Ok guys maybe someone here can be a tie breaker for me. I'm nearing the end of my journey to paragon 100 on my monk and am looking towards my next focus. I have a little over a 1b gold budget and almost 1k demonic essences and my barbs and wizards gear is both already.... ok. Both kick butt farming low mp.
What I'm looking for is which class has an easier time running mp10 solo?
ww/cm wizard and ww barbs are obviously both good but any input would be appreciated.
I agree that there's a lot of similarities between the build mechanics, both rely on secondary skills to proc resource generation and also mitigate damage through a constant stream of incoming life from those same skills. If a ww barb or cm wiz stop's they die.
I played barb from a couple weeks after release till December (up to p75) then sold him for 1.5 bil and rolled a CM wiz (now p57) IMO barbs are easier and cheaper to build initially and more effective because their gearing is more linear but as you progress to higher mp it becomes increasingly harder and expensive to be effective. 25 mil is enough to build a solid mp1 barb, figure doubling that for each mp. There might be people who are going to disagree with me here but when I say effective I don't mean dance around in mp10 molten pools for an hour without dying, I mean being able to kill stuff at an acceptable speed and contributing in groups. This is the tricky part of both these builds, invulnerability comes at a relatively cheap price but dps doesn't.
As for CM wiz, there's no point in building an mp1 cm wiz, your better off going archon so if your building one you really gearing for mp3-4 which means the cost of entry is higher 100+ million. But since a CM wiz effective dps is much higher then a barbs moving to higher mp lvl's is easier. When I hit 150k unbuffed dps on my wiz I could basically run through mp5 without stopping for my barb it wasn't till I hit 200k unbuffed that I saw similar results. And this is where I think CM wiz wins out, with a barb you buff skills br+ks+wrath (if not on cooldown) then stack skills sprint+ww or use hota for single targets, with wiz your stacking ww+cr+shards+sa and using bone chill+cold blooded+possible magic weapon to buff dmg. There's simply more skills doing more dmg and everythings stunlocked so your effective dps is much higher, especially against multiple targets.
The downside of CM wiz is your spamming skills constantly, 123,123,123 which can get tiring, also once you reach a certain gear lvl gearing choices get very limited and hard to find. I've been looking for an ammy upgrade for a month for example.
^^ I don't disagree that CM wiz can be built rather cheaply, it's a lot like barbs and getting the mechanics of the build working doenst take a lot of gold. I've seen CM wizards in mp8+ pub games with under 60k dps so i know they can servive, how much help they are is dubious with that kind of dps deficiency.
But I don't disagree with you just maybe interpret resonable killing speed differently, to me resonable it close to max efficiency when farming solo, so under 10 seconds for elite packs and chain reaction or storm armor should 1shot weaker mobs. Your not going to do that on mp3-4 with 60k dps.
Agree with you about CM wiz being cheaper to gear for high mp's though, the steepest jump is in the mid gear range from my experience when you go from low 5mil range in each slot to 50-100 mil.
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What I'm looking for is which class has an easier time running mp10 solo?
ww/cm wizard and ww barbs are obviously both good but any input would be appreciated.
While geared barbs don't have to worry much about incoming damage, geared CM wizards are virtually invulnerable with stunlock and Diamond Skin.
Barbs can travel across a map in virtually no time, and CM wizards that run Wormhole Teleport can essentially do the same thing.
So for barbs, do you want to spam WW/Sprint and run in circles while throwing down some occasional heavy hitting HotA on elites?
Or for wizards, do you want to spam the same buttons over and over and simply repeat the same process on every monster you see?
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I played barb from a couple weeks after release till December (up to p75) then sold him for 1.5 bil and rolled a CM wiz (now p57) IMO barbs are easier and cheaper to build initially and more effective because their gearing is more linear but as you progress to higher mp it becomes increasingly harder and expensive to be effective. 25 mil is enough to build a solid mp1 barb, figure doubling that for each mp. There might be people who are going to disagree with me here but when I say effective I don't mean dance around in mp10 molten pools for an hour without dying, I mean being able to kill stuff at an acceptable speed and contributing in groups. This is the tricky part of both these builds, invulnerability comes at a relatively cheap price but dps doesn't.
As for CM wiz, there's no point in building an mp1 cm wiz, your better off going archon so if your building one you really gearing for mp3-4 which means the cost of entry is higher 100+ million. But since a CM wiz effective dps is much higher then a barbs moving to higher mp lvl's is easier. When I hit 150k unbuffed dps on my wiz I could basically run through mp5 without stopping for my barb it wasn't till I hit 200k unbuffed that I saw similar results. And this is where I think CM wiz wins out, with a barb you buff skills br+ks+wrath (if not on cooldown) then stack skills sprint+ww or use hota for single targets, with wiz your stacking ww+cr+shards+sa and using bone chill+cold blooded+possible magic weapon to buff dmg. There's simply more skills doing more dmg and everythings stunlocked so your effective dps is much higher, especially against multiple targets.
The downside of CM wiz is your spamming skills constantly, 123,123,123 which can get tiring, also once you reach a certain gear lvl gearing choices get very limited and hard to find. I've been looking for an ammy upgrade for a month for example.
Anyways that's my 2c
But I don't disagree with you just maybe interpret resonable killing speed differently, to me resonable it close to max efficiency when farming solo, so under 10 seconds for elite packs and chain reaction or storm armor should 1shot weaker mobs. Your not going to do that on mp3-4 with 60k dps.
Agree with you about CM wiz being cheaper to gear for high mp's though, the steepest jump is in the mid gear range from my experience when you go from low 5mil range in each slot to 50-100 mil.