I also had another idea, say you are channel surfing up and down the names of the shows flashing by on the screen all of a sudden you wake up 3 hours later with the feeling u have been violated (less likely but not impossible)ramble.ramble..ramble...zZzZzZzZz.... 420 POSTS WOOT
You should see the movie Videodrome it has much crazier ideas in terms of what TV's can do to you.
A silly thing to say when man can't even define "intelligence".
Nobody needs to define anything when man can just shoot every creature in the world and still survive. That's intelligence. Man is the only creature that can defeat a creature stronger, bigger, more dexterous than it is. Do you know any other creature like that?
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I beg to differ, there are many animals who know "pleasure", for example dolphins or elephants. Thing is, "what is pleasure?"
They all do it by instincts only. And as far as I can see elephants have not advanced any farther than they were 50000 years ago or whenever did they came to be.
Pleasure is a chemical setup in the brain. That's pretty much it. Difference is, animals don't look for it. They just do what their setup tells them to do. They have no love, no loyalty, nothing, absolute instinct. They don't live, they "do". They are like programs. Programmed to do something. While two humans can be very, very different, animals are all the same no matter how you raise them or what do you do to them sooner or later their instincts wake up and they eat ya.
On the other hand, in some cases a person with a certain type of parents will rebel against their way of life, as every other specie in the animal kingdom. Yes, I'm regarding man as an animal for he is of this sort, driven by instincts and desires.
Man is not an animal. Animal have no intelligence, men do, there we start to differ, you may call the behavior of man having similarity with animals but it applies mainly to the mass (low-intelligent, e.g., more animalistic). But a mad scientist has nothing, NOTHING to do with an animals, the beliefs, the drives are very different. In fact, only man has sex for pleasure and eat for pleasure and w/e, animals have it for other reasons, because they do not understand what pleasure is. Even there, they differ. Man is not an animal it's something else, something very different.
Most kids rebel because they do not trust their parents. They do not trust their parents because those do not listen to them, regard them as minors, and lie to them. Anyone would rebel in that situation.
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That is the key to great parenting, if you are for example angry at your child then most of the time the child does not understand why, explaining the child why you are angry in the first place will help the child to see its error, being secretive about some natural/realistic things will only help the child perceive it as unnatural/taboo wich doesn't help anybody.
That's my point, and you are quoting the wrong person.
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Btw, i was sexual active (not "doing it" active) at a early age too, about 9 years old. (i don't mean the innocent "sitting in bathtub with girlfriend" at age 5, because that got nothing to do with "sex")
Err, how can you be sexually active without having sex?
I think adults are paying too little attention to their children and too much to what their children experience. That is what I don't like in all those claims that television sprouts violence. If the kid understands it exist, I don't see how that is harmful. It is the sad truth of this world. You are not going to lie to your kid until he's a teen that the world is a good flowery place. What point are you trying to make? That kids are more affected by television than adults are? I disagree a lot of adults have breakdowns from stuff they did not see before while some kids watch it and are fine with it. That kids will begin to be controlled by the TV rather than you? Well that's a question of your parenting and the kid's intelligence. You can't block anybody from anything, it's there, and if your kid goes crazy, the reason is probably YOU, not the TV, not the computer, not the friends, it all goes down to parenting and intelligence.
I'm wondering whether it works to explain something to all kids. I can agree with you that it's a matter of making the kid understand that it is not real, but whether or not that can be done through conversation I question.
If your kid does not listen to you than there is nothing you can do for him, he's on his own.
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Hypothetical question: How would you know whether or not you are different from any other kid? I would say everyone is different from every other kid, otherwise they'd be the same person.
I believe that at birth, everyone is mentally the same unless they have some mental disabilities, and if such mental disablities do exist they are, at most, insinuated, but not created by, violence.
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How would you know that it didn't? How can you ever make an objective statement about yourself, when the only judge is what you're trying to evaluate?
Because I don't remember it. Because I have no evil thoughts on that subject. Because I don't want to kill anybody. Because I am still scared of blood and wounds in real life. And a lot of other indications of "normality". I am not crazy.
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You certainly were different than me as a kid.
No we just had different parents, different countries.
Sianoq, you just have to explain to that kid of yours that TV is not real. I always knew that and TV could not scare me. Documentary videos always scared me a lot more because they were real. The farthest it went was nightmares from movies like Poltergeist and Videodrome (but those are not gore, those are suspence and surrealism) but I the nightmares that I got on my own were a lot worse. Movies with a lot of gore went by unnoticed. I remember there was something in it but it didn't look like anything I would concentrate my attention on... Sex was certainly skipped all the time. I may remember "this was there" but it was never identified.
