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PLUS makes it super easy for the scrubs/idiots who are to retarded/lazy/dumb to do it. WIN

No one is too retared or dumb to do it. It's a few button clicks. No ones too lazy to do it either.

The problem is that its an action game, and you shouldn't have to do tedious, clunky, menu driven stuff in middle of action based combat to play effectively.

Maybe people who can't understand that argument are the "retarded" ones. Or... maybe people like that hope throwing insults arround will cloud the issue and keep people from noticing that the current MF swap mechanics feel cheesy, sloppy, and a bit stupid.

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I flipped a coin 4 times in a row and got 4 heads. Coins have changed!

... I also have anger-management issues when confronted with low-level innumeracy.

Department of the U.S. Treasury
Urgent Memo

Today we sucesfully launched U.S. Quarter 2012 v. 1.0.4. This update was implemented via DOTUS (Department of the Treasury Update System.) The update ran as a silent install, without propmpting, and required no interaction from the end user. This delivery method was chosen to prevent any inconvenience to U.S. Quarter 2012's extensive user base. In interest of full disclosure, we are including complete patch notes below, listing the many improvements made in U.S. Quarter 2012 v. 1.0.4.

U.S. Quarter 2012 v 1.04 changes:

Aesthetics:
George Washington's hairstyle was updated, in the interest of presenting U.S. Quarter 2012 users with a sleek, modern interface.

We increased shininess by 20%, because U.S. Quarter 2012 users enjoy shininess. We though "Ah, hell. Why not?"

Numeric Function:
Corrected a bug introduced in 1.0.1 which reduced the monitary value of U.S. Quarter 2012 to 24.87 cents. U.S. Quarter 2012 is now worth exactly 25 cents, as intended. The displayed value on the face of U.S. Quarter 2012 was unaffected by the bug, and has always displayed correctly as 25 cents. As a result, the displaced value of U.S. Quarter 2012 did not require any change, and is still displayed at 25 cents.

Material:

The copper layer in the center of previous versions of U.S. Quarter 2012 has been replaced with an equally thick layer of peanut butter in U.S. Quarter 2012 v. 1.0.4. Working on George Washington's hair made us think of George Washington Carver, which in turn made us think of peanut butter, resulting in this modification. The change lessens the environmental impact of U.S. Quarter 2012 production, and increases U.S. Quarter 2012's rate of biodegradation.

Probability:

U.S. Quarter 2012 v 1.0.4 is weighted slightly to effect it's probability table. Recent polls have shown that U.S. Quarter 2012 is a popular coin for "coin flips" among U.S. Quarter 2012 users. Polls also indicate that users are 70% likely to assign the most positive "coin flip" outcome to the "heads" side of U.S. Quarter 2012. To aid our users, we have weighted the "heads" result of "coin flips", raising the probablity of heads to 78%. The less favorable "tails" result has had it's probability lowered accordingly, to 22%. In pervious versions of U.S. Quarter 2012, and its predocessors in the U.S. Quarters product line, these probabilities were set at 50% and 50%, respectively.

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That would be true, if there was no basis for calling this childish. This definitely meets the definition though. There's not anything else to honestly call this.

There are plenty of other things to call this beyond "childish" - Enraged, upset, delusional regarding value of an item, impulsive, not called for, stupid, destructive - the list goes on. To actually base that this has anything to do with childish is kind of.. uncalled for actually.
As very few facts of what can be seen, is even remotely related to the mind of a child, more then someone who could be of any age and relate to a lot of different factors then just simply "child".

I would rate "childish" as a light insult compared to "delusional regarding the value of an item." People generally learn as they grow up, not to do useless things like venting your anger through destroying inanimate objects. Especially over something as inconsequential as a video game. In my opinion, that is very imamture. Immaturity equates to childishness. You are entitled to your own opinion, but don't waste time trying to devalue mine.

