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I'm putting down the pitchfork as soon as people stop taking their trash in the Diablo 3 bucket. I know the game has big problems. You are not helping it (the hater ones). So move along and we're both happy.
One pitch fork is no match for the unrelenting horde of misguided, broken hearted players which have been lied to from the start and disapointed on a constant basis.
They scraped PvP because, as they said in the blog, for a few short hours at a Blizzcon it would be great fun, but you'd get bored with it in a very, very short while.
Ya.. Except thats a crock. Who is 'THEY"? Its sure as hell ain't us... The actual players. Id like to see them prove it and put it on PTR.
Lets face it. Alot of things where removed from D3 for the sole reason to sell it to us later in expansions. Nothing more.
They... Seem to think they can just string us along and that we should be thankful for anything they give us. Even if its 1/4 of what the promised.
Blizzard says Team Deathmatch doesn't work because it gets old fast. For the sake of argument, let's assume that's true.
What ideas do you have for PvP that would replace this system?
Note: This is not a thread to argue about the news from yesterday - this thread is about solutions.
At this point the only true solution would be to let players actually test out what blizzard had or hire someone who can actually get the job done.
As far as ideas go.. There have neem a ton of great posts concerning ideas/gimmicks for pvp on Diablo3.com they get ignored on a constant basis.
IF theres no TDM then give use the arena maps. Make it 8 players. And let us make it either public or private. Make a safe area with a stash and let use duel. Remove crit damage and nerf damage dealt by 1/4 ...
"For us it comes to a few issues, one of which is depth. Simply fighting each other with no other objectives or choices to make gets old relatively quickly." .
Some of the best Player VS Player games i've ever played had no rewards for winning. From Street Fighter 2 to Left 4 Dead.
We don't need some Call of Dooody fluff to make us feel like we earned something.. We don't need rewards, rankings or ladders. If thats their excuse for not releasing arena's then they are all flat out retarded or must think everyone who plays D3 is.
People PVP because its fun, thats enough of a reward. Thats why i pvpd in D2.... Because it was fun.
Seriously, what a slap in the face.. 7 months of wait for them to say they scrapped it because a "THEY" say its not fun.
I mean, don't PTR it or nothing, we don't want the actual players having an opinion especically after a 7 month wait... Just take their word for it because Jay Wilson knows what fun is, not us monkeys.
I agree. But for me the slap in the face comes from the obvious lie that it would lack depth etc, when in fact it has probably been finished for some time now. I think Jay Wilson said in his tweets that the pvp blog will be coming soon and be massive, while in fact it was decided and carefully planned upstairs to save it for a time when they could make more profit with it. We get the very minimum, they get the maximum.
Jay Wilson is either the fall guy from greedy investors or the biggest, dumbest, useless game dev in the future of modern video games.
I agree with what you said.
Even the hype of the blog before it was released is a crock. So basically his pvp blog was delayed for what? Delayed so some other person could find a way to reword everything he said and make look like they tried and really cared? Also, delayed til a day after xmas so they swipe in a few more xmas sales?
Because lets face it... PVP BLOG comming soon didn't mention anything about PVP being scraped all togther. It hinted as if if good news was comming for everyone who waited.
So now. A simple, easy to work arena style pvp in point and click hack and slash land won't work... Until the expansion pack comes out?
I don't usually make this kind of threads, seriously, but.. after reading the news about PvP... it is.. beyond frustrating.
And I couldn't care less about PvP, to me, the PvE aspect of the game is more important, but, even so, they are a hell of a company (or at least they were) and they take amateurish decisions like this one...
Sigh.../
soooo.... to you making the decision to cut a feature and re-do it because it doesn't deliver is 'amateurish' ? I do believe you need to look up that word.
Wrong... THEY made the desision to scrap something for no reason after making players wait 7 months for nothing. I do believe you need to do some research and check out videos of pvp arena from PRE D3 release. It worked just fine.
When they say "THEY' think it doesn't deliver or it wasn't fun without any actual PTR is a lie. Wheres the proof? They? Whos they? Its sure as hell wasn't US the actual players.
