I switched from Echoing Blasts to Bombardment. I find that bombardment works quite well on stationary builds, and its definitely more damage. So Im basically using the same skill setup with that change, feels good to have to handle hatred again.
PLUS, I dont know you guys but I get the feeling im melting down a mob... I guess thats what channeling does.
Yeh, i think this is something we wont ever see b/c of the hellfire rings.... id like it to be able to craft boots
Boots already roll a fair amount of main stat, I think they wouldn't be able to be better than set ones and their bonuses anyways.
I'd craft for my main to be honest, but if I know its almost impossible to get an upgrade, then I guess I'd pick another class and craft for him, one you enjoy using once in a while.
Btw, Jaetch and Foroese, I sent you both friend requests, woke up today to find some more stuff sold on the AH and thought I might invest it on my Wiz, I can basically do anything with my DH anyays. So yeah, if any of you guys are on and willing I would love to get some advice on what to get.
Thanks everyone for the responses, so basically I need more mitigation, could use some extra defensive and LS skils for the time being. Yeah I really didnt die to ANYTHING, but RD mobs, Arcane's were difficult but then I got the hang of it and started evading them with teleport. Ill see what I can do, but im definitely gonna start getting more all ress and armor.
Well im not an expert on wizards but I like to dabble in all classes so I can understand them all.And you my friend shouldnt be doing MP9 35K HP.U need over 40K.Says here in the bnet profile u have 415 all res.That's way way too low. If I were you I would get a better amulet without the LoH get more defensive stuff on it. like all res. Inna's pants when ure ona budget shouldt be bought. I think some blackthorn pants with high LoH 50+ all res and armor are pretty cheap and they add lots of EHP.
I think u exaggerated a bit on the dps for defensives. U should get a zunimassa chest piece its so damn good and cheap with like 230+ vit and good all res + u get the 3 set bonus which is better than most 3 set bonuses.( for monks at least ).
Yea so your problem in short is EHP, which means u need more vit allres and some armor.Some armor would be pretty sweet 3.5k-4k is the target usually.And with the blackthornes u should get that np.
Thanks for the response. I actually dont run with 415 resists, my wizard has about 600-650, guess the resistance added by intelligence doesnt show? Not sure but yeah, maybe even 600 is too low. I ran with low HP because that was how I saw most CM wizards going, but I've also thought about it too. The thing is, how do you pass from dying with 600 resistances on reflect mobs to out healing the reflect when the only thing you have is LOH? Sure I could get more resistances but will it make that big of a difference? If LoH is all CM's use wouldnt higher dps people have even more trouble with the reflect mobs? Unless I need to stack over 900 resistances then maybe that would make sense.
Also, the reason I chose my gear is because of he IAS, if I switch to the piece you mentioned CM wouldn't work that well I guess.
So Ive always thought CM wizards are fun, I myself had a budget CM wizard that I ran around with sometimes. However, yesterday after purchasing gear for my DH I found out I had some gold left from selling stuff, not enough for an actual upgrade for my DH, but enough to buy stuff that would boost my DPS and all on my CM wiz. So my DPS went from 95k to 147k and I managed to boost resistances, a little bit of HP, and keep my LoH and Attack Speed on top of the 2.5 mark.
It was amazing the efficiency that I ran MP9 with, however, all the fun and frozen wonders ended when I encountered a Reflect mob. I managed to kill myself faster than I ever thought I could.
DH's have an obvious solution for Reflect mobs, and so do all other classes due to the fact they stack LS and not LoH. Im at around 1100 - 1200 LoH, which I thought was enough, so my real question to all you pro wizards out there who have tons of experience with the class is, how do you deal with these reflect mobs? I've been gearing other classes up in order to understand all of them better and have a better idea of how they work, however, this thing on the wizard just caught me off-guard.
Theres no bug with sentires, you just have very very low resistances, and if your friend is less geared than you then well, he might even have lower resistances. I think that's the problem, a 40k HP pool is nothing without the proper mitigation.
Get the resists up and you'll be fine, I dont think I die if a beam touches me and I dont have gloom on, even though I take 30% more damage than you do, so yeah, concentrate a little bit more on defense.
There is many DH problems. But 2 of them are dependant on the other, theres 2 routes to fix it.
On one side, spells of DH looks to be doing correct damage coefficients. Some of them just cost way too much. They just have terrible mechanics or next to no practical use in the meta game. Look at cluster arrow, look at how shit that thing is compared to HotA or WoL. It does less damage then either of these, cost more ressource, oh and best of all its radius and way of use is just pure shit.