(I originally posted this on the official forums, but wanted to see what people think about this situation here. Still liking the game, but this aspect seems a bit messed up to me. )

Some of the design decisions we are getting blue posts on as of 1.0.3 seem contradictory to me. Blizzard seems interested in makign sure the optimal way to play, is stacking NV and running acts or extended sections of acts. They also seem interested in making sure you do this by taking on content you can fight consistently, instead of death flopping your way through. That is one of the stated purposes of the new repair costs. It all makes sense, and sounds fun, on the surface. Then today we get this:

Having to restart a game or skipping packs altogether is also totally fine. As you become more powerful, finesse your builds, and develop a variety of tactics to use in different situations, you'll be able to kill more monsters. If you could kill everything uniformly the first time you stepped into an Act, you'd have a really limited sense of progression and the feeling of becoming "more powerful" wouldn't be as present. The design intent is that some affix packs will unbeatable for you at first, but then you'll come back later and get your sweet (and well deserved) revenge. We feel that making every affix combo equally difficult would take away the satisfaction of overcoming the more challenging combos later on. I posted about this a few weeks ago, and our general philosophy hasn't really changed since then. You feedback is still encouraged, though!

So, the idea is to stack NV and run through the acts, dying as little as possible. But, if cheap, unfair combos come up and you have to die several times, soaking up ridiculuos repair costs, and then have to give up and start another game, losing NV, that is "fine."Being able to easily handle regular enemies, bosses, and most combos of enemies, and then having random content in the same area that is able to.... cover the floor with green plague, teleport you into it, jail you and then have its near invulnerable minions beat you to death in 2 seconds, seems a bit unbalanced, ilogical, and runs counter to the direction your other decisions are going.

I understand that it is so players feel they are making progress, as they gear up enough to overcome these obstacles. Unfortunately though, you have to wade through these things to gear up, and some of them spawn in locations that make them unavoidable. If you are playing "right" at farming content that is 80% easy for you, building NV and then taking on bosses, then a near unavoidable pack spawns in your way, what are you going to do? Before you give up 5 stacks of NV, you are going to make 100% sure you can't beat it probably. And for that, you get punished with crazy repair costs.

I'm disapointed to hear that the devs are satisfied with the randomizationn of affixes. I hope that will be reconsidered, because some of these combinations are interfering with the playstyle you are trying to encourage. I think gearing and perfecting your build as you progress from section to section and act to act gives a sense of progression. Or being able to handle difficult elites more easily, as oposed to dying 3 times. I don't think having some content in an act that is randomly gnerated and exponentially harder to fight leads to a sense of progression. It leads to a sense of frustration.

Nothing wrong with something being difficult, but you have to achieve it through good mechanics, not cheapness. That's all the original inferno was. They took the same mechanics used for the other difficulty levels, then raised all the stats tremendously. It resulted in needing to death flop to act 3, then death flop through act 3 until you found enough gear to trade, so you could actually play properly. The gear levels needed to play Acts 1-3 without using cheap tactics could only be found in Act 3+. Plus the gear needed to make melee viable was higher than the gear needed for ranged kiting classes that it felt unbalanced.

It wasn't simply too hard. It felt poorly designed, cheap and unbalanced. 1.0.3 was a step in the right direction. As others have said, this is a game. Hack and slash RPGs are not meant to be the life consuming time sinks that MMOs are. They are meant to be fast paced, fun and casual. That's just the truth of the genre. Diablo 2 definitely wasn't that hard in the end game either.

You want this game to be something its not going to be, and that most people with lives don't want. It's not happening. Deal.

Also, there's always hardcore if you think you are too good for softcore play. Have fun.

I think he's hilarious. The actor did a great job representing a brain washed, somewhat naive zealot. He's on a highly dramatic holy crusade at the order of people who tortured him until he lost his entire memory.

"But the light is both a literal and figurative foe of darkness!" He sounds so shocked its ridiculuos.

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Why do we randomly believe Kormac at the beginning? My friends and I have running "what if" jokes about Jondar and how he was probably the savior of the land.
At the beginning, we walk up to him being channeled upon. What if he was a murderer and they were trying to save the world? This was our first run-in with the cultists, so to instantly assume hooded people are bad probably shows our has some religious intolerance What if Jondar was actually the "good" guy by leaving the Templar order?
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HOLY SHIT. MInd blown.
This could quite easily be true as we're lead astray by Adria so badly. Zoltan Kulle, Belial etc.

90% of everything you do in Diablo games turns out to be part of the Prime Evil's master plans, so why not?

Been goofing off instead of playing seriously tonight. I got the achievements for doing acts 1 and 2 in less than an hour. And the one for punching Diablo, Pink'd and a bunch of silly stuff. Just felt like doing something lighter than getting one shot on Inferno over and over. LOL!

