I say this as an individual who has sunk thousands of hours into both D2 and D3, and who genuinely enjoys them both for different reasons.
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no, a diablo 2 remaster would be 1000x better than the parody of diablo that was d3.
and still u are here on a D3 forum :/
D2 is still doing baal run 24/7 so D3 ftw
I fail to see any true difference between D2 and D3 end game. D2 is endless Baal runs. D3 is endless GR runs. You may think there is some variety in them, but there really isn't. Essentially the only difference is the feeling of progression with a power creep with endless Paragon grinding.
At least D2 had PvP.
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The benefits of being carried and given all the gear he needs right off the bat. Must be nice to have mindless clan mates who will support a cheating lowlife.
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New account, same cheater playing/ botting it. Only difference is he will very likely remember to turn his stream off from now on.
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A 1 hour panel time does not indicate the game is dead. However by all accounts, it is in some serious need of new blood.
The state of the game today is in a serious decline. If you compare it to Diablo 2, after only 3 years to have it be at the point it is at is a damn shame. Diablo 2 is 15 years old, and LOD is 14. I logged in to D2 tonight and there were 18435 users in 17927 games at 1115pm. Granted there are a fair amount of those that are player bots or spam bots, but to have it generate that kind of playerbase 15 years after release is amazing. In contrast, in D3 the TOTAL number of public games at 1120pm tonight over ALL Difficulty levels and all 5 tags was 652 (yes I was so bored I counted) When you only have that many games open to players in Diablo 3 three years in it is time to start rethinking things. Granted, this is only the Americas server, you still have Europe and Asia, and you still have private games, but the writing is on the wall. Even with the amount of players who are in private games that are likely botting, some people in groups pushing rifts, and others who just play with friends or clan members, I frankly doubt there are as many people on D3 as there are on D2 tonight. I could be wrong, but since Blizzard did away with the /users command in D3 we will never know for sure.
They need to have something new and BIG in the works if they want this game to still have a playerbase in a few years. Either that, or release a few more bugfixes and season patches and move on to Diablo 4.
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Amen brother. Amen.
The logic from the THUD supporters in this thread is simply astounding. "THUD is everything the DIablo 3 HUD should have been." Well, it isn't and THUD is software from a third party, so hmmmmm, why did that REALLY get left out of the letter. I wonder....
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By your statement you could handle 65. That could put you on every leaderboard except monk. How do these top end players make the assumption that people on the leaderboards are botters. They could very well level that accusation if you were on them. They can say anything they want to about people botting, but how do they KNOW that ANYONE on the leaderboards are. Simple answer : They don't. They are leveling unsubstantiated accusations against others. The finger could just as easily be pointed back at them. We would have the same proof of their botting as they have against anyone else.
I am by NO means saying that there are no players on the leaderboards that have exploited the TOS by using bots. I am simply saying until Blizzard takes action, we have no proof that any of them have. We all know there are botters out there, but this letter comes from the "part of the community that engages in the Competitive aspects". They are only complaining about the impact on the Leaderboards and Conquests. Period. It states that in the opening paragraph. JUst because you assume that someone used illicit means to compete with you does not make it true.
Lets say that they ban all botters at the moment and remove all said names from the leaderboards. I hesitate to think that it will have much of an impact in the top end of the leaderboards that the signatories are in. Playstyle, reaction time, fishing for grifts, snapshotting, THUD, key macros, num lock all have more to do with the top end of the competitive aspect of the leaderboards. A bot can only do so much. After getting all the gear you need, you still need to be able to complete the higher level grifts. Different players have different skills. Just because you have all the mats, keys , gear you need does not make everyone capable of competing for the top 1% on the leaderboards.
Just hope Blizzard ends the season, removes and bans all botters, and lets us move on with all of our lives and the game.
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First off I don't know if there is a 100% viable solution to the problem since Blizzard has let it get so far out of hand as it stands today.