Deliver "US" the arenas a let "US" tell them what needs to be re-worked. Thats how its really done.
"For us it comes to a few issues, one of which is depth. Simply fighting each other with no other objectives or choices to make gets old relatively quickly." .
Some of the best Player VS Player games i've ever played had no rewards for winning. From Street Fighter 2 to Left 4 Dead.
We don't need some Call of Dooody fluff to make us feel like we earned something.. We don't need rewards, rankings or ladders. If thats their excuse for not releasing arena's then they are all flat out retarded or must think everyone who plays D3 is.
People PVP because its fun, thats enough of a reward. Thats why i pvpd in D2.... Because it was fun.
Seriously, what a slap in the face.. 7 months of wait for them to say they scrapped it because a "THEY" say its not fun.
I mean, don't PTR it or nothing, we don't want the actual players having an opinion especically after a 7 month wait... Just take their word for it because Jay Wilson knows what fun is, not us monkeys.
RULE #1 of making games. You better do it right or suffer the backlash of people who paid money for it.
And you know this because you're a designer, eh? Since you reside in an old folks home, you MUST have been around when Pong was reseased, so you should have decades of knowledge under your belt.
But you don't. All you have are your derp QQ posts on a fansite.
When did i say " I " lived at an old folks home. Learn to read...
And make sense. This maybe a fansite. But its not a mindless drone site.
So, if youre mad im not a mindless drone and i actually make sense....I DON"T CARE.
Blizz makes people wait 7 months for a feature that should have been in the game on release... Bottom line.
People wanted a duel button on release and waited 7 months for arenas.. And the give the exact opposite.
So, please. Show a little respect for the paying customer pal. Not all of us like being lied to over and over while being kept in the dark about the simplest things. Maybe you do, but i sure as hell don't.
Im sick of people like you... Making no sense acting like Blizz has the right to NOT deliver and still take peoples money.
You mean your parent's money? Close your account with DiabloFans, uninstall D3, and tell them to spend $60 on another game that will charge more down the line for DLC.
Ya.. Ok. Il go down to the old folks home now.. Where I PAY for them and tell them this right now because some forum loser with no sense of reality told me to do something retarded.. And i just do it because im such tool.
Another crybaby thread. First people crying out loud this game is taking so long to be released. Result, Blizzard releases the game before its finished. Then, more crying because the game is ''crap''.
Now im getting a bit tired of cry babies like the op. STFU already and let Blizzard finish the damn game. It's not good right now stop complaining and let them do what as to be done...
Jesus, im so sick and tired of this new generation of gamers... If you got nothing intelligent to say, don't say anything. Close this thread.
Im sick of people like you... Making no sense acting like Blizz has the right to NOT deliver and still take peoples money.
RULE #1 of making games. You better do it right or suffer the backlash of people who paid money for it.
Jay Wilson and D3 devs are liars and full of crap.
So if you have nothing inteligent to say.. Shaaaaaaaaaad up. Go back and play your half-assed, unfinished broken DIABLO 3 and love it. Maybe after a few xpacs worth 50 dollars each you will finally get the full product.
Il be waiting for POE... FREE TO PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... MUAhahhHAHaaA
.. or I would at least like that.
With each paragon level you receive a certain percentage of reduced crit dmg and crit chance on you.
Make it so that up to paragon level 50 you get the most benefit out of it, and that you can level paragon with pvp tokens.
What do you think?
I don't understand what "resilience" means but i get your idea. I just think your full idea is pointless.
Truth is Crit Damage has no place in PVP. Its a PVM stat used to help kill monsters with billion of health faster, nothing more and nothing else.
Instead of what ever idea you are trying to make come to life. Removing crit damage all together its the right way to go.
Thats not an option for them. It would make crit a trash stats, which is not what they want.
Wrong.... It would make CRIT a PVM stat. Just like alot of other stats/skills would be totally useless in PVP. And lets face it, the most over-used, over stacked and abused stat gimmick in Diablo 3 is crit. Removing it from pvp would not only be smart but make different items 'WORTH" something.
