’d love for parties in PvP to be 4 players.
Official Blizzard Quote:
You're gonna die, cause it's hardcore mode. So if you don't want to die don't go into the Arena.
Official Blizzard Quote:
The PvP strike team that focuses on that area, they are pretty nervous about it. Their basic feeling is that if that is what happens, then hardcore characters just won’t PvP. But then there was hardcore dueling in D2 so we may change that. We may allow hardcore PvP players to play without dying. That being said, I still want a way for hardcore players to duel even if not at ship. I am going to push for a way. Even if its basically just a place where you can go in the world where you are flagged for PvP. Even if it is that simple, there is a community, even if it’s a small community that I want to support. Those fuckers are crazy. Part of me is like aww you crazy bastards.
Non-competitive PvP Environment Blizzard has long made games based on close competition. Ranging from the calculated multitasking of StarCraft, to the skill casting hot key tracking ways of World of Warcraft. In both franchises the games have been balanced around PvP; Diablo 3 will be different. Blizzard has chosen to persistently steer clear of heated competition while developing Diablo 3. Determine to base the game around PvE, it seems PvP comes secondary when making development decisions.
Skills in PvP will not be reworked from the ground up, but will instead be tweaked via under-the-hood changes. Things such as stun, freeze, or snare effects will be tuned down for PvP separate from PvE. A main reason for Blizzard not completely overhauling each skill for PvP separately is that it would cause your character to play very differently in PvP than in PvE, thus causing a disconnection of the gametypes. Even further detailing this concept, Force asked Jay Wilson about this during their interview over at Blizzard headquarters.
Official Blizzard Quote:
What we have is within the data of the skill, we have these things called snows that are little containments of data. You can open up the magic missile snow and see everything that magic missile does. We have this other column that is for PvP and it can take any of the attributes for the regular skill and change it. We primarily use it to change how long a stun lasts or… We don’t have any diminishing returns and we are hoping not to. Cooldowns and damage could change but we try not to mess with those because they are really tricky. Crowd control durations; those are the big things that tend to change that are game breaking.
Official Blizzard Quote:
-when people say “BARB IS TOTALLY OP!!!” we’re going to be like “yeah… he probably is.”
Official Blizzard Quote:
You can’t give the people an e-sport set up and then say it’s not an e-sport. If you are going to commit to that, then you have to commit to it. It’s not an e-sport, we are not going to do that high of level of feature set. It’s also one of those things where, from the outside it looks like we have endless time and budget but the truth is we don’t. The truth is we work our butts off to get the game out and we make choices and adding features like that to make it an e-sport when it’s not a goal for us, when we could be spending those dollars making the PvP game better or the PvE game better, we are going to spend the money there.
Instead of a stat based ranking system, players will have a PvP "level" that will be viewable right on your character banner. These levels are progressed through by simply playing the PvP game mode. Winning will progress you faster through the levels, but it is possible to reach the same levels no matter how much you lose. Jay touches on this during an interview with Force. There will also be no win/loss ratio stats being tracked. Your PvP level will represent how much time you've played in the Arena, not at all being based on any sort of ratios.
Rewards, and Wishlist Features.
While understanding Blizzard's firm stance on a casual PvP mode one might ask, what features will PvP be lacking?
One idea currently endangered is the spectator mode. In StarCraft2 this feature is necessary considering the e-sport aspect of the game. In Diablo 3 the feature still has a niche, and surely would be entertaining but due to the time constraints the development team is under, unnecessary features are put on the back burner.
Official Blizzard Quote:
It is actually on a list, but it’s pretty low down on the list because there are a lot of things that would be cooler to do and without it being an e-sport… replay is kind of an e-sport feature.
Official Blizzard Quote:
-We know we are going to have some balance issues, and it’s a lot easier to control if we’re not balancing for different kinds of modes, so right now we’re just focused on the one.
Official Blizzard Quote:
We have definitely talked about some other modes. Not at ship but who knows about the future. I really like the idea of a mode that involves monsters and players of some kind. We have played around with modes like that but the biggest issue was that they didn’t feel like Diablo. I think that was just the design we had but there is a way to do it that feels like Diablo.
As for rewards is seems there will be many achievements to complete in PvP, which could provide some type of reward. There are also titles, which will likely be similar to the Diablo 2 title system.
Official Blizzard Quote:
Right now there is a whole array of PvP oriented achievements and titles and part of the banner, the crest of the banner, is dedicated just for PvP. So as you get to higher and higher ranks, it levels that up.