I believe that a child does not view violence the way you think they view it. They have some sort of their own opinion about it, so it often affects them less than it affects teens or some adults. How am I different from any kids? I'm not.
Porn is directed, and you won't show that because it's directed, just as you won't show a gore-directed movie (I saw one, tho, in a cinema, in fact, didn't affect me AT ALL), because they don't have that stuff "in-between", they have it as the main point which is why they can write themselves on the retina of your child's eye.
But in a visual where violence/sex are a PART of a story, not the main point of it, it's different.
And, yes, you will NOT protect your child from seeing a very gory movie at about the age of 5 or something. Nor will you protect them from seeing sex. Unless you don't have a TV of course. But if they can use a computer they certainly can find anything off the internet (mind you, I never did). I think it's better if they see it off the TV and give it some kind of an identity, than they see something from their "friend".
What should be your main worry is not WHAT your child sees, because they'll see anything, your worry should be HOW they will regard it, and that is your main task as a parent, to explain to them what is what and what's good or bad or real or unreal. Your child will get exposed to drugs sooner or later. And you are not going to protect them from that. You are going to tell them what the problem with drugs is so that they don't do it. If you have that ability, of course, most parents don't if 98% of teens do pot, and I'm not surprised so much sci-fi includes kids raised by anyone but not their parents...
Besides, childhood is the only time when you can get really scared by a movie.. I wouldn't want that to have been taken away from me.
Anything disturbing shall be unidentified. I have been rewatching many movies I saw during childhood, and I never remembered any of the gruesome or sexual parts from them. A child is disinterested in that stuff because he or she cannot identify it. In fact, they sooner he or she gets used to them, the better, so that you won't end up with a kid suddenly seeing someone naked and having a psychological breakdown because now they DO understand what it is but they NEVER saw it before...
There is no such thing as content inappropriate for an age. All content is appropriate.
There is one simple problem with video games - they are highly enjoable, therefore, if you do not explain to your kid why should he do anything besides video games, you are in trouble.
They all do it by instincts only. And as far as I can see elephants have not advanced any farther than they were 50000 years ago or whenever did they came to be.
Pleasure is a chemical setup in the brain. That's pretty much it. Difference is, animals don't look for it. They just do what their setup tells them to do. They have no love, no loyalty, nothing, absolute instinct. They don't live, they "do". They are like programs. Programmed to do something. While two humans can be very, very different, animals are all the same no matter how you raise them or what do you do to them sooner or later their instincts wake up and they eat ya.
Most kids rebel because they do not trust their parents. They do not trust their parents because those do not listen to them, regard them as minors, and lie to them. Anyone would rebel in that situation. That's my point, and you are quoting the wrong person. Err, how can you be sexually active without having sex?
I believe that at birth, everyone is mentally the same unless they have some mental disabilities, and if such mental disablities do exist they are, at most, insinuated, but not created by, violence.
Because I don't remember it. Because I have no evil thoughts on that subject. Because I don't want to kill anybody. Because I am still scared of blood and wounds in real life. And a lot of other indications of "normality". I am not crazy. No we just had different parents, different countries.
I believe that a child does not view violence the way you think they view it. They have some sort of their own opinion about it, so it often affects them less than it affects teens or some adults. How am I different from any kids? I'm not.
Porn is directed, and you won't show that because it's directed, just as you won't show a gore-directed movie (I saw one, tho, in a cinema, in fact, didn't affect me AT ALL), because they don't have that stuff "in-between", they have it as the main point which is why they can write themselves on the retina of your child's eye.
But in a visual where violence/sex are a PART of a story, not the main point of it, it's different.
And, yes, you will NOT protect your child from seeing a very gory movie at about the age of 5 or something. Nor will you protect them from seeing sex. Unless you don't have a TV of course. But if they can use a computer they certainly can find anything off the internet (mind you, I never did). I think it's better if they see it off the TV and give it some kind of an identity, than they see something from their "friend".
What should be your main worry is not WHAT your child sees, because they'll see anything, your worry should be HOW they will regard it, and that is your main task as a parent, to explain to them what is what and what's good or bad or real or unreal. Your child will get exposed to drugs sooner or later. And you are not going to protect them from that. You are going to tell them what the problem with drugs is so that they don't do it. If you have that ability, of course, most parents don't if 98% of teens do pot, and I'm not surprised so much sci-fi includes kids raised by anyone but not their parents...
Besides, childhood is the only time when you can get really scared by a movie.. I wouldn't want that to have been taken away from me.
There is one simple problem with video games - they are highly enjoable, therefore, if you do not explain to your kid why should he do anything besides video games, you are in trouble.