I got 16 RoRGs out of it and my chances is like 1.59% per cache. RNG is RNG, but I feel that persistence and efficiency is the key to obtaining this ring. Good luck!
Hi guys, I have concluded my journey and farmed a total of 1006 Act 1 Normal mode caches.
Why did I do this?
My initial plan was to find one RoRG for all 6 classes. But along the way, as I got better with doing bounties, I got 6 for each of the classes (I like to play and try different classes and builds), I got confident that I could probably find a piece of RoRG with “CC + CD + CDR” and decided to do 1000 caches.
I thought that the goal I had I mind might be useful for others as well so I tried my best to document this journey by using screenshots. To keep myself motivated, I stashed all the RoRGs away as I find them and decided to ID them when I hit my target of 1K horadric cache. However, the ring I am looking for is still not found, my hunt is not over. Image link to 12 unid RoRG here.
How much time did you spend on this project?
It took me an average of 4 minutes to obtain a cache and by that estimate a total time of approximately 67 hours to complete this project.
Sorting out 70 caches worth of loot took me about 20 mins. Picking up the loots involve tedious clicking but it is exciting due to the fear of getting DC. Thankfully Blizzard is going to implement auto pickup in the future.
What did I get out this journey?
The highlights of the loots obtained are, 103 legendaries, 16 RoRGs - out of which 4 are useful , 3806 Keystone fragment, 5184 blood shards, 2603 arcane dust, 1798 veiled crystals (+ salvage rares) and a combine total of 2492 marquise gems.
I like to specify that I did try to follow the Junger rules in the early stage of my journey but it turns out impossible for me to do so with the random people I group with. So I just went ahead with opening chest and picking up stuff at times.
Incidentally, I also learned how to optimize keystone fragment farming. I’ll come to that later.
The following is the summary of my journeyHow many keystone fragments per cache?
You get 2 guaranteed keystone fragments per cache.
Things with zero chance
White items and death breaths do not drop from caches.
My chance for cache legendaries x distribution x chance per cache
With my “RNG”, I got a total of 103 legendaries out of 1006 caches. My average drop chance for a legendary is 10.24% (1 in 10 caches). Out of 103 legendaries, I acquired 16 RoRG, 15 M.M Scepter, 20 Pauldrons of S.K, 23 G.G of Leoric, 14 S.Vambraces and 15 non-cache legendaries.
The distribution out of the 103 legendaries is as follow: RoRG at 15.53%, M.M Scepter at 14.56%, Pauldrons of S.K at 19.42%, G.G of Leoric at 22.33%, S.Vambraces at 13.53% and non-cache legendaries at 14.56%.
The estimated chance for each Act 1 legendary per cache is as follow: RoRG at 1.59%, M.M Scepter at 1.49%, Pauldrons of S.K at 1.99%, G.G of Leoric at 2.29%, S.Vambraces at 1.39% and non-cache legendaries at 1.49%. Link to all 16 RoRG here.
Blood shards and its buff
Blood shards from caches are buffed on the Diablo 3 anniversary. Before the buff, the average is 0.19 per cache. After the buff, the average is 2.7 per cache. The increment is about 14x.
Gems per cache and it’s distribution
I acquired a total of 2492 marquise gems. On average, I got 2.47 gems per cache with the distribution ratio of - 19.22% Ruby, 20.30% Emerald, 19.38% Topaz, 19.82% Diamond and 21.27% Amethyst.
The thing about bounties
The first completed bounty does not give keystone fragments and blood shards while the remaining 4 will always do if you are in the zone.
One little trick on bounties
You can still get the keystone fragment from the boss bounty by staying at boss zone without fighting him. (Intended by Blizzard?)
Is speed farming cache a productive way to accumulate crafting materials?
Speed farming caches for crafting materials is not viable. On average you get 3.5 white mat, 2.5 blue mat, a 35% chance for a yellow mat, a 4% chance for a blue item and 1.4 rare per cache. Salvaging a white item gives 7-9 mat, a blue item gives 3-4 mat and a yellow is 1 for 1. Farming for items to salvage is a much better way to accumulate crafting materials.
An alternative way to gain crafting materials
A good alternative for farming mats other than doing rifts is to do bounties but at a slower rate so you can pick up the drops from opened chest etc.
Public bounties are good for this because you can always stay last in game to visit all bounty zones for collecting items from global drops – chest, clickable, breakables, etc.
Optimizing Keystone Fragment farming
In patch 2.1, everyone is required to pay a keystone fragment to enter a rift. So it is probably a good time now to start accumulating those rift keystones so that you can enter rifts as much as possible once patch 2.1 goes live. So the question is - what is the best way to farm it?
