Hey guys, today I briefly explain and showcase the new legendary gem coming in 2.4 - Boyarsky's Chip. While you can do a thorns build with any class using Legacy of Nightmares for T10/speed farming, it's primarily designed to work with the Crusader Invoker set and is responsible for most of its damage. Enjoy & discuss!
PS. I'll be doing a separate video on Thorns mechanics once I figure out everything (there are some goofy things with it), but for those wondering Thorns only scales with main stat and global buffs/debuffs (bane of the powerful/trapped, power pylon, DIBS, etc). It scales indirectly with attack speed and CDR using Invoker set and it seems some of the physical type skills that have a thorns component (like the physical/thorns Bombardment) scales with %physical damage, though I've yet to test it myself.
Yeah, we still don't know if damage ranges (weapons, + on rings/amulets) are calculated into thorns.
Thx for the guide though.
Some updates:
%physical damage now scales thorns! This is huge, and I anticipate Invoker will get nerfed in some way, sadly. I hope it doesn't.
Damage ranges are not calculated into thorns. It's yet to be determined what % of main stat scales thorns as there are some quirky things with it (for example strength doesn't seem to affect the SHEET display damage of thorns.
Yeah, we still don't know if damage ranges (weapons, + on rings/amulets) are calculated into thorns.
Thx for the guide though.
Some updates:
%physical damage now scales thorns! This is huge, and I anticipate Invoker will get nerfed in some way, sadly. I hope it doesn't.
Damage ranges are not calculated into thorns. It's yet to be determined what % of main stat scales thorns as there are some quirky things with it (for example strength doesn't seem to affect the SHEET display damage of thorns.
Yeah, but it still says damage increased by STR. Someone did calculation that it is better to put STR gems in armor than VIT ones (seems Heart of Iron boost applies only to Thorns on itself?) Still a lot of questions around this.
Yeah, we still don't know if damage ranges (weapons, + on rings/amulets) are calculated into thorns.
Thx for the guide though.
Some updates:
%physical damage now scales thorns! This is huge, and I anticipate Invoker will get nerfed in some way, sadly. I hope it doesn't.
Damage ranges are not calculated into thorns. It's yet to be determined what % of main stat scales thorns as there are some quirky things with it (for example strength doesn't seem to affect the SHEET display damage of thorns.
Yeah, but it still says damage increased by STR. Someone did calculation that it is better to put STR gems in armor than VIT ones (seems Heart of Iron boost applies only to Thorns on itself?) Still a lot of questions around this.
Well if 1 STR = 1% boost and 1 VIT = 5% boost, I think it's pretty clear? Unless the mechanics are wrong.
"sadly" "sadly".... they fixed or nerfed all crusader builds that were gr-viable after 2.4 hit the ptr while desperately buffing thorns to make it best - cause they worked out a "brand new" set so it MUST be on top. Now i cant find any non-thorns build in top 300 leaderboards.....
From this video I went to the explanation of the invoker's set and man... That is awesome!
Just the fact that it doesn't need an ancient weapon is a winner for me (finding an ancient weapon at season start solo is already difficult, getting the one you want is a pain).
Yup, set set/build probably has the easiest entry in Season 5 since it's the set you get already. Then you just need to do some low grifts to get Boyarsky's Chip gem, then you should be able to do T10 almost instantly while you farm the other needed items (Aquila, Heart of Iron, Hack, etc).
I managed to try the invoker's set on PTR (damn strange I managed to connect while the community buff is still active) and I fell in love with that! Without the gem I could clear T8 rifts in less than 5 minutes, I can't imagine how it would be with a decently upgraded gem
Not really, no room for it anyway. You'll be using all 6 Invoker pieces and using/cubing Aquila Cuirass and Heart of Iron, both of which are better than these bracers and it would be a waste to cube RoRG just for this.
Yea it should still work fine. Goal for Blizz is to make all 6 piece sets as close to each other as possible in effectiveness, that's why you see so many buffs/nerfs on PTR. Also keep in mind that they want to reduce the power creep inherent in this coming patch (new cube recipe + high paragon).
Still think its a too much nerf imo...i mean comon blizz, are u totaly insane?
Its half the dmg output from 2 sorces were gimped on...thats brutal u num nuts! (blizz)
Still i cant see the nerf is active yet on ptr as i have the normal stats as it was before soo cant really compare the leaderboards as it is now.
Soo blizz..reset the leaderboard when the nerf goes live on ptr plz??pretty plz??
