i'm sure most of the viewers are reading this and enjoying their coffee while botting for materials and keys. waiting for they're botting friends to get on so they can farm 95+ group grift. I'm just here ranting and farming rifts just to spend it all again on pub grifts.
there are 3 possible reasons why botters are not banned.
1. blizzard can't detect them with a certainty or
2. they don't give a damn or
3. both
Or
4. Warden detected that there is such a huge player base that use bots, they would be eliminating 60-70% of all their players. I don't think that is the case, but it could be a possibility. It would be business suicide for them to ban 60-70% of all their players.
Are they hurting anyone? No! Are they profiting from their botting by selling gear in 3rd party vendors? No! Botters don't hurt me none, nor do they hurt anyone financially.
It was different when the RMAH and trading was around as botters back then profited. Now, it is just players that farm mats, rifts, DB's or wahtever, they don't hurt anyone or the business. If it was a small percentage, absolutely, ban them, but if it is a large percentage, it would be crazy to eliminate them as the game would die.
there are 3 possible reasons why botters are not banned.
1. blizzard can't detect them with a certainty or
2. they don't give a damn or
3. both
4. Warden detected that there is such a huge player base that use bots, they would be eliminating 60-70% of all their players. I don't think that is the case, but it could be a possibility. It would be business suicide for them to ban 60-70% of all their players.
But at the same time, if they don't do anything, that % may very well grow. It will also make more legitimate players throw in the towel.
At some point, they need to get rid of rotten apples. That's exactly what we have now. They didn't take action for so long, the decay has spread nearly out of control.
Drastic actions need to be done. The situation will only worsen if nothing is done.
Guys, you know, life would be so much more chill for you, when you just accept that there is no "competitive D3". It just doesn't exist. It's a grinding game and it will always be a grinding game. You guys have bought a farm horse and complain now that it's not a race horse.
Yup! Well said.
This thread reminds me of people complaining in wow....i bet it's the same people!
Here's the thing, let Blizzard do their job! Nobody here has any right to say what they are doing is right or wrong. How does anyone know that people are not getting banned or that botters haven't been banned? This is not something that Blizzard is going to post or say who they banned, so they may have already banned some. Either way, let them do their job. Whatever they do, they have their reason. If you do not like it, quit!
Did you see Gabynator baned for botting or something that made you think Blizzard has banned any boter since February 2015 ?
I dont know what gabynator is. As far as botting, I dont care! They don't affect me and they don't affect you! It is Blizzards problem, not yours, and if you do not like the way they handle things, quit, nobody is stopping you!
I recoil at the idea of altering a game program for the purpose of leveling the playing field between casual players, chronic players, and cheating players. Life isn't fair, and neither is gaming. Leave it alone....... for those of us who aren't competing with ghosts.
The ONLY thing that should be done about botting is increased enforcement and enhanced detection techniques.
Their is a lot of negative feedback about game captcha's and how they make the games aggravating to play. The articles above are a very interesting read though.
Yes, we know those papers. (Note that they're very dated - especially the last one was written just shortly after modern CAPTCHAs were invented by Luis van Ahn). But that's only half the research - you can find as many papers that will tell you that CAPTCHAs don't work. There are two big issues:
Given a grace period of development, bots (i.e., in that case OCR programs or similar stuff) are always better or at least just as good as solving CAPTCHAs - which means that you might keep more legit players out of rifts than bots. You can actually find follow-up papers that show this if you look up the papers on ACM/IEEE and look at the citations.
As those papers also acknowledge and simply point to future work, the usability of CAPTCHAs suck. Even the first paper that introduces the mini-games says that it's an approach, but usability was not thoroughly tested. TL;DR if you follow up that research chain: usability sucks. Hell, you could make a case for trials being the GR captchas - can't be any more embedded into the game. I don't need to tell you what the response would be.
CAPTCHAs are not and will never be the solution to bots in Diablo 3. Citing half the research and only from journals that do not take into account game design and user experience is just distorting the truth.
Yes, we know those papers. (Note that they're very dated - especially the last one was written just shortly after modern CAPTCHAs were invented by Luis van Ahn). But that's only half the research - you can find as many papers that will tell you that CAPTCHAs don't work. There are two big issues:
Given a grace period of development, bots (i.e., in that case OCR programs or similar stuff) are always better or at least just as good as solving CAPTCHAs - which means that you might keep more legit players out of rifts than bots. You can actually find follow-up papers that show this if you look up the papers on ACM/IEEE and look at the citations.
As those papers also acknowledge and simply point to future work, the usability of CAPTCHAs suck. Even the first paper that introduces the mini-games says that it's an approach, but usability was not thoroughly tested. TL;DR if you follow up that research chain: usability sucks. Hell, you could make a case for trials being the GR captchas - can't be any more embedded into the game. I don't need to tell you what the response would be.
CAPTCHAs are not and will never be the solution to bots in Diablo 3. Citing half the research and only from journals that do not take into account game design and user experience is just distorting the truth.