- PvP Crest (Top of the banner): Where your PvP, "Level" will be showcased on your banner.
- Achievement Tally Marker: Your completed achievements will be showcased on either side of your banner.
- Highest Completed Difficulty Status: Highest difficulty completion is shown.
- Hardcore Identifier: Do you not fear death?
- Party Member Listing: Each player in your party is represented by their unique banner flag.
- Quick Join Listing: Located under the banner, you'll be able to join other players also looking for matches.
- "Social" Button: Presumably all of your friends will be listed, even while playing other Blizzard games.
- Profile (Helm): Where you view your in-game possessions and character details.
- Achievements (Shield): View you achievement progress.
- Auction House (Gavel): Links directly to the AH.
- Drop Listing: (Bottom left) This drop listing hasn't been detailed, though from its location it could have something to do with the chat box.
- Chat Box : Can't have Diablo without one!
- General Menu Listing:
All in all Blizzard has taken a different approach to PvP in Diablo 3. Instead of being the end game jewel it was for Diablo 2, it is now simply another way to test your character with friends. Through extensive PvE development, we can only hope there is a lasting PvE endgame being stowed away beyond our knowledge, since PvP isn't looking to be developed to fill in endgame content. Although PvP is not the main focus of the development team, it is sure to acquire a fan base all its own.
Be sure to check out Sixen's Give Me Options or Give Me DEATH! article where you can vote on your preferred type of auction house, and listen to DiabloCast Episode 20.
Get pumped for the Beta by reading Magistrate's More Beta Buildup article.
Don't forget to update your Beta profile! More details in ScyberDragon's Important Beta Profile Update article.
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there should be an arena where your character comes in naked, and you choose a set of weapon/armors from a pool of pre-determined gear. Sounds fun and new, and i can hear people saying " I NEEDZ MAH GEEERS MAN!" already.
but as for the idea, i'm sorta torn. there are certain benefits you gain from gear, certain + skill, life, etc, bonuses that help to augment your character. it's customization, and pvp benefited a ton from the customization in D2, at least in the less serious duels. While there may be "optimum" builds, there's still variations in gear which are chosen because of play style.
If we're looking at making D3 ultra competitive, maybe preset gear selections would be a good idea.... but since there won't be an enigma in the game, I don't think gear will really be too big of an issue.
Well, i guess the whole point of pre-determined pool of gear meant that you pick maybe out of a selection of 3-4 before you fight, but there are a few issues.
1) people could take too long in choosing, takes away from the "fast" pace of pvp
2) luck of the draw in item spawn
If you played a tournament in magic the gathering, there's this type where you open like 10 booster packs and make a deck out of that. I guess it would be interesting if d3 had it the same way. you pick gear, then drag drop your skills in skill slot... based on whatever item you chose.
I am sure people will find a way to make it competitive and Diablo 2 the characters were pretty balanced but the items were not (Enigma, Elemental Absorb, Etc,...)
I still have faith that blizzard will not mess this up, if they mess this up they will lose so many people because the diablo fanbase is huge and people have been waiting for way to long.
Lets hope they dont pull a Duke Nukem (heard it was bad).
I feel like complaining about the RMAH is a little naive, though. RMAH isn't actually helping people with money get the best gear. It's creating an outlet that allows blizzard to get more money for developing more games, or whatever internal stuff they're doing. I see no issue with this as long as we're not taken advantage of.
The misconception about the RMAH is this: the rmah is a new outlet for players with money to get the best gear.
I think what people forget is that there are dedicated websites for selling gold. People can buy gold and in turn, since it's supposed to be the monetary value of the game, they are able to afford better equipment than you. The RMAH is allowing You to sell those items to these people rather than allowing some website not affiliated with Diablo to reap the benefits.
Money in Blizzard's pockets
Money in our pockets
Avoid supporting third party websites
Win-Win-Win situation.
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let me rephrase something I said earlier. it is helping them get gear. but it is not new. they would be able to get the gear anyway.
plus, if the general consensus is that people don't want real money to drive who has the best gear in diablo, don't sell your items on the RMAH. Don't be greedy.
What you say is to have two games in one.
To my knowledge Blizzard do not want to do that, they have learn from WoW already.
The gears is what's going to make us interested in putting them on, and do pvp with. Not an arena that is always balancing hungrily, morfing out of stuff that is the forbidden knowledge to the Diablo heroes' mind.
The loots are the ones who gets to tell us what should we do with them.