If Blizzard can truly detect Bots, and not just "bot like behavior" then at least we have a starting point. However if they just go after anyone who has 12 plus hours of playtime a day for example, then you could be banning a great number of legitimate players mistakenly. People go on binges with this game, they leave the game on and sit in menus for 6 hours, they enter and leave games repeatedly looking for the perfect grifts, they run endless rifts back to back with no let up except maybe a few minutes break. That can all be looked at as behavior that is "bot like". But the real question remains if their system in place can currently detect 3rd party programs playing the game, because if they cannot, then ZERO bans should be handed out.
Now, on the other side of the coin, if Blizzard CAN see that third party programs are reading memory, injecting any commands into the game, or anything else that these programs can do, then by all means, ban them. Ban them all. Any and every player that uses a 3rd party program.
Now for arguments sake, lets say they do not take that road. Lets say they realize that removing bots would severely impact their playerbase on a daily average. Lets say they find an alternate measure.
Assuming they can identify bot users, one "solution" if they choose not to undertake a massive ban wave would be to flag these players accounts, in a visible way that ANY and ALL players can see. Lets say a new icon like a player portrait that cannot be changed, or maybe an asterisk next to their name when they log in or a message to all players when they join a party. Another harsher alternative would be something that may be too difficult to implement, but lets say any player who has been VERIFIED of botting is restricted from joining public games. They can play on their own or with clan/friendslist players, HOWEVER, if a GRift is opened in a group, no player who is flagged can join with other people. They can make their own GRifts, and they can push high GRifts, but they will not appear on the leaderboards, but there will always be a way to tell if the person has been/is a bot user.
In addition, I think that the paragon system is simply out of hand. I think paragon should be harder to obtain, and be limited to 800 points in season. Non season should be unlimited, but for competitive play it is simply too powerful and provides too much of a bonus in damage. I have completed GRift 55 on my monk and will be slowly pushing it to 60 if I can, and for that I am proud. However there is ZERO chance of me competing with players who have 1300 or 1600 paragon levels. Cap it at 800 for seasons and it might also be time for an overhaul of the available pages/choices on the paragon system. That however is a different discussion.
Captcha systems would work to a point, but would also annoy a lot of legit players who simply get tired of entering it. Also, when would the captcha come up......Beginning, mid game, would it pause the game, would it come up in the middle of a boss fight, would it come up when you just killed the boss and have 10 seconds to turn in the rift ? Things could go worse because of them.
You wanted possible solutions. That would be mine.
PS - Nachten You mistakenly changed the part of my quote from Bagstone's name to Arydor. (I changed it back for you)
No idea why that happened, but lets keep the accusations with who actually said them.
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Quote from Bagstone (Page 2)
"Our letter and this thread is about botting. I don't think there are two different opinions about bots (unless you're a botter), something you cannot say about other issues."
For someone who is preaching to stay on topic and avoid the name calling and accusations, I would say to read what you yourself wrote. You leveling accusations like that (twice in this thread in 2 separate comments ) is better in exactly what way ? How is it justifiable in your eyes to call anyone in this thread a botter ? What proof do you have ?
You mention people leveling accusations against signatories of the open letter. You ask what proof there is of that, well, open admission from at least 2 of them have been quoted in these last 10 pages. There have already been posts detailing accounts of botting/ account sharing/ turbohud using by several of your signers. However I guess that is something we can overlook because they are internet stars and we are not.
Meanwhile by your own words those of us calling for ALL CHEATERS to be punished "are defending our botting". I have to say that is disappointing especially coming from you.
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This whole argument is comical to me.
Diablo 3 will never be able to do what you petitioners want it to, and to be honest if it did, that list have fewer names backing it. If Diablo took a stance on Botting, they would likely have to take the same stance on ALL forms of cheating. This means your precious THUD should be banned as well. This means that you players sharing your account EVEN once should be a banned offense. That means if you have used any exploit even once you should be banned. I have to giggle to think how many of your accounts would be banned then.
