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  • #41
    I'm not sure having an AH in Diablo is wrong, but that it doesn't fit the fast pace of the game.

    I think the real challenge is coming up with an integrated trade system that exists outside of the instanced game worlds. One could argue that the trade channel is exactly that, but in reality, it's only a chatroom for advertising (read: spamming) or brokering a deal verbally. The actual trade takes place inside an instance.

    What really should happen is that they create a usable and intuitive interface for advertising which items you're offering that persists while you're hacking away at mobs as well as while you're back in the channels/matchmaking interface.

    It's this persistence that was lacking in D2. This doesn't mean players should be able to bid on items, but that it be possible for them to browse for and leave offers for items in the owner's mailbox of sorts (that are verbal and nonbinding, but offers nevertheless).

    This facilitates trading in a more robust way without slowing the economy or the pace of the game. It encourages interaction and communication and it might even reduce spam in some way.
  • #42
    I'm not sure having an AH in Diablo is wrong, but that it doesn't fit the fast pace of the game.

    Uh?

    The D2 trading system is far less fitting if thats how you look at it. AH would make everything much easier and faster. If anything, an AH fits way more with the "fast pace" of the game.
  • #43


    What really should happen is that they create a usable and intuitive interface for advertising which items you're offering that persists while you're hacking away at mobs as well as while you're back in the channels/matchmaking interface.



    Um...you just described exactly what an AH is. Verbatim.

    I liked your idea about posting offers on items posted in the AH.

    I'll use items from D2 to make the explanation of my system idea easier to grasp.

    I find a Windforce but I'm a Paladin. So I put it up on the AH. Now a Bowazon comes along and sees the Windforce, and posts an offer of a Shako. I really want a shako, but I think that the Windforce is worth just a bit more, so I can send a message through the AH interface to the bowazon who offered a Shako asking them if they can add to their offer. The Bowazon only has a Jah rune as something worth trading, and asks me to counter offer with a bit more. I then adjust my offer to her up to the Windforce and 2x40.15 jewels. She then accepts the offer, and then I accept the offer through the AH interface, and the items are automatically placed into either our inventories or stashes, wherever there is available space. While I'm dealing with this bowazon, I'm also dealing with another bowazon or a necro who wants the Windforce for their alt. Each "trade conversation" is unique, and when I finally decide to accept one of the offers on my windforce, everyone else who had an offer on it is messaged by the AH saying that the windforce they were making offers on has been traded.

    This seems like a really good idea to me. What do you guys think?
  • #44
    I have to agree with SFJAKE here having an AH is extremeley fast paced being that all you'd do is simply put an item up scroll down a list of acceptable offer, albeit money, items (AKA runes, pots, etc.), or armors. Then ffrom there its a matter of a search utility feature that searches the AH. Once an item has been found to either A be on sale, or B not be on sale you can either offer your Gold, items, armors, or weapons and if you have what he asks for and you agree with his terms of the trade then simply click a button that acesses all your items in the AH and drag and drop the items onto a similar plane as the trade in diablo and click an accept button and there you go. Your item is now in your inventory where as in his he has obtained the item given to him. Obviouslly if it was not found by the search utility then there would be an option to notify you if you would like, when it goes on sale. There are oobvious restrictions with this being one or both persons has insufficient space somewhere albeit stash or inventory to store said item. It take a while to yes explain the idea and thinking about it seems like it takes a while but in reality its a couple of clicks, wheras your fast paced version the notices while yes are good if your looking for that item otherwise it would just be screen cluttter and a bunch of spamming messages in the message box or on your screen. And no only that it is not as faced paced as an AH because yours involves having both people online. If one were to be offline said transaction could not be complete until said person arrives online and accepts and if the said person should not log on for a few days or hours it would therefore take longer than an AH to trade said item. =] just telling the facts


    EDIT: to masterpox if you read the ridiculously long post explaining why ah si fast paced you'll see why i think your idea is like his and therefore not fast paced but ill reiterate down here for quicker reference. You are requiring said persons to be online therefore slowing down the trade. instead of offering and counter offers just have an Ah where you ask for certain things like you put up that windforce but theres a scrolldown list and you can ask up to four things max either seperatley or combined, you put in 40k gold or jalal's now say someone has those, and your offline, why should that guy wait if someone offers something diffrent when you asked specifically for jalals or 40k gold. if someone should have the gold or jalals they should be able to accept and make that trade happen with the offerer offline if the guy with 40k gold offfers it for the windforce.
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  • #45
    My idea would take longer. That's true. But it would also allow you to get the best deal possible on your item. Having multiple people be able to offer on it and adjust their offer to compete against each other is great if your selling.

    My idea is exactly how contracts are bid/bought on the market in the real world.

    Bottom line, it might be slower, but it makes more sense economically standing.

    Let's say that you have an offer from someone your willing to accept but they don't log on for a few days. Nothing in my system prevents you from being impatient and trading it to someone else since that person hasn't been online to trade anyway.

    I think you need to understand that I'm talking about having everyone in the server/realm be able to see and bid on your items.

    Getting good deals and finding people to trade with wouldn't be an issue with my system.