Reduced damage bonus from 50% to 25% (12/1) still 50%
Reduced Thorns bonus from 100% to 50% (12/1) still 100%
They did reset the leader boards already. Hotfixes don't update tooltips and such ingame. Those require a client Update. Hotfixes though can change the numbers. I don't know what the S5 PTR solo GR clear was prior to the hotfix, but as of last night it was 81 and 80 non-season. Prior to the hotfix Quin had a 88 clear NS.
Edit: Just double checked current leader boards. Season on PTR has an GR84 clear and NS is up to 82
Could barbs use thorns as well or did blizzard design a gem for one class?
Anyone can use the gem, it's just BETTER for Crusader.
In the same way anyone can use Enforcer, but it's best when used for a Pet WD (are these still a thing?)
People laughed at me using int gems on the dh, id assume this gem follows the same strat for non crusaders.
Thorns was killed for a reason, remember the afk diablo kill? A thorns gem only caters to a bad bot script.
Could barbs use thorns as well or did blizzard design a gem for one class?
Anyone can use the gem, it's just BETTER for Crusader.
In the same way anyone can use Enforcer, but it's best when used for a Pet WD (are these still a thing?)
People laughed at me using int gems on the dh, id assume this gem follows the same strat for non crusaders.
Thorns was killed for a reason, remember the afk diablo kill? A thorns gem only caters to a bad bot script.
Thorns damage is practically laughable on just about any class other than Sader's sure you can equip it, but doesn't mean it's any good.
Thorns damage is practically laughable on just about any class other than Sader's sure you can equip it, but doesn't mean it's any good.
My very basic character simulation led me to a barbarian doing hack procs for 4 bil+ at the speed of 5+ attacks per second, i wouldn't call that 'laughable' its just that barb has no way to translate thorns damage into aoe
Now the question I have about this simulation is are these big 3+ billion numbers you are seeing on a barb, crits? Because thorns damage can't crit.
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Hey guys, today I briefly explain and showcase the new legendary gem coming in 2.4 - Boyarsky's Chip. While you can do a thorns build with any class using Legacy of Nightmares for T10/speed farming, it's primarily designed to work with the Crusader Invoker set and is responsible for most of its damage. Enjoy & discuss!
PS. I'll be doing a separate video on Thorns mechanics once I figure out everything (there are some goofy things with it), but for those wondering Thorns only scales with main stat and global buffs/debuffs (bane of the powerful/trapped, power pylon, DIBS, etc). It scales indirectly with attack speed and CDR using Invoker set and it seems some of the physical type skills that have a thorns component (like the physical/thorns Bombardment) scales with %physical damage, though I've yet to test it myself.
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Yeah, we still don't know if damage ranges (weapons, + on rings/amulets) are calculated into thorns.
Thx for the guide though.
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%physical damage now scales thorns! This is huge, and I anticipate Invoker will get nerfed in some way, sadly. I hope it doesn't.
Damage ranges are not calculated into thorns. It's yet to be determined what % of main stat scales thorns as there are some quirky things with it (for example strength doesn't seem to affect the SHEET display damage of thorns.
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If damage ranges don't affect it, does that mean that Thorns builds will get to use funky weapons with no damage on them?
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"sadly" "sadly".... they fixed or nerfed all crusader builds that were gr-viable after 2.4 hit the ptr while desperately buffing thorns to make it best - cause they worked out a "brand new" set so it MUST be on top. Now i cant find any non-thorns build in top 300 leaderboards.....
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Could barbs use thorns as well or did blizzard design a gem for one class?
In the same way anyone can use Enforcer, but it's best when used for a Pet WD (are these still a thing?)
After the nerfs in recent ptr update, is thorns still going to be viable?
There is a gr81 clear post nerf on season
Yea it should still work fine. Goal for Blizz is to make all 6 piece sets as close to each other as possible in effectiveness, that's why you see so many buffs/nerfs on PTR. Also keep in mind that they want to reduce the power creep inherent in this coming patch (new cube recipe + high paragon).
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GOod to hear cant wait to play crusader again, and that other video you made meathead was amazing, the one with blessed shield build.
Keep those vids coming, most awesome ever! HOpe you do indepth vids also in the future on season 5 builds espesially for crusader plz
They did reset the leader boards already. Hotfixes don't update tooltips and such ingame. Those require a client Update. Hotfixes though can change the numbers. I don't know what the S5 PTR solo GR clear was prior to the hotfix, but as of last night it was 81 and 80 non-season. Prior to the hotfix Quin had a 88 clear NS.
Edit: Just double checked current leader boards. Season on PTR has an GR84 clear and NS is up to 82
Amazing, very happy more people are confirming its still viable..now i can sleep easy tonight atleast intil next patch fix.
Thorns was killed for a reason, remember the afk diablo kill? A thorns gem only caters to a bad bot script.