Theres NO point for crit in pvp.. At all. Making it not work in pvp would not make it worthless since it would still be the biggest PVM stat.
Removing it only balances out damage. Which is a good thing.
Yet its 100% sure that they wont remove crits, they will make it so you have to balance your stat, not flat out ignore them. Beside Magic and gold find every other stat has places in PVP, even things like Life on kill and Health globe bonus have purpose in PVP, because people die quicker then elites will and because health globes spawns in PVP, if you can get a single health globe to heal you to full, its a good stat.
You can balance crit by making a flat damage reduction. As i tried to explain so here ill go again. Even if your crit DMG is 500%, which it is on my barb, you have to have the crit chance to make it happen into an average of damage. If your crit DMG is 600% with 5 % crit and the damage reduction is like D2, flat, to a 95% reduction, your damage will be garbage You will be forced to have a good ammount of every stats. If you remove only 1 stats all it does is make people forget a single stat and stack something else instead of being balanced. Hell it would make stats like resist and armor facultative because the huge damage people do come from crit damage.
There is no reason to cut off 2 of the most important offensive stats if you already have ways to average everything out. You make the DPS average with crit in mind and its that simple. Crit chance and Crit damage are 2 stats that are pretty easy to get alot, so the damage reduction needs to be to an ammount that actually take these stats into consideration, 95% seems to be that mark to me. Even on my best 3 million damage crit, after resist and armor its reduced to a 13000 damage crit (with flat 95% reduction on players D2 style), thats without cooldown to further reduce, thats resonable and to achive a reliable 3 million crit, i had to invest in crit chance and thats during cooldowns.
They wont remove any stats but the one they already are removing: Magic find. Even pick up radius will be useful for class like WD in PVP as Health globes spawn all over the arena and provide buffs in many specs.
Things that will most likealy also be reduce along with flat damage is Life on Hit and Life steal, probably close to the ammount where inferno already nerf life steal. Because a damage reduction means if people takes 10+ crit to die, they will need to heal a little slower then the damage.
It also balance monk healing, which are flat numbers that do not scale, unlike the healing stats. Monk healing in a flat damage reduction environement are easy to keep balanced. Because they cant be trash and heal too low or keep the monk alive forever if he is geared too well. So the flat reduction will keep them in the middle of that scale depending on the % blizzard goes with.
What ever.... IF D3 pvp has crit and health globes im not even touching that garbage,
Crit has no place in pvp. Let alone health globes.
Im getting sick of this game anyways...Nothing but a boring crit fest and no pvp in sight.
Path of Exile....
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One pitch fork is no match for the unrelenting horde of misguided, broken hearted players which have been lied to from the start and disapointed on a constant basis.
POE open beta can't come fast enough.
Ya.. Except thats a crock. Who is 'THEY"? Its sure as hell ain't us... The actual players. Id like to see them prove it and put it on PTR.
Lets face it. Alot of things where removed from D3 for the sole reason to sell it to us later in expansions. Nothing more.
They... Seem to think they can just string us along and that we should be thankful for anything they give us. Even if its 1/4 of what the promised.
At this point the only true solution would be to let players actually test out what blizzard had or hire someone who can actually get the job done.
As far as ideas go.. There have neem a ton of great posts concerning ideas/gimmicks for pvp on Diablo3.com they get ignored on a constant basis.
IF theres no TDM then give use the arena maps. Make it 8 players. And let us make it either public or private. Make a safe area with a stash and let use duel. Remove crit damage and nerf damage dealt by 1/4 ...
So its a great business model to lie, bait and switch and disapoint their loyal customers?
Good to know. Can't wait for all the game devs to start doing this so i can be disapointed on a constant basis.
People are upset. Let them vent.
No need to be the fan boy rubbin' salt in their wounds.
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To barely 1/4 of what they hyped up the game to feature. It has barely 1/4 of what D2 had.
