Some interesting points raised by Thaya and LordofDestruction regards types of botting, reasons why and ideas on changes/improvements to the game.
If everyone cheats, no one cheats.
Followers in WoW are legal quasi-bots that can aid progress and perform some tasks automatically. There was also a similar system in the Star Wars MMO. These things were integarted into the respective games with no issues whatsoever (well, ok, one can argue Garrisons destroyed the concept of an MMO but that's another discussion).
Maybe a solution (in addition to the great ideas from LoD) could be the introduction of automation of some tasks via a 'limited use' legal bot system or the ability for your followers to do some stuff for you on CD with stripped down results vs. doing it manually?
As for me, yes I am a cheater. I used D3Helper to keep the Taeguk stacks up for my WD (basically spamming Firebats ever 2850 MS). If that gets me banned - then fine. I enjoyed the game, alltho I dislikes that need to push a button to keep up a certain buff.
You'll be happy to know Taeguk has been completely redone for next patch. Having to continually spam skills for stacks was bad design - which has happily been indentified & rectified. Had the same issue with my HotA barb to the point I changed spec to avoid it!
Do you want nobody to play diablo 3 anymore then? Thud is an overlay and nothing more. Its everybody blizzard should do but doesnt because we do have THUD, blizzard employees use it as well.
If you think BOTTING is less cheating then THUD your clueless then. THUD isnt a bot program, you still are at your keyboard playing. Botters can play 24/7 without being at your computer.
I understand what botting is!
Explain to me how an overlay that gives users additional map access, pointers to avoid ground effects, signposts to elite packs, shows exits, shows affixes etc etc is perfectly fine vs. a legit player with none of these huge advantages? It's against the ToS and is to Diablo what performance enhancing drugs are to athletics.
If someone uses a bot to generate a stack of rift keys, for me (and it's only my opinion), that is far preferable to someone using 'easy mode' via a third party program and claiming the credit vs. players that play the game, sitting at their keyboard, the way that Blizzard designed it to be played.
You obviously use THUD, which is your prerogative, and you like it - so feel free to discuss rather than calling me 'clueless'
As to Blizzard employees using THUD - great, as I said, if they like it or elements from it, code it into the game.
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An honest, thoughtful and considered post. It's interesting to hear from different people and get an idea of what the player base is thinking. It's clear that there's a large difference between this type of bot use and, for example, someone who makes money from streaming/being at the top of the game. I think if you are amongst the elite and vying for top of the leader boards, part of that achievement has to be dedication and sacrifice - like a pro sportsman has to make - so using a bot to cut out the less desirable parts and still expect the credit and all the upside is inherently wrong.
In my opinion using THUD is far, far worse than botting. That's actual cheating given it's a massive advantage vs. another player of comparable gear, skill and paragon.
Botting is prevalent because, as widely discussed, the end game now consists of grinding paragon and to a certain extent bounty mats. If they are going to ban botters then they should also ban THUD users. If Blizzard like the concept of THUD they should incorporate elements into the game.
i have no idea what the paragon fix is, just seems to me that it would be better to identify the root cause of botting and fix that instead of reacting (too late) to the by product of a deep rooted problem.
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Some interesting points raised by Thaya and LordofDestruction regards types of botting, reasons why and ideas on changes/improvements to the game.
If everyone cheats, no one cheats.
Followers in WoW are legal quasi-bots that can aid progress and perform some tasks automatically. There was also a similar system in the Star Wars MMO. These things were integarted into the respective games with no issues whatsoever (well, ok, one can argue Garrisons destroyed the concept of an MMO but that's another discussion).
Maybe a solution (in addition to the great ideas from LoD) could be the introduction of automation of some tasks via a 'limited use' legal bot system or the ability for your followers to do some stuff for you on CD with stripped down results vs. doing it manually?
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You'll be happy to know Taeguk has been completely redone for next patch. Having to continually spam skills for stacks was bad design - which has happily been indentified & rectified. Had the same issue with my HotA barb to the point I changed spec to avoid it!
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I understand what botting is!
Explain to me how an overlay that gives users additional map access, pointers to avoid ground effects, signposts to elite packs, shows exits, shows affixes etc etc is perfectly fine vs. a legit player with none of these huge advantages? It's against the ToS and is to Diablo what performance enhancing drugs are to athletics.
If someone uses a bot to generate a stack of rift keys, for me (and it's only my opinion), that is far preferable to someone using 'easy mode' via a third party program and claiming the credit vs. players that play the game, sitting at their keyboard, the way that Blizzard designed it to be played.
You obviously use THUD, which is your prerogative, and you like it - so feel free to discuss rather than calling me 'clueless'
As to Blizzard employees using THUD - great, as I said, if they like it or elements from it, code it into the game.
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An honest, thoughtful and considered post. It's interesting to hear from different people and get an idea of what the player base is thinking. It's clear that there's a large difference between this type of bot use and, for example, someone who makes money from streaming/being at the top of the game. I think if you are amongst the elite and vying for top of the leader boards, part of that achievement has to be dedication and sacrifice - like a pro sportsman has to make - so using a bot to cut out the less desirable parts and still expect the credit and all the upside is inherently wrong.
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In my opinion using THUD is far, far worse than botting. That's actual cheating given it's a massive advantage vs. another player of comparable gear, skill and paragon.
Botting is prevalent because, as widely discussed, the end game now consists of grinding paragon and to a certain extent bounty mats. If they are going to ban botters then they should also ban THUD users. If Blizzard like the concept of THUD they should incorporate elements into the game.
i have no idea what the paragon fix is, just seems to me that it would be better to identify the root cause of botting and fix that instead of reacting (too late) to the by product of a deep rooted problem.