Archon DPS and EHP recommedations vs MP

  • #41
    Quote from Protax010

    Nice post Loroese!
    If I understand it well, looking @ my wizard:

    http://www.diablopro...ystara/17224991

    For MP10 my damage is to low? And my EHP is good enough for MP8?
    Wish I finally have some luck with my craft, to gain some more EHP (and hopefully damage).


    nice set up man. your unbuffd dps isn't far from my archon guru http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/xfactor-1647/XFactor/1270273 and you can check his vid. not even using scoundrel bonus :D
  • #42
    Quote from pichapie

    nice set up man. your unbuffd dps isn't far from my archon guru http://www.diablopro...XFactor/1270273 and you can check his vid. not even using scoundrel bonus :D


    Thanks! Only I'm stuck @ the moment, cannot find any upgrades that I can affort (got like 2b gold).
    Hopefully I've some more luck with crafts soon, so I can get some more EHP and DPS.

    619,531.71
    Damage per Second
    534,427.49
    Effective Hit Points
  • #43
    yeah that's how it is man. when you're gg, your next upgrade will be hard to come by, both price wise and availability.
  • #44
    Quote from pichapie

    yeah that's how it is man. when you're gg, your next upgrade will be hard to come by, both price wise and availability.


    Think my next upgrade needs to be my pants, or a Tal Rasha's amulet.
    Some of these amulets give me +12k DPS, but only for sale on the RMAH for 250 euro :(
  • #45
    hmm why not set a threshold for your upgrades like stop for now and rely on crafting and farming or flipping.

    yeah after the /tinfoil hat "intentional gold duping so blizzard can transition every GG item to rmah only" all gg items are there now and 3rd party sites. it's very demeaning if you ask me.

    a gg item enters GAH, instant buyout/max bid; bot :(

    oh you're euro? aww thought you were US, would love to farm
  • #46
    Quote from pichapie

    hmm why not set a threshold for your upgrades like stop for now and rely on crafting and farming or flipping.

    yeah after the /tinfoil hat "intentional gold duping so blizzard can transition every GG item to rmah only" all gg items are there now and 3rd party sites. it's very demeaning if you ask me.

    a gg item enters GAH, instant buyout/max bid; bot :(

    oh you're euro? aww thought you were US, would love to farm


    Yeah the really need to change someting, the economy is getting worse and worse :S
    I will add you to my list so we can farm :)
  • #47
    Quote from Protax010

    Nice post Loroese!
    If I understand it well, looking @ my wizard:

    http://www.diablopro...ystara/17224991

    For MP10 my damage is to low? And my EHP is good enough for MP8?
    Wish I finally have some luck with my craft, to gain some more EHP (and hopefully damage).

    Edit:
    With buffs on, I have:

    619,531.71
    Damage per Second
    534,427.49
    Effective Hit Points


    Your EHP should be fine for MP10, assuming you have enough mitigation or good enough tactics for RD. The DPS probably works for MP10 but will be a little slower than recommended, but might be worth it because of the extra MF and bonus item chance. If you don't already I'd say give MP10 a try and see how it goes. I really mean the recommendations as guidelines to help people see where a good place to start is or what targets to aim for. Feel free to push the boundaries to suit your play style.

    EDIT: After looking at your profile I think there might be some confusion about what EHP to use. Whenever I say EHP I mean pre-dodge ehp since dodge doesn't technically add to EHP, it just adds to survivability. I added that to my list of assumptions. I am not sure if your EHP value includes dodge but if I had to guess I'd say it does, so your EHP might be a tad low for MP10, mainly RD mobs, but you can still try and see for yourself.
    My EHP and DPS Spreadsheet, mostly useful for wizards.
    My wizard, mostly useful for killing demons and collecting loot.
    Wizard CM DPS Simulator, written in Matlab, release version 1.01
    Comprehensive CMWW Guide, including gear and build suggestions, plus Uber strats
    Arcane Mines Guide, detailed guide for the highest dps wizard build, including vids
  • #48
    Quote from Loroese

    Quote from Protax010

    Nice post Loroese!
    If I understand it well, looking @ my wizard:

    http://www.diablopro...ystara/17224991

    For MP10 my damage is to low? And my EHP is good enough for MP8?
    Wish I finally have some luck with my craft, to gain some more EHP (and hopefully damage).

    Edit:
    With buffs on, I have:

    619,531.71
    Damage per Second
    534,427.49
    Effective Hit Points


    Your EHP should be fine for MP10, assuming you have enough mitigation or good enough tactics for RD. The DPS probably works for MP10 but will be a little slower than recommended, but might be worth it because of the extra MF and bonus item chance. If you don't already I'd say give MP10 a try and see how it goes. I really mean the recommendations as guidelines to help people see where a good place to start is or what targets to aim for. Feel free to push the boundaries to suit your play style.

    EDIT: After looking at your profile I think there might be some confusion about what EHP to use. Whenever I say EHP I mean pre-dodge ehp since dodge doesn't technically add to EHP, it just adds to survivability. I added that to my list of assumptions. I am not sure if your EHP value includes dodge but if I had to guess I'd say it does, so your EHP might be a tad low for MP10, mainly RD mobs, but you can still try and see for yourself.