Amazing.. Really if you watch those videos and see what we all actually ended up with. W T F happen?
Was it all removed so that could just sell a bunch of expansion packs?
W T F happened..???
Those videos make the game look so awesome.. I WANT THAT GAME!!!...lol
Jay Wilson is either the fall guy from greedy investors or the biggest, dumbest, useless game dev in the future of modern video games.
I agree with what you said.
Even the hype of the blog before it was released is a crock. So basically his pvp blog was delayed for what? Delayed so some other person could find a way to reword everything he said and make look like they tried and really cared? Also, delayed til a day after xmas so they swipe in a few more xmas sales?
Because lets face it... PVP BLOG comming soon didn't mention anything about PVP being scraped all togther. It hinted as if if good news was comming for everyone who waited.
So now. A simple, easy to work arena style pvp in point and click hack and slash land won't work... Until the expansion pack comes out?
Really?
....Amazing how things work.
Wrong... THEY made the desision to scrap something for no reason after making players wait 7 months for nothing. I do believe you need to do some research and check out videos of pvp arena from PRE D3 release. It worked just fine.
When they say "THEY' think it doesn't deliver or it wasn't fun without any actual PTR is a lie. Wheres the proof? They? Whos they? Its sure as hell wasn't US the actual players.
Deliver "US" the arenas a let "US" tell them what needs to be re-worked. Thats how its really done.
Some of the best Player VS Player games i've ever played had no rewards for winning. From Street Fighter 2 to Left 4 Dead.
We don't need some Call of Dooody fluff to make us feel like we earned something.. We don't need rewards, rankings or ladders. If thats their excuse for not releasing arena's then they are all flat out retarded or must think everyone who plays D3 is.
People PVP because its fun, thats enough of a reward. Thats why i pvpd in D2.... Because it was fun.
Seriously, what a slap in the face.. 7 months of wait for them to say they scrapped it because a "THEY" say its not fun.
I mean, don't PTR it or nothing, we don't want the actual players having an opinion especically after a 7 month wait... Just take their word for it because Jay Wilson knows what fun is, not us monkeys.
I dunno.. Maybe the people who actually WANTED PVP???!!
Seeeeesh. PVM cares bears need to shaaaaaaad up about their opinons about pvp. Think about what the pvp fans want instead of what you want.
Blame blizzard for stringing them along.
When did i say " I " lived at an old folks home. Learn to read...
And make sense. This maybe a fansite. But its not a mindless drone site.
So, if youre mad im not a mindless drone and i actually make sense....I DON"T CARE.
Blizz makes people wait 7 months for a feature that should have been in the game on release... Bottom line.
People wanted a duel button on release and waited 7 months for arenas.. And the give the exact opposite.
So, please. Show a little respect for the paying customer pal. Not all of us like being lied to over and over while being kept in the dark about the simplest things. Maybe you do, but i sure as hell don't.
Ya.. Ok. Il go down to the old folks home now.. Where I PAY for them and tell them this right now because some forum loser with no sense of reality told me to do something retarded.. And i just do it because im such tool.
YEEEEEEEEEEEES SIR..
LMAO.
Im sick of people like you... Making no sense acting like Blizz has the right to NOT deliver and still take peoples money.
RULE #1 of making games. You better do it right or suffer the backlash of people who paid money for it.
Jay Wilson and D3 devs are liars and full of crap.
So if you have nothing inteligent to say.. Shaaaaaaaaaad up. Go back and play your half-assed, unfinished broken DIABLO 3 and love it. Maybe after a few xpacs worth 50 dollars each you will finally get the full product.
Il be waiting for POE... FREE TO PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... MUAhahhHAHaaA
I wonder when people like you will just shaaaad up and realize PVP was a huge part of Diablo 2.
Seriously.....
What ever.... IF D3 pvp has crit and health globes im not even touching that garbage,
Crit has no place in pvp. Let alone health globes.
Im getting sick of this game anyways...Nothing but a boring crit fest and no pvp in sight.
Path of Exile....