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Quote from "moonshine" »

quick question on this small part of your post. while i am not at all in favor of there being a BoP system, im not entirely against a BoE system if done correctly as i stated much earlier in this discussion. my question is like you said you want to use items that "you spent time getting." with the way the D2 economy is set up, most people dont use anything they find (except for the early on items when your a low level), it is mostly items other people have found or duped. wouldnt you rather find that super unique item and have it actually be worth something? not have to find 40 of them for there to actually be any value to it.

Quote from "moonshine" »

i stated in an earlier post in this thread, if blizzard implemented a respec option, you wouldnt have to reroll characters, granted some people would just because... but with a respec option you can make one barb, and respec him whenever instead of having to roll 10 barbs just to get the last one right. with a BoE system, and not everything has to be BoE.. just super rare stuff, i personally think it would help the items to retain some value.

Quote from "moonshine" »

do i think blizzard would do this to diablo 3? highly doubtful, but i wouldnt be terribly upset if they did, as long as it was done correctly.

Quote from name="Lucifuge Rofocale" »

From what I understand, that's only for certain loot.

Quote from name="Lucifuge Rofocale" »

Holy shit, if they add a BoE or BoP system, or any rolling system, I will not be buying Diablo 3.

Do NOT cater this action oriented game series to WoW players because they're too slow to click on an item before someone else does.

Quote from "TheHuHu" »

Disclaimer : Please do not come into this thread to flame or make incessant claims that this will not be Diablo at all with these new systems. Do not claim it is a copy of World of Warcraft just because of this idea. Many games to this day borrow ideas from others. There are no "original" games anymore, only original concepts. Even Diablo 1 and 2 were worlds of difference when D2 added new things and even then, the "hardcore" fans would whine that it wasn't "Diablo."


If you really did play Diablo 2 over B.net at all then you know the economy sucked because of the myriad of uniques everyone had. Even I had four mules packed with high-end runes and gear and I had one mule carrying specifically Windforces, Eaglehorns, Stormshields, and Grandfathers.

When a game's item, like in Diablo 2, never had to be destroyed or sold because there was no reason to, then the economy will blow. If you can just keep muling or stashing or trading HIGH-END uniques over and over again, even after using them, then it becomes Diablo 2 in terms of trading / economy all over again.

Gold has no value in Diablo 2 whatsoever, only to repair your gear. When I used to frequent the trade channels and I hear, "40 SoJs for a .08 Windforce!! WHISPER ME NOW!!" it became quite clear that the economy went to crap.

Blizzard has to, and I strongly emphasize this because then it will be Diablo 2's economy again, implement some sort of way to stop the influx and retainment of high-end uniques to be able to be traded over and over again. And I believe a BoP (for certain universal items, like maybe a +20 attribute amulet ^_^) would help deter the economy from going to crap.

Now, with the Bind on Equip system, one would still be able to trade high-end uniques but once it is equipped, it becomes yours forever and cannot be traded. This will at least let a spellcaster who picks up a Mace +2 to sell to a warrior class without problems. I'm not saying that this will stop all items from becoming currency (hello, SoJs and runes) but it will at least stop the economy from going to crap.

Quote from "yadigg" »

fargnbastage, you saying that the gameplay video shows everything that the game will be

correct me if im wrong but i believe that's assumption

and if you played it that long, you have no reason to complain, you paid for the game, you played it to the end, making fun of WoW is making fun of yourself because once upon a time, you were one of those people

and dont troll on other people telling them to fuck off, seriously what is wrong with you? show some respect to other people and be appreciative that blizzard is doing this for us

Quote from "yadigg" »

no they arent, theyve established the fact that NO you wont be paying, it's off of battle.net

Quote from "Rev_Sysyphus" »

And for the record I don't play WoW and never will. It's not that I think WoW is cartoony, repetitive, full of leet-speek kiddies, etc. I don't play WoW or any other MMO because I just cannot deal with having to pay a monthly fee to play a game. I don't care how good it is, I will never be good with a subscription based game. Since you are paying each month you feel complelled to play because if you don't then that is money wasted.
It's not like the fee is pro-rated for the times when you are not playing. Go on a trip for 2 weeks, well you are still paying for those 2 weeks of WoW, Star Wars, LoTR, The Matrix, etc. The compultion to play as much as possible so as to not waste the fee is why I avoid all MMO's. Now I am sure there are many MMO players who do not have this hangup of mine, but I do and that is why I don't do MMO's!

