RMAH is not as prominent anymore because the best item will be in AH for 800mil-a billion gold
thats more than the 250 dollars cap if u sell your gold at current price of US$.35
no i picked up all items thats why I can tell that I did actually get more loot on mp1 than 0. I am not saying I get double 2-3 times more loot. but my bag fills quicker and count wise i would say half a bag or less on average.
when u are picking loot selectively and not running the same route thats when u skew your data, having said that i do have this variance on my run because the cave on field of slaughter can have 5 different spawn location, sometimes i find it right away meaning i get to encounter less champ/elites.
i didnt count how many elites, goblin and chest I encounter. and that could be a big deal, yes an area can have 2 goblin spawn, I have seen it many times (KD2, VoA to name a few) so please do not say this is false information. i run enough key runs to that sometimes an area is barren. u can get 5 stack from festering wood easily but it doesnt always happen. black canyon mines u can usually find a few champ/packs but there are times i only found 1, arcanus and sewer has at least 1 but u usually can find more. same with towers and keep 3 in act3.
why all rare weapon ilvl62 and above? ilvl 60/61 items all can roll max damage and stat when killed on monster lvl 63 (mp0 act 3 or any mp above that). before 1.0.4 that might be the case but it is no longer hold true.
i agree with the time added to runs but if it is only merely a few minutes more won't u take the extra 25% more mf? as a ww barb you don't want to go too low because its harder to keep your berserker up and that actually slows u down. i run on mp2 this week because it gives me decent fury regeneration (even with 5pc IK and fury passive mp1 is difficult, i have tried mighty weapon and it works quite well on mp0 but on mp2 mace is better) without compromising the speed of the run
So, in theory, I would need about 7.1% life steal to counteract reflect damage completely.
And that's why BARBS are overpowered, because they can get up to 9% thx to the belt.
And FYI other classes specific gear doesn't have ANYTHING special. Like DH's cloaks can't roll attack speed (which they should), WD's weps can't roll extra DoT dps which they should, only BARBS benefit from extra possible rolls on their belts...
sure mate, 20% ias on quiver, 100-500 damage on mojo/source and you are saying class specific gear doesnt get anything special? nat legacy set, how powerful is that? QQ more, i hope you play monk then i can understand your complaint. If you play the other 3 as a main then I am not sure what you are smoking man
Also, MP0 is much worse on loot, so I go minimum MP1.
Don't spread false information please.
its not false information. act 1 and 2 aside on mp0, I had ran a dozen of test mp0 and mp1 act 3. the rare count is higher on mp1. in mp0 u get 1-2 rare per elite minimum where on mp1 u get 2-3, very rarely u will only get 1 like in mp0.
strangely enough on my test run. mp0 keeps dropping plans for some reason. I had 6-7 totals in 10 mp0 runs and only 2-3 on mp1. legendaries are pretty even, I actually got more in mp0 but the difference is so minimal that it people shouldn't read so much into it.
MP1 has 1% chance of dropping an additional rare, so your estimate of 1-2 rares (MP0) vs 2-3 rares (MP1) is simply not true, it's - like Huminator says - spreading false information, based on luck/subjective perception/whatever.
One more time: read the magic find thread. If you think there's something wrong, do a proper test yourself (collecting lots of data and not just a dozen of runs, and keep track of all numbers accordingly and not "1-2 vs 2-3 drops"). But don't spread false information.
Your second paragraph makes it look even more ridiculous - the numbers you properly counted are contradicting your theory, but that's supposed to be luck, so "don't read so much into it". Hilarious.
i did collect the data yes it is only a dozen of runs. but where is your proof that all these are false information? I had to at least made an extra run to town to ID and clear out the bags on mp1 consistently, i pick up all items. All my runs are consistent, keep 1-3, the two towers, core of arreat, and the cave in field of slaughter. unless I keep getting goblins on mp1 my data suggest mp1 drops more rare quality loot, no i didnt count the goblins, each run should have 1 chest on ice cavern/cavern of frost, maybe another one in keep depth 1 or 2. Perhaps I should record how many elites as well in each run. But from just item count and observation I still concludes mp1 is better than mp0.