Just to clarify: I wasn't advocating the use of CAPTCHA's as a solution. Quite the opposite actually.
I felt like I had to create an account just to reply to this thread. No cap on paragon, no diminishing returns on paragon!!!!!!! I don't get to play this game all that often. I don't bot, I don't give a damn about leaderboards. It did take me a very long time to reach paragon 1,000 because I'm only able to play solo due to having a 1 year old that could wake up at anytime. I actually enjoy the grind for paragon because 5 main stat is worth the grind. To give us 2 main stat after 1k paragon or totally taking away the points after 2k makes it completely pointless to play after that point, for me at least, because there becomes no progression! Progression is what makes an RPG. Diablo is an ARPG. Don't take that away from me! I have all near perfect ancients on the characters I actually play, so paragon is the only reward I get for playing, but it's still a reward, and I'm fine with that.
I felt like I had to create an account just to reply to this thread. No cap on paragon, no diminishing returns on paragon!!!!!!! I don't get to play this game all that often. I don't bot, I don't give a damn about leaderboards. It did take me a very long time to reach paragon 1,000 because I'm only able to play solo due to having a 1 year old that could wake up at anytime. I actually enjoy the grind for paragon because 5 main stat is worth the grind. To give us 2 main stat after 1k paragon or totally taking away the points after 2k makes it completely pointless to play after that point, for me at least, because there becomes no progression! Progression is what makes an RPG. Diablo is an ARPG. Don't take that away from me! I have all near perfect ancients on the characters I actually play, so paragon is the only reward I get for playing, but it's still a reward, and I'm fine with that.
You have near perfect ancients and 1k paragon on season and call yourself casual intresting.
I think your definition of casual and Qqfuzz's definition of casual differs. It's entirely possible for someone to play for 3 hours a night Monday through Friday, not play on the weekends and get to 1000 paragon during this season. In fact a lot of players in public games are reaching that amount of paragon and we still have a little less than a month left in season 5. For the most part it's really safe to say that "playing video games in your spare time" is still casual gaming. He also didn't state that he was playing seasonal. Considering his situation that he mentioned and that he plays solo, it's highly likely that he acquired his gear over a longer period of time playing the normal side of the game.
If Captcha never works etc, why do 99% of respectable sites use it?
Those are web sites. CAPTCHA challenges are common on a per transaction basis for certain processes and you don't normally see them on a single site more than once a day. Implementing CAPTCHA challenges in a video game would have to be presented more than once during a players session in order to be effective. I don't know what your feelings are about that scenario but It would bug the ever living azmodoodoo out of me.
The botters problem is more complex than just saying "meh people cheating is normal"
The fact that Botters are spreading like rats shows that Blizzard is late with taking any action and also something about the game something sadly most CASUALS do not get.
Paragon is a broken system
Bounties / Ubers are extremely boring
Rifts t10 are extremely boring
But a NOOB casual will lack the understanding that those systems are wrong because they don't feel FORCED to play those systems, while a player that likes to push greater rifts will have to play hundreds of bounties / Ubers / rifts t10 and grind XP like a mindless monkey. This is what diablo has become a damn boring game, more and more LEGIT players are ider leaving the game or start boting because of those stupid systems that force players to play.
I have been playing ARPGs since I was a kid, and im 34 years now and this you must understand before you comment on what I wrote.
Any game that FORCES players to do boring stuff becomes boring in the end ( and by boring stuf I mean to easy )
Easy FIX:
Nerf paragons ( there are lots of options for that ) on SEASON only if you like
Uncap Rift/bounties/ubers difficulty ( ingrease number of matts )
Someone might come and say yes but changing the system to make cheaters go away will hurt one cathegory of gamers casuals or "chronic" players ( this word shows how much you despise players that like the game and plays more GG mr. moderator) and that is plain BS. Please tell me how it will hurt casuals ?
Oh i see... becasue pushing higher GRs is so much better! Very interesting too! lmao
Dude, are you a halfwit by a chance? Do us all a big favor, and just shut it next time you reply to somebody else, because you clearly have no idea what you're bubbling about yourself!
You're making a lot of assumptions here. I never said I played seasons and I never said I was casual. I did say it took me a long time to get to paragon 1k. I'm 1k non season. I'm 0 season. So, yeah, I'm right between hard core and casual, only because of time restraints when I actually get to play.
Can you just stop crying about bot...
IT give a super kick start the 1st 30 days
after that people start doing Very higth grift in group
bot can do near grift 75 to 80 = near 50 billion Xp/hour
4 player grift 90+ = 1 trillion XP hour (average)
It take a week for a bot to get what they can do in a single night.
So yess it help. but it become more and more useless.
My friend his at paragon 1846 and it using it at grift 75 from day 1 of S4
so people whos at 2K+ paragon for sure they group play in 90+
STOP CRYING JUST USE IT DAMIT.....OR STOP TO PLAY... one and for all
Edit: Damn it all to hell.
