I'm dissapointed in you not putting, Atheism as a choice *shakes head* Even though it doesn't have a " god or high being " to believe in, it's still considered a religion.
Yea, I said I messed up. I know I forgot Athiest and Agnostic.
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The poll isnt very good... Theres 15 people voted for 'other'
An admin should change the thread title to "Beliefs..." and add Agnostic and Atheist
And separate Christian into 'Protestant Christian' and 'Catholic Christian'
The only thing that should be changed is the Athiest and Agnostic. Maybe change it to "Beliefs." If you split up Christian, though, then your showing favortism. Christians are Christians, whether your catholic prodestant or whatever, and if you give multiple Christian options then you would then have to give multiple options for all the others. All the kinds of Jewish, Hindu, Islamic, Pagan, and all the others. Do you really want 50 or 60 options because of sub-beliefs? Shoot, you'd have 50 or 60 off Christianity and Paganism alone, let alone all the kinds of other religions. Imho thats just a waste of space that you gotta scroll down, and most wouldn't be voted on anyway.
@ Darkness Angel - I didn't think i would be the first one to say something but, Atheism isn't a religion; its a belief or an opinion or a lack of belief but it doesn't qualify as a religion.
@ Esaul - Yea that sounds weird to me aswell
If you chose your beliefs you don't really believe in them.
In fact, the exact opposite. If you choose your own beliefs then you've obviously thought about those beliefs and justified them using some type of reasoning. Then you've come to the conclusion that those beliefs are true.
A person who chooses his own belief has questioned himself and actually opened his own eyes to the other beliefs around him so his belief in that chosen belief system must be stronger. Or he wouldn't believe in it and turn to something else...
Edit - @ LinkX - Yea I can see where you're coming from, maybe when diablo3.com population skyrockets in the future then a more comprehensive poll could be done. The only reason I thought of divided Christianity was because alot of Protestants who posted here openly said "Im not a Catholic" so I was curious of how many Catholics there were.
Edit - @ LinkX - Yea I can see where you're coming from, maybe when diablo3.com population skyrockets in the future then a more comprehensive poll could be done. The only reason I thought of divided Christianity was because alot of Protestants who posted here openly said "Im not a Catholic" so I was curious of how many Catholics there were.
I can understand wanting to know that. But the point of this thread when I made it wasn't to know who was Catholic and who was Prodetant. It was to know who was what religion.
I probably will be the one who makes the more comprehensive poll when D3 is announced, ie major activity in Diablo3.com.
Again, all wrong. Atheists have never claimed that they know the answers to everything. They just don't try to explain the unexplainable by thinking up supernatural beings as explanations. Science does not know the answer to every question, but religion claims to.
I think he was saying that Athiests arn't afraid if they can't understand or explain something...
Actually, this is far from the truth. It is religious people that want an explanation for everything. It is them that search the answers to questions which cannot be answered. Atheists just say, well, we haven't found the answers to this or that yet, let's move on with our lives and not think about it.
And yet they say there is no god, which is not proven and therefore you have not found the answer yet. And which you do think about that, very much so, as I can tell from what you're arguing/discussing.
You guys are taking what I said too literally. I don't mean you go looking through a book and read something and say "Yeah, that sounds about right to me.." Beliefs are always there you just have to put them into words.
Example of choosing beliefs: There is a girl in my class.. She is very strange but she's intelligent. She reads lots of books and was raised methodist christian. One day she told her mom she wants to explore religions(her mom is our chemistry teacher so that's how I know this) She read up on several world religions and DECIDED that Budhism, being the most peaceful and pacifistic of the religions would be her religion. She sits in church pews and "meditates" now.
Being hypocritical would mean that I would say there is 100% certainty that there is no god. Maybe it sounded like that, but nowhere do i state this.
No that's what I'm talking about. You say atheists walk away from uncertain things, and forget about them whereas religious people look for the answer. And yet you have obviously thought about this topic a lot. Therefore contradicting yourself.
When people talk about belief in God like it's bad, I always wondered what it hurt to believe in God.
Maybe you can answer it for me?
I always figured that believing in something, whether real or not, never seemed to hurt anything. If anything believing in something like God merely opens the path to a possible enternal life.
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Only once they understand will they know what the truth really is.
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Try making your own Leap Of Faith... You might save more than just your life.
Strawman? Not so much anymore, I'm just stating my opinion.
When people talk about belief in God like it's bad, I always wondered what it hurt to believe in God.
Maybe you can answer it for me?
I always figured that believing in something, whether real or not, never seemed to hurt anything. If anything believing in something like God merely opens the path to a possible enternal life.
Most atheists I've spoken with have cited things like the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition as reasons why believing in something like God is bad. I think it's because many anti-religious people emphasize these things that other things go unnoticed.
More people have been tortured and/or murdered by atheists like Joseph Stalin or Mao Zedong than religion has ever been able to manage.
These figures are tragic, and of course population levels were much lower at the time. But even so, they are minuscule compared with the death tolls produced by the atheist despotisms of the 20th century. In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people.
You guys are taking what I said too literally. I don't mean you go looking through a book and read something and say "Yeah, that sounds about right to me.." Beliefs are always there you just have to put them into words.
Example of choosing beliefs: There is a girl in my class.. She is very strange but she's intelligent. She reads lots of books and was raised methodist christian. One day she told her mom she wants to explore religions(her mom is our chemistry teacher so that's how I know this) She read up on several world religions and DECIDED that Budhism, being the most peaceful and pacifistic of the religions would be her religion. She sits in church pews and "meditates" now.
you should hook up with her, seems sexy
but it seems it's better not to believe...