You cannot cherry pick which evils you want to remove without coming across as insincere. For those arguing this thread is not about THUD, by MeatHeadMikhails logic, you are all THUD users. The simple fact is you can know there are bots, turbohuds, account sharers out there and simply not care. Just because someone doesnt feel the same way about it that you do does not mean they endorse it or use it. To think that way is simply childish and inane.
We all know there are botters in the game. We all know there are THUD users. We all know that people share there accounts. SO DOES BLIZZARD. If you ask them to ban one, you need to ask them to ban all. That is the only way your precious leaderboard will EVER be legitimate.
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Let us be realistic here. Botting has always had an impact in the Diablo series and has always been met with ban waves. Now, they may not happen as frequently as many of us would like, but they do happen. Bans have already happened previously in Diablo 3 and they will LIKELY happen again. The responsibility is Blizzards to do. Let them do it and play your own game.
It should not take a letter penned by known and admitted botters, exploiters, and ToS breakers (not all of them, but they know who they are) to get the job done. Having some of the names you have on that list simply does not do a lot to protect the letters integrity.
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I see where you are coming from, and I partially agree with you.
The other side of the coin however is that if you remove almost all of the reward from Bounties, wouldn't you simply avoid them altogether ? If you can simply stay where you are killing mobs in Act 5 lets say, or just farm bosses for 10-15 minutes, why would you decide to go after the bounty if you have to keep wasting time going back and forth between different areas, then back to town 5 times before collecting a reward that MAY give you a few more pieces of vendor trash. After all, I guess it is merely speculation at this point, but Iit just seems like too great of a nerf right off the bat.
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Except the entire point was that they are REMOVING the loot reward by taking away the Horadric Cache drop. That along with the nerf to XP / Gold really removes any incentive. They took only a few minutes because most players who were able to speed them in minutes were using a Crusader with Heavens Fury (broken skill which did insane amounts of damage). Without that skill, the time involved would increase by a large amount. Increase in time to claim the bounty coupled with severely diminished rewards for that time do not exactly equal a selling point for them. If anything it will remove peoples interest in them completely when they get virtually no XP/ Gold or loot bags (besides the one for completing all bounties in a given act). 5 bounties for one bag of loot which MAY contain something good along with a few hundred thousand gold and XP really doesn't seem worth hopping all over the map.
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I will say, seeing as how I have not PLAYED the beta RoS and am merely going by watching several days worth of multiple streamers, I could be completely wrong. I know they gave good exp and gold, but with all the paragon levels and all the gold sinks they are throwing in I truly think it would even itself out in the end.
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If we are being honest, there are really no End-Game items because for now, there is truly no end-game aside from farming and raising your Paragon level. I would be blunt and ask him exactly what Items he is referring to. Is he talking about Lacuni's, Vile Wards, Nats Set, Hellfire Rings, etc.
Truth be told, I think he is referring to BiS or Best In Slot and simply saying end-game.
If you choose to spend money on your gear, all the more power to you. I and many others on here may see it as a short-changing yourself on the point of playing this game, but if YOU do not, then play the game the way YOU want to.
Let me just you you a word of advice on the subject and illustrate a point if you will indulge me:
My best friend has spent hundreds if not over $1000 on this game total, with a large portion going towards his monk. What he has to show for it is a Paragon 37 monk that pushes out over 160k dps, can speed through MP5-6 runs easily, and higher with some time devoted to them.
I have spent ZERO dollars on the game. My Paragon 50 monk does considerably less. Approximately 85-90k dps. All found gear, or bought through the GOLD AH using drops sold. I can speed run MP0-2 pretty efficiently and can survive at MP4. Anything higher is a challenge TBH.
Due to the terrible itemization of the game, on average, he and I find the same crap gear. He has yet to FIND a better piece of gear than I have found myself.
With all that money spent, it will not guarantee better drops. It will simply mean that you are able to run through the monsters faster with less hassle and effort.
I agree with arandan. You should check out the link in his post. Some good tips in there.
Whatever way you decide to go, good luck.