Read below, said in a much better way than what I'm able to do.
i'm sure most of the viewers are reading this and enjoying their coffee while botting for materials and keys. waiting for they're botting friends to get on so they can farm 95+ group grift. I'm just here ranting and farming rifts just to spend it all again on pub grifts.
Or
4. Warden detected that there is such a huge player base that use bots, they would be eliminating 60-70% of all their players. I don't think that is the case, but it could be a possibility. It would be business suicide for them to ban 60-70% of all their players.
Are they hurting anyone? No! Are they profiting from their botting by selling gear in 3rd party vendors? No! Botters don't hurt me none, nor do they hurt anyone financially.
It was different when the RMAH and trading was around as botters back then profited. Now, it is just players that farm mats, rifts, DB's or wahtever, they don't hurt anyone or the business. If it was a small percentage, absolutely, ban them, but if it is a large percentage, it would be crazy to eliminate them as the game would die.
But at the same time, if they don't do anything, that % may very well grow. It will also make more legitimate players throw in the towel.
At some point, they need to get rid of rotten apples. That's exactly what we have now. They didn't take action for so long, the decay has spread nearly out of control.
Drastic actions need to be done. The situation will only worsen if nothing is done.
This thread reminds me of people complaining in wow....i bet it's the same people!
Here's the thing, let Blizzard do their job! Nobody here has any right to say what they are doing is right or wrong. How does anyone know that people are not getting banned or that botters haven't been banned? This is not something that Blizzard is going to post or say who they banned, so they may have already banned some. Either way, let them do their job. Whatever they do, they have their reason. If you do not like it, quit!
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I recoil at the idea of altering a game program for the purpose of leveling the playing field between casual players, chronic players, and cheating players. Life isn't fair, and neither is gaming. Leave it alone....... for those of us who aren't competing with ghosts.
The ONLY thing that should be done about botting is increased enforcement and enhanced detection techniques.
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Someone mentioned captcha's so I thought I would post some stuff I came across while looking into it a couple years ago.
http://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=10871&context=infopapers
https://www.cis.uab.edu/saxena/docs/mohamed-asiaccs2014.pdf
https://www.parc.com/content/attachments/keeping-bots-out.pdf
Their is a lot of negative feedback about game captcha's and how they make the games aggravating to play. The articles above are a very interesting read though.
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Yes, we know those papers. (Note that they're very dated - especially the last one was written just shortly after modern CAPTCHAs were invented by Luis van Ahn). But that's only half the research - you can find as many papers that will tell you that CAPTCHAs don't work. There are two big issues:
CAPTCHAs are not and will never be the solution to bots in Diablo 3. Citing half the research and only from journals that do not take into account game design and user experience is just distorting the truth.
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I felt like I had to create an account just to reply to this thread. No cap on paragon, no diminishing returns on paragon!!!!!!! I don't get to play this game all that often. I don't bot, I don't give a damn about leaderboards. It did take me a very long time to reach paragon 1,000 because I'm only able to play solo due to having a 1 year old that could wake up at anytime. I actually enjoy the grind for paragon because 5 main stat is worth the grind. To give us 2 main stat after 1k paragon or totally taking away the points after 2k makes it completely pointless to play after that point, for me at least, because there becomes no progression! Progression is what makes an RPG. Diablo is an ARPG. Don't take that away from me! I have all near perfect ancients on the characters I actually play, so paragon is the only reward I get for playing, but it's still a reward, and I'm fine with that.
If Captcha never works etc, why do 99% of respectable sites use it?
I think your definition of casual and Qqfuzz's definition of casual differs. It's entirely possible for someone to play for 3 hours a night Monday through Friday, not play on the weekends and get to 1000 paragon during this season. In fact a lot of players in public games are reaching that amount of paragon and we still have a little less than a month left in season 5. For the most part it's really safe to say that "playing video games in your spare time" is still casual gaming. He also didn't state that he was playing seasonal. Considering his situation that he mentioned and that he plays solo, it's highly likely that he acquired his gear over a longer period of time playing the normal side of the game.
Those are web sites. CAPTCHA challenges are common on a per transaction basis for certain processes and you don't normally see them on a single site more than once a day. Implementing CAPTCHA challenges in a video game would have to be presented more than once during a players session in order to be effective. I don't know what your feelings are about that scenario but It would bug the ever living azmodoodoo out of me.
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Oh i see... becasue pushing higher GRs is so much better! Very interesting too! lmao
Dude, are you a halfwit by a chance? Do us all a big favor, and just shut it next time you reply to somebody else, because you clearly have no idea what you're bubbling about yourself!
Time-locked progression.
WoW has plenty of bots, but you don't see them having anything of value.
You're making a lot of assumptions here. I never said I played seasons and I never said I was casual. I did say it took me a long time to get to paragon 1k. I'm 1k non season. I'm 0 season. So, yeah, I'm right between hard core and casual, only because of time restraints when I actually get to play.