Playing arround with builds

  • #1
    Hey everyone,

    I was looking at all the skills, and though charricters like this dont often do well, what do you think of this build:

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#gShlOi!XTh

    my idea behind it was a lot of great big hit abillites with a way to keep mana up and some protection (with teleport and slow time). It looks like it would be fun to try out.
  • #2
    This is a pretty good build for the most part, but here's my advice:
    1.You should also pick some runes, they're a vital part of your build
    2. Don't use virtuoso unless you plan on going in melee range, and if you are, then I absolutely recommend an armor spell.

    I love your choice of slow time and teleport; they're great evasive skills.
  • #3
    Quote from trobert

    This is a pretty good build for the most part, but here's my advice:
    1.You should also pick some runes, they're a vital part of your build
    2. Don't use virtuoso unless you plan on going in melee range, and if you are, then I absolutely recommend an armor spell.

    I love your choice of slow time and teleport; they're great evasive skills.


    You're right on the 1, wrong imo on the 2. You pick up Virtuoso if you are not going to want a signature spell. Virtuoso turns your wand attacks (which are ranged) into an AP generator as well as a minor heal. If you do keep Virtuoso you should ditch Arcane Dynamo simply because the damage bonus it would give is pointless in comparison to the extra AP you'd generate from using your basic attack 8 times and pick up 120 AP and 8% life which is more than enough to cast two to three extra spells. Switch electrocute to an indigo energy armor if you want to keep Virtuoso.
    What are you willing to sacrifice?
  • #4
    Quote from kendro1200

    Quote from trobert

    This is a pretty good build for the most part, but here's my advice:
    1.You should also pick some runes, they're a vital part of your build
    2. Don't use virtuoso unless you plan on going in melee range, and if you are, then I absolutely recommend an armor spell.

    I love your choice of slow time and teleport; they're great evasive skills.


    You're right on the 1, wrong imo on the 2. You pick up Virtuoso if you are not going to want a signature spell. Virtuoso turns your wand attacks (which are ranged) into an AP generator as well as a minor heal. If you do keep Virtuoso you should ditch Arcane Dynamo simply because the damage bonus it would give is pointless in comparison to the extra AP you'd generate from using your basic attack 8 times and pick up 120 AP and 8% life which is more than enough to cast two to three extra spells. Switch electrocute to an indigo energy armor if you want to keep Virtuoso.


    What I was thinking with the signature ability is that if I was trying to do damage, I could use it while waiting for abillity cooldowns to wear off, where as with my basic wand attack, it would generate mana/health if I needed it. This way, if I shoot off the 3 other spells I have and am waiting, I can still hit lots of targets with my wand (I replaced the Arcane Dynamo to give my signature attack some mana generation as well) and get some extra mana, or just go to full mana replentishing mode. Hopefully with something like this, I can be shooting off big spells, and not needing mana potions, while minimally relying on health potions becuase I can always slow time or teleport far away very fast.

    I havnt played the game, so I really have no idea if this is even viable as a strategity, but I konw I am stingy and dont like using potions lol, so I'm trying to help my play style. Here is the verson with added runes, and a change in one ability:

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#gShlOi!XTc!YYYaZa
  • #5
    I think you should make 2 builds. One with runes, and one without them. You never know, you could be extremely unlucky and get no runes you like, so you could manage off of a no runes build, but you also have to have a goal to strive for. You need to have that ideal build that you are always attempting to get. It'll give you more of a reason to play the game. You want that perfect class for yourself. This involves giving some time into rune farming. I do like your more defensive/control build though. A lot of wizards are really chaotic, because they have the ability to do so with signature moves and extremely quick resource regeneration. So congratulations :D I also am trying to make a very controlled build with a chaotic class (Demon Hunter) Hope to see you in the world of Sanctuary good sir :P
  • #6
    Quote from doodels613

    So is there no merit to having your want attack do extra damage, be a free attack to use because of lots of high mana attacks, and chain to hit more then one enemy for extra ap and extra life with each shooing of my wand?