@graphics The language setting just says "English". Love this game, but it's pretty sad when Blizzard can't launch a patch without messing things up.

"Freedom of speech." LOL!

Freedom of speech is when you are using a public medium, or your own privatemedium.

Going on Blizzard's server that they provide bandwidth and hardware resources for and promoting some other site (regardless of content) is not covered by free speech.

That is more like me going to your house and spray painting "You are a QQing crybaby!" on the front. It's your house. You get to decide how it's painted. It's Blizzard's forum. They get to choose what content is appropriate and what isn't.

Not so complicated, is it?

Interesting how so many people are saying the game is too easy. If Inferno softcore isn't interesting enough for you, there is an entire hardcore progression.

As some who has played 12 hours and is probably about half way through Act 2, I aggree with everyone who is calling this 5 hour claim complete BS. I've taken my time, listened to everything, and explored every nook and cranny. If I find an exit, then look over my map and see dark areas, I'll run back and clear everything, no matter how much back tracking is required. I could see a less thorough playthrough, with less time crafting, listening to lore and conversations, and enjoying the art in the areas, being twice as fast or more. 5 hours through ACT 2, I would believe.

5 Hours through the entire normal difficulty would have to involve getting in groups with higher level players and just running through. Which, if that's the way you want to play, that's your business. But doing that then complaining about the game being short is laughable.

There's no comparison between this and Diablo 2. Diablo 2 locations may have been larger on average, but there was no variety. They wanted every tile to be possible to connect randomly, so there was very little variety, and most locations made very little sense. You just waded through rooms and rooms of the same stuff. Even different dungeons in the same act reused a lot of the same tiles.

In this game, it feels a lot less repetitive because most indoor locations have their own art style, and the level of detail is amazing.

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It's a hack and slash game. It can be beaten fast, or you can take your time and enjoy the acting, the art, and the story. Either way, once you are done, whether it takes 5 hours or 24, you have tons or replayability at higher difficulty levels. I am sure right now that 4 years from now, I will get in moods where I want to break out the crazy gear I've collected over the years and go blow up legions of enemies by myself or with my friends.

The b.net forums are total shit, absolutely worthless, and some facist moderation there is long overdue because the inmates are running the asylum.

There is a subculture of D3 people who think that verbally attacking Bashiok, or Jay Wilson, is the appropriate thing to do; that publically asking for people to be fired is appropos; that responding to every thread telling the world how horrible the game is necessary; and that anyone who thinks that any part of the game doesn't suck should be publically executed along with anyone at Blizzard who worked on D3.

These are mostly the same people who think that spamming the forums with topics will get them attention - it turns out they want a blue response, but they end up with a forum suspension, whoops wrong kind of attention. And they're the same people who respond with "I killed Diablo Inferno back on day 2, I have 1.98 million damage and you're a nub, stfu and l2p" when people ask for advice with their class.

For me it's less about removing opinions and it's more about removing people who are completely disrespectful, and in many cases outright hostile, to any opinion other than their own, including that of the Blizzard employees, and the rest of the community.

The sad thing is that all they accomplish is requiring more time and effort from Blizzard which surely either requires them to have more moderators on their staff (which costs them man-hours and money) or for the existing moderators to work even harder to keep the forums civil. It ultimately slows the communication between players and developers because the sound-to-noise ratio is so low, and that achieves nothing except delaying the changes these people are demanding. So, at the end of the day they are their own worst enemies.

I would have parked my ass in camp in that case and let them 3 man it with the extra difficulty. Go watch tv for a bit. Not a damn thing he could do except start a new game.

Hehe guys prepare yourself for the best pair of pants in the whole of Diablo 3!!

What Bashiok said:


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What really happens:

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I usually co-op when I'm farming - to spice things up, at the end of the run my buddies and I like to place bets on who got the worst ilvl 63 item. As you can imagine there can be some pretty funny results as we consider the stats, slot, and even the name on some atrocious rolls.

Here's one of my recent candidates:


Have you guys come across some truly terrible ilvl 63 items? Please share!

I wouldn't call it "Unintended Consequences" the game itself has to have some kind of progression, Act 3/4 being the "best" of places in the be-all-end-all of things.