So if you dont fix the shit ass mechanics, you gotta buff the damage, DH has nothing that stacks togheter like others. The best DH can do is stack Spike traps echoing blast and spam bola shot at the same time. Its still not close to the damage A HotA barb like me can punch up or a good monk, My rend crit ticks for more then a DH bola shot can crit in the same gear. My HotA hits for more then 6 spike traps ever could. Because im buffing myself to 400kpaper dps when im in combat. Even if that DH had straight 400k paper dps he does not get close my my kill speed. I know one of my best friend is a DH. I personnally left the class after they nerfed inferno and farming became so easy, DH was only good to finish inferno in the first week of this game.
Passive like Shaprshooter and Steady aim looks good on paper, but they are just pure shit. There is very little synergy in DH passives unlike every other classes. Even WD has some crazy passive synergy to pump up some massive dps with the correct gear.
The last problem, Healing for DH is an aboslute chore and literally forces every single DH build ever to use Shadow power gloom, you cant have a build without it and farm any high MP. If you do you are an idiot, thats what the game is telling you. Why is that? No its not because Shadow power gloom is OP. Have you ever tried to get Life steal or loh as a demon hunter? DH gets by far the worse coeficient of healing. LS because of the low damage, look at the huge LS from shadow power, i get better life steal tick as a barb or a monk with 6% lol. Dont even get started on LoH, DH spell has the worse coeficient out there. To have any meaningful healing a DH needs 15% LS from gloom, its not possible to survive with anything less.
All of these problems could be fixed with some rebalance, ei: give DH better healing coeficient on spells, change one of the trash passive to LS (Brooding lol, im regenerating 1% of my life per second useful lol!). Reduce hatered cost dramaticly or update the damage to match other classes expensive moves or make their mechanics not suck.
To anyone telling these DH they are not correct to ask for help, get the hell out of here. DH is pretty much the only class that is not optimal to play in groups at high MP. You dont want the DH there at all, hes just slowing you down compeltly. Give me a Sac WD or Zombie bear. Hell next patch give me an archon wizard, anything produce more damage or brings more useful buffs. That is why they need help, if you cant understand that then stop posting in this thread.
At last, someone who doesn't main a DH who actually sees the issue with neutral eyes.
I do know what you want, you want to play mp10 no matter what the consequences. No reasoning, no thought process, you just WANT.
Very stimulating conversation with colorful comebacks so far guys.
Nah, lets get this straight. I don't want to play for the fact i'm playing MP10. I can play MP10 if I want to, take a lot more time than the other classes, but still be able to clear it.
What I want, and this I do want, is to be able for DH's in general to do ubers on high MP's, solo high MP's, and do them effectively, like every SINGLE class in the game does. You say we are better on lower MP's than other classes, that's frankly not true, let me explain you why. DH's start gearing, and once they have decent DPS and stuff they start playing higher MP's, the reason why DH's can handle MP5 better than say a Barbarian that handles MP5, is because he wasted twice the money that the Barbarian did JUST to be able to play MP5. So in MP5 maybe sheet dps matters, so the Barbarian has half the DPS the DH has, and well, also got it for half, so naturally the DH will do better. But once the Barbarian gears himself up, boom, hes on MP8 while the DH is still on MP5, even if he should be geared enough with his dps and hp to do mp8, have you ever seen a Monk or a Barbarian with end-game gear do low MP's? They can run through it just as we do, and even faster... see where I'm going?
You want us to be satisfied by the fact that our effectiveness will always be lower MP's, well of course its always going to be lower MP's, cause most of the DH's out there cant do higher, HP on mobs scales so much its just stupid to try, so that means we wont be able to do high MP ubers unless we find people we know, cause in a public game the guys will say, "no, youre a DH, we need efficiency, so you cant come. but HEY, remember, go do MP5 cause youll rock at it."
That doesn't make sense, and the fact you think the class was designed to stay at lower MP's amuses me really. Why would blizzard focus the last 3 months of its work on content that aims mostly towards 4 classes and not include the 5th? Its done, its a problem, the class has a problem, and it needs to be fixed, you have a different point of view and Im cool with that, but not only DH's know about this, ive seen monks, barbarians, witch doctors, wizards, basically everyone saying DH cant compete with them because it simply sucks.
I want balance, I want to be able to enjoy the WHOLE game, and not limit myself to lower MPs just cause the class I chose and like is the only one who doesnt pack enough damage to join the other classes on higher MPs, its not fun wasting countless gold on gear to see someone do half the work and have more benefits than we do, it has to be fixed, or the class will die.
+ disc items will make this run a breeze, allowing you to pop gloom while vaulting past packs that have any kind of danger of killing you. I hardly even use prep, but keep it anyway for emergencies, just like the OP said.