    Most transactions would take place instantly the way that they do in D2 now except that there wouldn't be any cancelling trade screen, running to the stash, grabbing more, and coming back, or god forbid having to go grab a mule. Scamming might even be easier to catch (not that is was ever a problem so long as you weren't an idiot).

    How is someone not accepting an offer because they had to go to work and will have to wait to come home to accept the AH offer different than saying "Hey, I have to go to work, trade when I get home?" in diablo 2 and someone holding it for you.

    I guess I can understand how you might think it slows down gameplay...but I think when you count up all the parts, it either streamlines the system in parts or doesn't slow it down anymore than it is in d2 in other situations.

    I think if you really think about it, you'll like my system.




    EDIT: to masterpox if you read the ridiculously long post explaining why ah si fast paced you'll see why i think your idea is like his and therefore not fast paced but ill reiterate down here for quicker reference. You are requiring said persons to be online therefore slowing down the trade. instead of offering and counter offers just have an Ah where you ask for certain things like you put up that windforce but theres a scrolldown list and you can ask up to four things max either seperatley or combined, you put in 40k gold or jalal's now say someone has those, and your offline, why should that guy wait if someone offers something diffrent when you asked specifically for jalals or 40k gold. if someone should have the gold or jalals they should be able to accept and make that trade happen with the offerer offline if the guy with 40k gold offfers it for the windforce.


    That's easily remedied with an option for the person making an offer to auto accept upon the seller accepting.

    Example.

    I'm a bowazon and I see a Windforce on the AH. I make an offer on it for a Shako and set my offer to auto accept the deal should the person trading the Windforce agree to trade the windforce for the shako. Even if I'm offline at work, the game would still auto trade the item and it'll be waiting in my stash when I get home. The person with the windforce still has the choice send me a message that I'll get when I get home to adjust my offer if he or she wishes. He'll also be able to see that my offer is set to auto accept.

    Does that make sense?
  • #46
    Yes that would be useful if the person was lookign for offers but again that slows down the fast pace, I do see where your coming from but personally id never let people offer sometimes youd get crap offers not even worth it and then having to stay there and just wait, a big waste of time if you ask me, but i totlly get what your saying and it makes perfect sense. =]
    Not even Death will save you from Diablo Bunny's Cuteness!


  • #47
    Yes that would be useful if the person was lookign for offers but again that slows down the fast pace, I do see where your coming from but personally id never let people offer sometimes youd get crap offers not even worth it and then having to stay there and just wait, a big waste of time if you ask me, but i totlly get what your saying and it makes perfect sense. =]

    Lol how is that any different than how it works in D2 now?

    I'll eventually draw up a huge system proposal (how they do it in the real world when they're designing the game)

    Right now my idea is to set up the system so that you can essentially trade just like we always have in D2 without actually having to be in a game.

    To remedy the whole trying to trade an item for specific items, just add a comment box to the posting interface where you can list the items your specifically looking for, and whether your willing to accept other offers or not.

    That's not terribly complicated to program and implement.

    Edit:

    I just spent literally all day doing algebra for class, I came on here to unwind and talk about diablo 3, so thanks for challenging my noodle on how to design and implement a decent AH system. It's fun as hell for me. :-D
  • #48
    lol no problem and to your quetoon how its diffrent than d2 other than it being outside the game because in D2 you could put up and offer and request a specific item and auto trade if someone has that item willing to trade for yours. =]
    Not even Death will save you from Diablo Bunny's Cuteness!


  • #49
    lol no problem and to your quetoon how its diffrent than d2 other than it being outside the game because in D2 you could put up and offer and request a specific item and auto trade if someone has that item willing to trade for yours. =]

    Yeah. The system that I'm working on planning out is going to allow you to do all of that. Look at offers and request specific items. The advantage is that all of the Bullshit offers aren't going to require you to leave a trade window and wait 5 seconds for someone else to click on you and make another bullshit offer. You can just either ignore or straight up reject dumb offers on ur items in an AH ui.
  • #50
    yeah they really need to implement somethign such as this because it would ease the flow of the game no more trade specific games clustering up the games lobby. Plus i feel it would be much qquicker and painless for a system like that to be implemented just overall an easier user experience which is what their going for right?...right
    Not even Death will save you from Diablo Bunny's Cuteness!


  • #51
    yeah they really need to implement somethign such as this because it would ease the flow of the game no more trade specific games clustering up the games lobby. Plus i feel it would be much qquicker and painless for a system like that to be implemented just overall an easier user experience which is what their going for right?...right

    I look at it this way:

    Do I want to spend an hour creating/joining/searching for trade games to trade my item? Or do I want to be able to post it publicly and check up on offers for the item from time to time and finally trade it when an offer that I like comes along and continue playing/leveling/finding more items to trade while I wait for offers to come in?

    I think everyone would agree they like the latter way of trading. You want to not break up the action and keep playing in a fast paced game? Spending hours lurking in the trade channel and joining trade games over and over again looking for a specific item with specific stats sounds like the epitome of breaking up the fast paced action.

    When you think about it in those terms, no matter how an Auction House is structured, it's going to be better than the system in the previous D2 games.
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