You said "Act 3/4 not being a viable choice for the *majority of gamers*" meaning you realize that there is a point in which Act 3/4 is better once you've progressed to it, which is intended. This magic find fix makes it so that all of those people who are using Magic find on real gear that has real stats the benefit that they should of gotten in the first place, all of those people who are able to swap magic find in, shouldn't of been able to do that without having to invest in the real magic find pieces to begin with.

TL;DR: Magic Find change fixes broken mechanics.

Being able to do this, which I loved from the earlier games:

• Enchanting Items: Turning a white item of your selected type into a rare.
• Naming Rares: Honestly, do I need to say why? In either case, it should probably be expensive, obviously. Option to remove the name (as I can forsee this being a focus of whining in combination with the AH)
• Monster Shrines: As mentioned above, those were pretty cool

... aand, let's see:

• Ability to Search in the Journals: My goodness, it annoys me. Only way of managing is within the few categories. Sorting would be great too
• Free Play Mode: A way to link all the acts in one game, with the game acting as on the very last bit of the last quest of each act, just with everything being alive and killable - and being able to go back and forth between acts. Would logically require you to have completeled everything in said difficulty first.

Obviously, the obligatory new act(s) and class(es) too. All I can think of, at this point. Still, I'd buy it no matter what

It's sad to see that so many people only want more and more loot, without thinking about the consequences.
First of all, I DO USE GEAR SWAP for the last hit. And I don't like it. Even if it makes the game easier for me.
Gear swap is actually making the life span of the game shorter, removing choice of itemization and inflating the economy.

Has any of you tought that without gear swap, they effectively create more "endgame"?
Now we're farming for the best survival/dps BOTH in one item.(Some just focus on DPS, but whatever), and you have your MF set on inventory to swap when you need.
If you disable gear swap in any way, you'll need dps/survival/MF all in one item, that makes it WAY more difficult to get "top" gear. It makes the perfect item way harder to find.

It also enables "choice" on this game.
Now you just kill as fast as you can and swap your MF gear in for the last hit.
But let's say you can't, will it be worth killing faster or having a better chance at loot?
Is 20% MF better than 10% crit? For those of you who will say "we will just get both", yeah, you will, but it will be harder to find. Extending the farm needed to get the perfect gear.
Also, in some cases, you won't be able to get both. Get a barbarian now, his perfect gloves have: STR/VIT/AR/CritChance/CritDmg/IAS ... that's 6 stats. If he wants MF, he will need to "opt-out" on one of those. That's CHOICE!

To end this, do you complain that the AH is flooded, that the game is all about the AH and that you can't sell a worthy mid-level item for much more than 50k?
Gear swap causes part of this. With MF gear swap, it's like everyone that uses it, has high MF.
It increases the average MF of players, increasing drop rates of good items(and bad items, increasing materials for crafts).
Theres lots of people with ZERO MF on "normal" gear, that effectively have 200+ on the last hit, just because of gear swap.
Can you imagine the amount of "extra" items this creates everyday? I doubt we would be seeing 50k for 1000 DPS 2 handed weapons so soon without these loads of drops. (The nerfs on inferno also did help on this).
Truth now is we have way too much offer, and way too much mid-level items. There's no demand for that much.
So you can't sell that 2 hand even for 50k, because theres too many others; can't buy better gear because you have no gold, and can't progress on the game. Well, unless you get that lucky drop that will sell for 5M, and spend it on an item that will REALLY help you.

tl,dr: Stop looking at your own nose and try to see the whole. You want the game to last, you want goals to achieve, you want choice on this game. But you also want it easier to farm. That's not possible, sorry.

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PLUS makes it super easy for the scrubs/idiots who are to retarded/lazy/dumb to do it. WIN

No one is too retared or dumb to do it. It's a few button clicks. No ones too lazy to do it either.

The problem is that its an action game, and you shouldn't have to do tedious, clunky, menu driven stuff in middle of action based combat to play effectively.

Maybe people who can't understand that argument are the "retarded" ones. Or... maybe people like that hope throwing insults arround will cloud the issue and keep people from noticing that the current MF swap mechanics feel cheesy, sloppy, and a bit stupid.

A logical argument; how did that find it's way to a diablo3 forum?