Quote from "yadigg" »

did D2 keep the same look that Act 1 did? NO it changed from rogue encampment to hell all the way to a snowy summit, its IS possible to have bump mapping, D2 never changed skins/models throughout the whole game, NOW you start complaining

they can tone down color pallet depending on the location, you're an idiot, it's not gonna be bright and peachy in a cave as compared to a forest where sun will shine through

there is no logic in YOUR argument, you're too close-minded in thought

Quote from "TychusFindlay" »

If you play only on one side (Factions: Horde/Alliance) you are getting only about half of the game. Add to that different paths; different characters; getting items; just exploring the world. I would say it has as much, or more replay value than Diablo 2. You, sir, probably have never played WoW. EDIT: I KNOW you haven't played it enough to know what you're talking about.. Or else, you're a hypocrite. I, myself, have only spent casual time playing it (On free private servers.), and I STILL know more than you about the game. Try giving a game a chance before you bash it in your ignorance. That being said; I'm not a WarCraft fanboy. WarCraft 3 was a horrible disappointment compared to StarCraft for me. So, don't start with that B.S., which I know you were going to do.

--- Johnny.. What are we gonna do with you? The change in StarCraft 2 was negligible. The only people that were satisfied with it were the ones that only partially thought that the game was too "Wow-ish". The people who were most vocal about it were never satisfied with the change. I should know; I frequent all major StarCraft 2 forums. It was very negligible, and was even less of a change than the "How It Should Look Like" pictures that plague this site.

Quote from "Xolair" »

After giving this some thought, here's my opinion.

We indeed haven't seen more than 20 mins of gameplay so far, it'd be nice to see 10x as much in the future and judge how the game looks overall. I must admit I was almost shocked by the visuals when the game was first announced; it looked cartoonish and over-coloured all around. Since then my opinion has mellowed, but I still think it could be desaturated JUST A BIT and given some more detail. Either by more polygons on the characters (probably not the best way) or simply adding Bump- and Normal Mapping to the characters, and retexturing them with ''specular highlights'' and whatnot on the textures. Already that would make a drastic difference, I suppose.

There can be light and colour in daytime, and there should. Now when I recall playing D2, it was fairly saturated all around and it had a lot of colour. So now when I look at the game, you can say its colours have been desaturated in D3. As so, it's certainly not the colours that bother me anymore, it's the shading.

From up close, the game just appears to resemble WoW. It's most likely my personal judgement and visual perception, but I can't help noticing this. The gameplay video shows the gore and the visual look to be almost seperate in my eyes, in a way they don't fit together. It's like adding gore to a children game. Anyway, it'd be extremely difficult to transplant D2 from 2D form into 3D, but that should give a small perspective on how the game ideally would appear in my visions.

But what the heck, I'll still play the game even if it wasn't as good-looking as it could be. These are just ''my'' suggestions on how to make the game better, and besides, the game probably isn't visually even honed to absolute perfection yet. Who knows if Blizzard has something different in mind as the game appears to be in alpha stage visually.

Quote from "blizzu" »

Hi guys, I'm new here and I just had to register when I saw the posts of this thread.

Can someone actually be more childish than the guys here who says Diablo needs to be dark?

For christ sake, when I look outside, I can see the sun is shining. ISN'T THAT REALISTIC? If fulltime darkness is reality to you nerds, then I highly suggest you to rise up from your chair and go outside to the daylight (if it's night out there then wait til it's daylight). I really can't believe how you can complain about such thing. I BET IT'S NOT NIGHT ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD OF SANCTUARY.

And 2nd thing, it's been 8 years since d2, times have changed and graphics have improved. Should D3 be the same sharp edged d2 that we saw 8 years ago? NO, it should be a game made with the same basic idea than D2, but made with the programs and knowledge of the year 2008 and so on.

You guys are just pathetic. Grow up, and more importantly, get some fresh air!

P.S. I never should have posted this reply, as someone once said "Never argue with idiots, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Quote from "yadigg" »

hahahaha fargnbastage WOW im close-minded for thinking that the whole video is not how the gameplay video is but YOU'RE not close-minded for thinking that the whole game is NOT all the same, that makes so much sense, it really does...

stop calling my argument weak because it's based on nothing, i'm basing it on the fact that they know what they're doing and yet again, yours is on a 20 min vide, if you dont like it, stop complaining acting so childish