At the later part of my journey, I learned how to improve my rate of acquiring keystone fragments by memorizing each bounty and as well as knowing how the bounty reward system work. You can see a gradual increase in ratio of keystone fragments I gain per run date from the data I recorded.
My strategy ~As I have shared the mechanism of the bounty reward system in my findings above, I usually turn in my bounty at second place and analyze the remaining uncompleted bounties. With an understanding of the different bounties and a grasp of the situation, I choose and teleport to the next bounty with high probability that it is completing soon. With this strategy, I usually make a minimum of 4 keystone fragments (2 from bounty, 2 from cache) every run, sometimes I get more (maximum is 6).
I think it is pointless to save a few seconds by staying in town after you have completed your bounty just to be quick enough to click on Tyrael to get the cache. When you are in town, you are losing 1 to 4 keystone fragments every run. In the long run, small numbers add up.
With no doubts, farming for keystone fragments slows down the process of cache farming. However, I feel that the loss of a few seconds is worth it for a fragment.
My plans for the future
Moving forward, I need to spend the keystone fragments I got from the project because my inventory is limited. At the same time, I plan take a break in order to gear up my runners so they are T2 efficient. Hopefully soon, I can work on A1 T2 1K if there are no sudden changes from Blizzard.
I like to say thanks for the encouragement peeps, appreciate that.
Update is that I am currently at 763 caches - 237 left to go, acquired 5 RoRGs from the last 3 entries - 195 caches in total (you can check my blog for screenshots). Feeling very lucky about it and hopefully I can make few more before my journey ends. So stay tuned guys!
Awesome work here my friend, you just inspired me with more ideas with the numbers i acquired during my journey. Hopefully I can finish it before the PTR goes live.
That is some very nicely organized data. It probably isn't far off from the actual values Blizzard uses. I can't wait to see the final results!
Thanks! You can check back every few days as I am quite motivated to finish this. I farmed 70 today, so I'm down to 432 more. Found 1 more RoRG today
This is my updated data:
mitqa I love the fact that there are others interested in the same numbers as we are over on our stream. My hope is when everything is said and done with both our tests is that the numbers come out very similar a sample size combined of 2000 caches will undoubtedly give some pretty finite answers on drop chances
I am glad as well that I'm not alone on this. Agree that a bigger sample size gives a better picture of the drop rate. Lets do this!
Hi guys, I have been mostly a reader to this wonderful forum and perhaps this is a way for me contribute back to the community. I would like to share my with you guys my journey to earning and opening 1000 horadric caches. Currently I am at 498, 502 left to go.
Most of the time I tend to find my split party in the split farm bounties community chat where other times when its hard to find a full party, I just hop on a public game.
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I got 16 RoRGs out of it and my chances is like 1.59% per cache. RNG is RNG, but I feel that persistence and efficiency is the key to obtaining this ring. Good luck!
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Appreciate the thanks and glad this post is useful to people here.
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Why did I do this?
My initial plan was to find one RoRG for all 6 classes. But along the way, as I got better with doing bounties, I got 6 for each of the classes (I like to play and try different classes and builds), I got confident that I could probably find a piece of RoRG with “CC + CD + CDR” and decided to do 1000 caches.
I thought that the goal I had I mind might be useful for others as well so I tried my best to document this journey by using screenshots. To keep myself motivated, I stashed all the RoRGs away as I find them and decided to ID them when I hit my target of 1K horadric cache. However, the ring I am looking for is still not found, my hunt is not over. Image link to 12 unid RoRG here.
I post all of my screenshot on my blog here: http://one-thousand-horadric-cache.blogspot.sg/
How much time did you spend on this project?
It took me an average of 4 minutes to obtain a cache and by that estimate a total time of approximately 67 hours to complete this project.
Sorting out 70 caches worth of loot took me about 20 mins. Picking up the loots involve tedious clicking but it is exciting due to the fear of getting DC.
What did I get out this journey?
The highlights of the loots obtained are, 103 legendaries, 16 RoRGs - out of which 4 are useful , 3806 Keystone fragment, 5184 blood shards, 2603 arcane dust, 1798 veiled crystals (+ salvage rares) and a combine total of 2492 marquise gems.
I like to specify that I did try to follow the Junger rules in the early stage of my journey but it turns out impossible for me to do so with the random people I group with. So I just went ahead with opening chest and picking up stuff at times.
Incidentally, I also learned how to optimize keystone fragment farming. I’ll come to that later.
The following is the summary of my journey How many keystone fragments per cache?
You get 2 guaranteed keystone fragments per cache.
Things with zero chance
White items and death breaths do not drop from caches.