I am curious where you get the 1% additional rare comes from too, have you run the test yourself? is that posted on official guide? mf has been proven again and again that it doesn't yield additional items, before paragon was introduced a extensive goblin run was tested. 200 over runs and the total drop number is relatively the same, regardless of 0% 100% 200% mf, just u get more rares and blues as your mf move up. blizzard has listed this on official game guide too, mf merely bumping up the quality of items, so more blues/whites can be yellow but the number of items drop would be relatively the same. again i farm keys on mp 6-7. without full stack, elites consistently chuck 2-4 rares please do not tell me that merely coincidence and I should stop spreading false rumor? go try it yourself~ you will be lucky to see 2-3 rares on mp0 without full stack, same with chest and goblins. go open or kill them before full stack on mp0 and all you see are mostly blue. do it on higher mp u can see at least 1.
contradicting the number of my count? on what? the legendary or the plan? regarding the plan. the test were done back to back. all mp0 10 times, plan just keep dropping, yes I counted this as rares. I bet some of you has the same experience, rings keep dropping when usually u havent seen one in awhile, back to back runs with exact same legendary drop. how can that be RNG? when there is sooo many legendary to drop and u get multiple ones on the same day.
as for the legendary in 10 runs mp0 yield me 5 legendary, mp1 yield 3. the difference is only 2 in 10 runs thats why i said you should not read into it. but mp1 consistently yield me 1/2-1 bag of rares. I ran mp3 farm the previous weeks, again i observe mp3 consistently more yellow drop compared to mp0 from each elite, goblin and chest. And runnings those 20 runs actually yield me more legendaries than farming mp3 all week the week before if you want to use that against me. But speaking purely yellows mp0 yield less on my runs.
no it wasnt bad vile wards but if can get 200+str 100+vit 70AR plus affixes that u want for the same money. at least you didn't overpay them. i was expecting u paid 2-3m for it
you could consider good unity/litany of the undead/wailing host for 50m too i you want to splurge on 1 item
So, can anyone here offer me some insight? Am I being just too greedy? Should I just jump the gun and get something shiny or try to sidegrade my way into some extra stats? Or is dropping everything into some top end gems advisable?
yes u are too greedy
no dont get tyriel because u will just replace it again
you want to pump ur str. easiest place would be your IK helm. 100 more str for 4 million is a fair price but u lose the armor
glove and pants lacking of str too. yes dont buy sidegrades. get real upgrades and see which one offer you the most increase. high str ice climbers with MS is expensive (with AR too it went crazy)
unity with str random rolls give u a lot of STR too if u want to consider it. oculus is just rubbish. go for litany of the undead if u want AR ones, it gives u damage reduction and crit too
you could go for wailing host with str random roll instead of unity try find average damage. will cost u 50-80m at the very least for either rings
not sure by what u mean doing mid range mp
i dont think u dont need a lot to do mp5 on rend build. I think somebody did that on 6m budget on a thread a few page back and he made very bad purchases, bad IK belt, IK helm, IK glove (all 90 str roll with small vit) no movement speed and he survives mp5, although I think he takes maybe 40 minutes or even more on alkaizer run.
but if u want to "farm" it u might want to consider 150k unbuffed dps at the very least while most streamers I see usually sits at 170-200k dps when farming mp5-6.
better gems at least
i hope u find those vilewards yourself because with what u spent on that alone u afford a set that is much better than what you have
since u have money you want 12% movement speed on boots. IK boots are plenty around 2m buyout, choose one with close to max resist and a useful random roll. if u wanna spend more armor is reasonable, str/vit above 100 are just too much for such little increase they offer
i would definitely start with chest pants and belt because those are quite rubbish. you can get better ones for 200-300k on US realm.
chest and pants u want big VIT (150+) because it rolls up to 300 here, look for less str but 2-3 sockets (you can reduce the socket and increase the str/vit). if u have enough vitality (and AR) then u can forgo it on you glove and bracer because those slot can give you so much dps increase.
bracer 5-6% crit 150str is cheap, add AR and vit there it gets crazy adjust the value as you need. high 30k hp is good for u with enough AR. thats why u really want AR and vit where you can find them without hurting ur dps.
belt 230str 100vit 70+ AR mighty belts are cheap as peanuts and those are better than what you have. add in LS there is a different ball game. if you want LS, IK belt 170+str is as low as 300k in US realm, armor ones you can get 800k or sometime less. of course with IK pieces they are usually with low or no VIT.
at least a crit on amulet u want 8.5% or more and average damage. try to look for crit damage or IAS to pair crit. you can find pretty decent amulet sometimes for a good price.
mine cost 500k, maybe it is a steal I am sure that these usually cost around 1m http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Luna-1865/hero/4164484
just be patient with your purchases. now I am looking for amulet upgrade all of them is 2m+ and just with little upgrades there is really not much point, I am just gonna keep farming low MPs for rares to sell then buy trifecta. same with my rings. I probably replace my helm for 200str+ version.