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It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
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and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
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More people have been tortured and/or murdered by atheists like Joseph Stalin or Mao Zedong than religion has ever been able to manage.
Agreed. I think many people with a tendency to kill or torture, are going to do so for one reason or another. But to rally many people who otherwise wouldn't have a tendency to kill or torture, religion can merely be used as a rallying tool. But so can Marxism. So can ice cream if you make people feel that strongly about it.
I dont really see the point on Pascals Wager, I'm sure this God fellow (w.e his name is) should be able to easily understand the reasoning behind not believing in him... Actually... If Hell exists then god would be... evil
Infinite punishment for finite sins... even the most evil men in history couldn't punish you for eternity
If I die and God asks me "Why the fuck didn't you believe and worship me?!?!"
I'll just be lost for words... It will be one of those moments where you cant form a sentence or an idea because too much stuff is going through your mind, so you just stare blankly and go 'huh?'
P.S - I think Hitler was a Christain, but I'd have to agree with Siaynoq.
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Well personally, that's not what I see that happens. The way I think god determines it, is a lot more complicated and a lot more fair. (Opinion of course). But yea, it makes sense to me, but I'm too lazy to explain it at the moment.
And Hitler was not christian. He may have been born Christian, but he wanted to abolish religions.
Personally I have found it amazing that so many people are so intent on finding out whether this one deity exsists or not, and ignores all the other deities of the world.
Hypotheticall speaking, what if this deity doesn't exsist? But what if, still hypothetically speaking, all the other deities of the world exisist?
There would be egg on all y'all's face, eh?
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Yea, I said I messed up. I know I forgot Athiest and Agnostic.
The only thing that should be changed is the Athiest and Agnostic. Maybe change it to "Beliefs." If you split up Christian, though, then your showing favortism. Christians are Christians, whether your catholic prodestant or whatever, and if you give multiple Christian options then you would then have to give multiple options for all the others. All the kinds of Jewish, Hindu, Islamic, Pagan, and all the others. Do you really want 50 or 60 options because of sub-beliefs? Shoot, you'd have 50 or 60 off Christianity and Paganism alone, let alone all the kinds of other religions. Imho thats just a waste of space that you gotta scroll down, and most wouldn't be voted on anyway.
And Tale, awsome man. Very very well said.
@ Esaul - Yea that sounds weird to me aswell
In fact, the exact opposite. If you choose your own beliefs then you've obviously thought about those beliefs and justified them using some type of reasoning. Then you've come to the conclusion that those beliefs are true.
A person who chooses his own belief has questioned himself and actually opened his own eyes to the other beliefs around him so his belief in that chosen belief system must be stronger. Or he wouldn't believe in it and turn to something else...
Edit - @ LinkX - Yea I can see where you're coming from, maybe when diablo3.com population skyrockets in the future then a more comprehensive poll could be done. The only reason I thought of divided Christianity was because alot of Protestants who posted here openly said "Im not a Catholic" so I was curious of how many Catholics there were.
I can understand wanting to know that. But the point of this thread when I made it wasn't to know who was Catholic and who was Prodetant. It was to know who was what religion.
I probably will be the one who makes the more comprehensive poll when D3 is announced, ie major activity in Diablo3.com.
I think he was saying that Athiests arn't afraid if they can't understand or explain something...
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
And undetected and unobserved is arguable because many people have said the have detected god or observed god, myself included.
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Example of choosing beliefs: There is a girl in my class.. She is very strange but she's intelligent. She reads lots of books and was raised methodist christian. One day she told her mom she wants to explore religions(her mom is our chemistry teacher so that's how I know this) She read up on several world religions and DECIDED that Budhism, being the most peaceful and pacifistic of the religions would be her religion. She sits in church pews and "meditates" now.
Maybe you can answer it for me?
I always figured that believing in something, whether real or not, never seemed to hurt anything. If anything believing in something like God merely opens the path to a possible enternal life.
This is my Tale.
Strawman? Not so much anymore, I'm just stating my opinion.
This is my Tale.
Strawman? Not so much anymore, I'm just stating my opinion.
Most atheists I've spoken with have cited things like the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition as reasons why believing in something like God is bad. I think it's because many anti-religious people emphasize these things that other things go unnoticed.
More people have been tortured and/or murdered by atheists like Joseph Stalin or Mao Zedong than religion has ever been able to manage.
Source: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1121/p09s01-coop.html
Just wanted to pre-empt that bail-out response...
Like a cat, tied to a stick
you should hook up with her, seems sexy
but it seems it's better not to believe...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
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Infinite punishment for finite sins... even the most evil men in history couldn't punish you for eternity
If I die and God asks me "Why the fuck didn't you believe and worship me?!?!"
I'll just be lost for words... It will be one of those moments where you cant form a sentence or an idea because too much stuff is going through your mind, so you just stare blankly and go 'huh?'
P.S - I think Hitler was a Christain, but I'd have to agree with Siaynoq.
ICE CREAM!!!!
And Hitler was not christian. He may have been born Christian, but he wanted to abolish religions.
Hypotheticall speaking, what if this deity doesn't exsist? But what if, still hypothetically speaking, all the other deities of the world exisist?
There would be egg on all y'all's face, eh?