My chance for cache legendaries x distribution x chance per cache
With my “RNG”, I got a total of 103 legendaries out of 1006 caches. My average drop chance for a legendary is 10.24% (1 in 10 caches). Out of 103 legendaries, I acquired 16 RoRG, 15 M.M Scepter, 20 Pauldrons of S.K, 23 G.G of Leoric, 14 S.Vambraces and 15 non-cache legendaries.
The distribution out of the 103 legendaries is as follow: RoRG at 15.53%, M.M Scepter at 14.56%, Pauldrons of S.K at 19.42%, G.G of Leoric at 22.33%, S.Vambraces at 13.53% and non-cache legendaries at 14.56%.
The estimated chance for each Act 1 legendary per cache is as follow: RoRG at 1.59%, M.M Scepter at 1.49%, Pauldrons of S.K at 1.99%, G.G of Leoric at 2.29%, S.Vambraces at 1.39% and non-cache legendaries at 1.49%. Link to all 16 RoRG here.
Blood shards and its buff
Blood shards from caches are buffed on the Diablo 3 anniversary. Before the buff, the average is 0.19 per cache. After the buff, the average is 2.7 per cache. The increment is about 14x.
Gems per cache and it’s distribution
I acquired a total of 2492 marquise gems. On average, I got 2.47 gems per cache with the distribution ratio of - 19.22% Ruby, 20.30% Emerald, 19.38% Topaz, 19.82% Diamond and 21.27% Amethyst.
The thing about bounties
The first completed bounty does not give keystone fragments and blood shards while the remaining 4 will always do if you are in the zone.
One little trick on bounties
You can still get the keystone fragment from the boss bounty by staying at boss zone without fighting him. (Intended by Blizzard?)
Is speed farming cache a productive way to accumulate crafting materials?
Speed farming caches for crafting materials is not viable. On average you get 3.5 white mat, 2.5 blue mat, a 35% chance for a yellow mat, a 4% chance for a blue item and 1.4 rare per cache. Salvaging a white item gives 7-9 mat, a blue item gives 3-4 mat and a yellow is 1 for 1. Farming for items to salvage is a much better way to accumulate crafting materials.
An alternative way to gain crafting materials
A good alternative for farming mats other than doing rifts is to do bounties but at a slower rate so you can pick up the drops from opened chest etc.
Public bounties are good for this because you can always stay last in game to visit all bounty zones for collecting items from global drops – chest, clickable, breakables, etc.
Optimizing Keystone Fragment farming
In patch 2.1, everyone is required to pay a keystone fragment to enter a rift. So it is probably a good time now to start accumulating those rift keystones so that you can enter rifts as much as possible once patch 2.1 goes live. So the question is - what is the best way to farm it?
At the later part of my journey, I learned how to improve my rate of acquiring keystone fragments by memorizing each bounty and as well as knowing how the bounty reward system work. You can see a gradual increase in ratio of keystone fragments I gain per run date from the data I recorded.
My strategy ~As I have shared the mechanism of the bounty reward system in my findings above, I usually turn in my bounty at second place and analyze the remaining uncompleted bounties. With an understanding of the different bounties and a grasp of the situation, I choose and teleport to the next bounty with high probability that it is completing soon. With this strategy, I usually make a minimum of 4 keystone fragments (2 from bounty, 2 from cache) every run, sometimes I get more (maximum is 6).
I think it is pointless to save a few seconds by staying in town after you have completed your bounty just to be quick enough to click on Tyrael to get the cache. When you are in town, you are losing 1 to 4 keystone fragments every run. In the long run, small numbers add up.
With no doubts, farming for keystone fragments slows down the process of cache farming. However, I feel that the loss of a few seconds is worth it for a fragment.
My plans for the future
Moving forward, I need to spend the keystone fragments I got from the project because my inventory is limited. At the same time, I plan take a break in order to gear up my runners so they are T2 efficient. Hopefully soon, I can work on A1 T2 1K if there are no sudden changes from Blizzard.
Last of all - I have uploaded my excel on google docs for anyone who needs my data:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pUiNky97rcj2SUoOAQLn08W65VRj_z9iZaC-WK3o4Zk/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for reading.
Mitqa
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Update is that I am currently at 763 caches - 237 left to go, acquired 5 RoRGs
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This is my updated data:
I am glad as well that I'm not alone on this. Agree that a bigger sample size gives a better picture of the drop rate. Lets do this!
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Most of the time I tend to find my split party in the split farm bounties community chat where other times when its hard to find a full party, I just hop on a public game.
You can read more of my experience at - http://one-thousand-horadric-cache.blogspot.sg/
This is the latest screenshot on my spreadsheet:
Good luck to those who are still trying to find RoRG. Peace!
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This is the blog where I post my results: http://one-thousand-horadric-cache.blogspot.sg/
Lets compare notes and I'm looking forward to your results : )
Mit