Also, MP0 is much worse on loot, so I go minimum MP1.
Don't spread false information please.
its not false information. act 1 and 2 aside on mp0, I had ran a dozen of test mp0 and mp1 act 3. the rare count is higher on mp1. in mp0 u get 1-2 rare per elite minimum where on mp1 u get 2-3, very rarely u will only get 1 like in mp0.
strangely enough on my test run. mp0 keeps dropping plans for some reason. I had 6-7 totals in 10 mp0 runs and only 2-3 on mp1. legendaries are pretty even, I actually got more in mp0 but the difference is so minimal that it people shouldn't read so much into it.
nmitty 1.0.5 budget barb guide for gearing. give you a very good base layout what should you go for and how to choose your pieces. he use ww build which most barb use and with his guide u can farm mp1-2 quite easily
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BIN: 100m
quite nice amulet for barb
at this moment only a few rare amulet like this on OH ranging from 75m-100m+
gold plus (or) item trade welcome
buying all unidentified level 60 61 61 rare amulets for 150k each
luna#1865
please write "amulet" when you send the friend request =)
thank you for reading~
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thats more than the 250 dollars cap if u sell your gold at current price of US$.35
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when u are picking loot selectively and not running the same route thats when u skew your data, having said that i do have this variance on my run because the cave on field of slaughter can have 5 different spawn location, sometimes i find it right away meaning i get to encounter less champ/elites.
i didnt count how many elites, goblin and chest I encounter. and that could be a big deal, yes an area can have 2 goblin spawn, I have seen it many times (KD2, VoA to name a few) so please do not say this is false information. i run enough key runs to that sometimes an area is barren. u can get 5 stack from festering wood easily but it doesnt always happen. black canyon mines u can usually find a few champ/packs but there are times i only found 1, arcanus and sewer has at least 1 but u usually can find more. same with towers and keep 3 in act3.
why all rare weapon ilvl62 and above? ilvl 60/61 items all can roll max damage and stat when killed on monster lvl 63 (mp0 act 3 or any mp above that). before 1.0.4 that might be the case but it is no longer hold true.
i agree with the time added to runs but if it is only merely a few minutes more won't u take the extra 25% more mf? as a ww barb you don't want to go too low because its harder to keep your berserker up and that actually slows u down. i run on mp2 this week because it gives me decent fury regeneration (even with 5pc IK and fury passive mp1 is difficult, i have tried mighty weapon and it works quite well on mp0 but on mp2 mace is better) without compromising the speed of the run
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sure mate, 20% ias on quiver, 100-500 damage on mojo/source and you are saying class specific gear doesnt get anything special? nat legacy set, how powerful is that? QQ more, i hope you play monk then i can understand your complaint. If you play the other 3 as a main then I am not sure what you are smoking man
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i did collect the data yes it is only a dozen of runs. but where is your proof that all these are false information? I had to at least made an extra run to town to ID and clear out the bags on mp1 consistently, i pick up all items. All my runs are consistent, keep 1-3, the two towers, core of arreat, and the cave in field of slaughter. unless I keep getting goblins on mp1 my data suggest mp1 drops more rare quality loot, no i didnt count the goblins, each run should have 1 chest on ice cavern/cavern of frost, maybe another one in keep depth 1 or 2. Perhaps I should record how many elites as well in each run. But from just item count and observation I still concludes mp1 is better than mp0.
I am curious where you get the 1% additional rare comes from too, have you run the test yourself? is that posted on official guide? mf has been proven again and again that it doesn't yield additional items, before paragon was introduced a extensive goblin run was tested. 200 over runs and the total drop number is relatively the same, regardless of 0% 100% 200% mf, just u get more rares and blues as your mf move up. blizzard has listed this on official game guide too, mf merely bumping up the quality of items, so more blues/whites can be yellow but the number of items drop would be relatively the same. again i farm keys on mp 6-7. without full stack, elites consistently chuck 2-4 rares please do not tell me that merely coincidence and I should stop spreading false rumor? go try it yourself~ you will be lucky to see 2-3 rares on mp0 without full stack, same with chest and goblins. go open or kill them before full stack on mp0 and all you see are mostly blue. do it on higher mp u can see at least 1.