The unfortunate thing is that +Disc items tend to lose more valuable DPS-related stats/modifiers.
Yeah true, but if you're gonna vault awat from elites you really dont need THAT much DPS, they are white mobs after all. Could work, i'll give it a try
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PLUS, I dont know you guys but I get the feeling im melting down a mob... I guess thats what channeling does.
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Boots already roll a fair amount of main stat, I think they wouldn't be able to be better than set ones and their bonuses anyways.
I'd craft for my main to be honest, but if I know its almost impossible to get an upgrade, then I guess I'd pick another class and craft for him, one you enjoy using once in a while.
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You do know your Battle tag is right in your sig right? o.o
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Hope to see you in game,
And once again thanks for the feedback
PS: Sorry for double post
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Thanks a bunch!
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Thanks for the response. I actually dont run with 415 resists, my wizard has about 600-650, guess the resistance added by intelligence doesnt show? Not sure but yeah, maybe even 600 is too low. I ran with low HP because that was how I saw most CM wizards going, but I've also thought about it too. The thing is, how do you pass from dying with 600 resistances on reflect mobs to out healing the reflect when the only thing you have is LOH? Sure I could get more resistances but will it make that big of a difference? If LoH is all CM's use wouldnt higher dps people have even more trouble with the reflect mobs? Unless I need to stack over 900 resistances then maybe that would make sense.
Also, the reason I chose my gear is because of he IAS, if I switch to the piece you mentioned CM wouldn't work that well I guess.
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It was amazing the efficiency that I ran MP9 with, however, all the fun and frozen wonders ended when I encountered a Reflect mob. I managed to kill myself faster than I ever thought I could.
DH's have an obvious solution for Reflect mobs, and so do all other classes due to the fact they stack LS and not LoH. Im at around 1100 - 1200 LoH, which I thought was enough, so my real question to all you pro wizards out there who have tons of experience with the class is, how do you deal with these reflect mobs? I've been gearing other classes up in order to understand all of them better and have a better idea of how they work, however, this thing on the wizard just caught me off-guard.
Hope for an answer soon!
Here's my armory: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Incite-1794/hero/23320687
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Get the resists up and you'll be fine, I dont think I die if a beam touches me and I dont have gloom on, even though I take 30% more damage than you do, so yeah, concentrate a little bit more on defense.
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At last, someone who doesn't main a DH who actually sees the issue with neutral eyes.
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Nah, lets get this straight. I don't want to play for the fact i'm playing MP10. I can play MP10 if I want to, take a lot more time than the other classes, but still be able to clear it.
What I want, and this I do want, is to be able for DH's in general to do ubers on high MP's, solo high MP's, and do them effectively, like every SINGLE class in the game does. You say we are better on lower MP's than other classes, that's frankly not true, let me explain you why. DH's start gearing, and once they have decent DPS and stuff they start playing higher MP's, the reason why DH's can handle MP5 better than say a Barbarian that handles MP5, is because he wasted twice the money that the Barbarian did JUST to be able to play MP5. So in MP5 maybe sheet dps matters, so the Barbarian has half the DPS the DH has, and well, also got it for half, so naturally the DH will do better. But once the Barbarian gears himself up, boom, hes on MP8 while the DH is still on MP5, even if he should be geared enough with his dps and hp to do mp8, have you ever seen a Monk or a Barbarian with end-game gear do low MP's? They can run through it just as we do, and even faster... see where I'm going?
You want us to be satisfied by the fact that our effectiveness will always be lower MP's, well of course its always going to be lower MP's, cause most of the DH's out there cant do higher, HP on mobs scales so much its just stupid to try, so that means we wont be able to do high MP ubers unless we find people we know, cause in a public game the guys will say, "no, youre a DH, we need efficiency, so you cant come. but HEY, remember, go do MP5 cause youll rock at it."
That doesn't make sense, and the fact you think the class was designed to stay at lower MP's amuses me really. Why would blizzard focus the last 3 months of its work on content that aims mostly towards 4 classes and not include the 5th? Its done, its a problem, the class has a problem, and it needs to be fixed, you have a different point of view and Im cool with that, but not only DH's know about this, ive seen monks, barbarians, witch doctors, wizards, basically everyone saying DH cant compete with them because it simply sucks.
I want balance, I want to be able to enjoy the WHOLE game, and not limit myself to lower MPs just cause the class I chose and like is the only one who doesnt pack enough damage to join the other classes on higher MPs, its not fun wasting countless gold on gear to see someone do half the work and have more benefits than we do, it has to be fixed, or the class will die.
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Yeah true, but if you're gonna vault awat from elites you really dont need THAT much DPS, they are white mobs after all. Could work, i'll give it a try
Thanks for the post