    Bought myself a new chest armor, that gave me a lot more EHP.
    Still don't know if it's enough now for MP10, but hopefully RD packs are less hard now :)
  • #49
    Quote from Protax010

    Quote from pichapie

    hmm why not set a threshold for your upgrades like stop for now and rely on crafting and farming or flipping.

    yeah after the /tinfoil hat "intentional gold duping so blizzard can transition every GG item to rmah only" all gg items are there now and 3rd party sites. it's very demeaning if you ask me.

    a gg item enters GAH, instant buyout/max bid; bot :(

    oh you're euro? aww thought you were US, would love to farm


    Yeah the really need to change someting, the economy is getting worse and worse :S
    I will add you to my list so we can farm :)


    sadly that's not possible. i'm US, you're EU from what i saw :(
  • #50
    Excellent post Loroese. Just want one clarification, when we are talking about dps and ehp we are talking about it in regards to elites right? Not just normal mobs. This is in regards to players with Reduced Dmg Taken Vs Elites and Increased Dmg against elites like me.

    From my experience (solo) a scoundrel with a Buriza and an earth fury mean that your necessary EHP can be much less. I am extremely efficient farming Mp9 solo (cold blooded) with a base EHP of 360K and elite ehp of 385k. I also have a base 4 dmg reduction against melee which may add to my ehp and isn't taken into account.

    I do think your dps values are spot on, especially for MP 8/9.
  • #51
    The EHP is mostly meant for elites, the dps is meant for both elites and trash, but mainly for elites if I had to pick.

    You say you only have a base EHP of 360k, but I'm talking about buffed EHP and yours is about the same as mine, which is around 500-530k buffed.
    My EHP and DPS Spreadsheet, mostly useful for wizards.
    My wizard, mostly useful for killing demons and collecting loot.
    Wizard CM DPS Simulator, written in Matlab, release version 1.01
    Comprehensive CMWW Guide, including gear and build suggestions, plus Uber strats
    Arcane Mines Guide, detailed guide for the highest dps wizard build, including vids
  • #52
    A little confused, cause I am using your spreadsheet for the EHP calculations, and based on that, my EHP is 360K (385K elite) with glass canon and energy armor (pinpoint barrier). And looking at our profiles we have roughly the same vit and all res, so why is your 500-530k buffed? Maybe I am calculating something wrong in the calculator? All other values match up.
  • #53
    Are you adding Archon Form too? Part of the reason I spoke up is because we have such similar stats. It's actually kind of eerie.
    My EHP and DPS Spreadsheet, mostly useful for wizards.
    My wizard, mostly useful for killing demons and collecting loot.
    Wizard CM DPS Simulator, written in Matlab, release version 1.01
    Comprehensive CMWW Guide, including gear and build suggestions, plus Uber strats
    Arcane Mines Guide, detailed guide for the highest dps wizard build, including vids
  • #54
    oh I am not adding archon form, I assumed it was for when we are not in archon! Maybe that should be a little clearer for people who are a bit slow like me :)

    In archon form my EHP vs elites is 600K!
  • #55
    Oh and Loroese I promise I am not e-stalking you and copying gear. :hehe:
  • #56
    Yeah when I say buffed I mean buffed with everything you should be running with. That includes Armor spell, glass cannon, Archon form, even War Cry if you run with a barb. Archon form adds a TON of EHP. It's one reason I find it so hard to run other builds. You need that EHP for high MP without someone freezing but you have to get that EHP somewhere, which tends to mean dropping dps for extra armor and resists.
    My EHP and DPS Spreadsheet, mostly useful for wizards.
    My wizard, mostly useful for killing demons and collecting loot.
    Wizard CM DPS Simulator, written in Matlab, release version 1.01
    Comprehensive CMWW Guide, including gear and build suggestions, plus Uber strats
    Arcane Mines Guide, detailed guide for the highest dps wizard build, including vids
  • #57
    Great post :) sticky please.
  • #58
    Nice post, I came to similar requirements the hard way (although I can`t farm very high mp, so much time wasted)
  • #59
    Found this topic as I am wondering what MP level should fit my archon wiz.

    At this point, I have 200k dps // 337k EHP full buffed in Archon. I feel comfortable farming MP3. Regarding this chart, I should be somewhere between MP5 and MP6. I absolutely dont feel comfortable higher than MP4.

    Only thing I can think of being wrong with my gear at this point is missing Life steal in my weapon. Is it really the main problem that makes this much of difference? Or is there anything I miss in build / gearing?

    Might be worth saying here I built this Wiz up from like 5m gold (not being budget char, Im just poor lol)

    http://d3up.com/b/1104030#gear
    http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Saery-2244/hero/11641450
  • #60
    Quote from Saery

    Found this topic as I am wondering what MP level should fit my archon wiz.

    At this point, I have 200k dps // 337k EHP full buffed in Archon. I feel comfortable farming MP3. Regarding this chart, I should be somewhere between MP5 and MP6. I absolutely dont feel comfortable higher than MP4.

    Only thing I can think of being wrong with my gear at this point is missing Life steal in my weapon. Is it really the main problem that makes this much of difference? Or is there anything I miss in build / gearing?

    Might be worth saying here I built this Wiz up from like 5m gold (not being budget char, Im just poor lol)

    http://d3up.com/b/1104030#gear
    http://eu.battle.net...4/hero/11641450


    Yes, LS makes a huge difference. Without it you die immediately to any Reflect monsters, and have no reliable way of healing.
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