contradicting the number of my count? on what? the legendary or the plan? regarding the plan. the test were done back to back. all mp0 10 times, plan just keep dropping, yes I counted this as rares. I bet some of you has the same experience, rings keep dropping when usually u havent seen one in awhile, back to back runs with exact same legendary drop. how can that be RNG? when there is sooo many legendary to drop and u get multiple ones on the same day.
as for the legendary in 10 runs mp0 yield me 5 legendary, mp1 yield 3. the difference is only 2 in 10 runs thats why i said you should not read into it. but mp1 consistently yield me 1/2-1 bag of rares. I ran mp3 farm the previous weeks, again i observe mp3 consistently more yellow drop compared to mp0 from each elite, goblin and chest. And runnings those 20 runs actually yield me more legendaries than farming mp3 all week the week before if you want to use that against me. But speaking purely yellows mp0 yield less on my runs.
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you could consider good unity/litany of the undead/wailing host for 50m too i you want to splurge on 1 item
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yes u are too greedy
no dont get tyriel because u will just replace it again
you want to pump ur str. easiest place would be your IK helm. 100 more str for 4 million is a fair price but u lose the armor
glove and pants lacking of str too. yes dont buy sidegrades. get real upgrades and see which one offer you the most increase. high str ice climbers with MS is expensive (with AR too it went crazy)
unity with str random rolls give u a lot of STR too if u want to consider it. oculus is just rubbish. go for litany of the undead if u want AR ones, it gives u damage reduction and crit too
you could go for wailing host with str random roll instead of unity try find average damage. will cost u 50-80m at the very least for either rings
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i dont think u dont need a lot to do mp5 on rend build. I think somebody did that on 6m budget on a thread a few page back and he made very bad purchases, bad IK belt, IK helm, IK glove (all 90 str roll with small vit) no movement speed and he survives mp5, although I think he takes maybe 40 minutes or even more on alkaizer run.
but if u want to "farm" it u might want to consider 150k unbuffed dps at the very least while most streamers I see usually sits at 170-200k dps when farming mp5-6.
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i hope u find those vilewards yourself because with what u spent on that alone u afford a set that is much better than what you have
since u have money you want 12% movement speed on boots. IK boots are plenty around 2m buyout, choose one with close to max resist and a useful random roll. if u wanna spend more armor is reasonable, str/vit above 100 are just too much for such little increase they offer
i would definitely start with chest pants and belt because those are quite rubbish. you can get better ones for 200-300k on US realm.
chest and pants u want big VIT (150+) because it rolls up to 300 here, look for less str but 2-3 sockets (you can reduce the socket and increase the str/vit). if u have enough vitality (and AR) then u can forgo it on you glove and bracer because those slot can give you so much dps increase.
bracer 5-6% crit 150str is cheap, add AR and vit there it gets crazy adjust the value as you need. high 30k hp is good for u with enough AR. thats why u really want AR and vit where you can find them without hurting ur dps.
belt 230str 100vit 70+ AR mighty belts are cheap as peanuts and those are better than what you have. add in LS there is a different ball game. if you want LS, IK belt 170+str is as low as 300k in US realm, armor ones you can get 800k or sometime less. of course with IK pieces they are usually with low or no VIT.
at least a crit on amulet u want 8.5% or more and average damage. try to look for crit damage or IAS to pair crit. you can find pretty decent amulet sometimes for a good price.
mine cost 500k, maybe it is a steal I am sure that these usually cost around 1m
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Luna-1865/hero/4164484
just be patient with your purchases. now I am looking for amulet upgrade all of them is 2m+ and just with little upgrades there is really not much point, I am just gonna keep farming low MPs for rares to sell then buy trifecta. same with my rings. I probably replace my helm for 200str+ version.
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its not false information. act 1 and 2 aside on mp0, I had ran a dozen of test mp0 and mp1 act 3. the rare count is higher on mp1. in mp0 u get 1-2 rare per elite minimum where on mp1 u get 2-3, very rarely u will only get 1 like in mp0.
strangely enough on my test run. mp0 keeps dropping plans for some reason. I had 6-7 totals in 10 mp0 runs and only 2-3 on mp1. legendaries are pretty even, I actually got more in mp0 but the difference is so minimal that it people shouldn't read so much into it.
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how many rings did you make btw?
god those 10 rings/day guys must be jumping up and down and pulling their hairs now