    I'm really sorry, can someone translate this for me please. I'm not trying to be rude. My brain simply cannot decipher what he typed between the potential misspellings and odd grammar. I'd really like to be able to answer this question and help him if I can. I've been staring at this for ten minutes and just when I think I've figured out what he meant I look at it again and find a whole new possible meaning.
    I'm not sure if he's asking about further clarification on Virtouso and dropping electrocute/Arcane Dynamo or if he's asking if he should drop Virtouso and keep the other two.
    What are you willing to sacrifice?
  • #7
    Quote from kendro1200

    Quote from doodels613

    So is there no merit to having your want attack do extra damage, be a free attack to use because of lots of high mana attacks, and chain to hit more then one enemy for extra ap and extra life with each shooing of my wand?


    I'm really sorry, can someone translate this for me please. I'm not trying to be rude. My brain simply cannot decipher what he typed between the potential misspellings and odd grammar. I'd really like to be able to answer this question and help him if I can. I've been staring at this for ten minutes and just when I think I've figured out what he meant I look at it again and find a whole new possible meaning.
    I'm not sure if he's asking about further clarification on Virtouso and dropping electrocute/Arcane Dynamo or if he's asking if he should drop Virtouso and keep the other two.


    sorry, I realised it did not make much sense so I rephrased what I wanted to say above lol
  • #8
    Quote from doodels613

    Quote from kendro1200

    Quote from doodels613

    So is there no merit to having your want attack do extra damage, be a free attack to use because of lots of high mana attacks, and chain to hit more then one enemy for extra ap and extra life with each shooing of my wand?


    I'm really sorry, can someone translate this for me please. I'm not trying to be rude. My brain simply cannot decipher what he typed between the potential misspellings and odd grammar. I'd really like to be able to answer this question and help him if I can. I've been staring at this for ten minutes and just when I think I've figured out what he meant I look at it again and find a whole new possible meaning.
    I'm not sure if he's asking about further clarification on Virtouso and dropping electrocute/Arcane Dynamo or if he's asking if he should drop Virtouso and keep the other two.


    sorry, I realised it did not make much sense so I rephrased what I wanted to say above lol


    It's ok, I'm re-reading through it now. First thing I'd like to point out is that Wizards use arcane power not mana and there are no mana or arcane power potions. Next off, you'd want to pick either using a signature ability or using your wand, it would be very sub-optimal to use both. Signature abilities are designed to generally replace your basic weapon attack, by giving you an attack that is generally ranged regardless of what kind of weapon you're using (apart from spectral blades) and give you something to do while you wait for your arcane power to regenerate. As you already noticed in your most recent build prodigy allows you to turn your basic attacks into minor AP (arcane power) generators.
    Now Virtuoso exists for people who have a really good wand and off hand, are not planning on using anything but those two, and want to use another offensive or utility spell instead of a signature ability. This allows them to use an AP free attack, generate some AP and also heal themselves a little.

    Your current build has electrocute, which is a signature spell, and Virtuoso. While you can do this, and switch between your basic attack and electrocute, most people would consider this undesirable, it would be better to pick one or the other. You don't have to, but if you wanted to there are a few options.

    If you wanted to keep Virtuoso, I'd drop electrocute and replace it with an indigo energy armor, like in this build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#QShlOi!XTd!YYYaZa
    This build will only really work as long as you use a wand, the moment you use a weapon other than a wand, this build begins to fall apart. That is the crux of any Virtuoso build.

    If you decided you wanted to drop Virtuoso now, here is another alternative that could complement your build fairly well.
    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#gShlOi!hTc!YYYaZa
    The reason Arcane Dynamo is agreeable in this build is that electrocute is now one of your most casted abilities. You will get flash of insight often enough in this case that it'll be beneficial to your spells like blizzard and meteor. If you don't want to use Arcane Dynamo, Conflagration is also a possible replacement for Virtuoso, as thanks to your crimson runed meteor, the 15% increased damage taken can last up to 6 seconds after the meteor lands. That's an additional 15% damage for more meteors, blizzards or explosive blasts.
    Don't forget though that you will only get one charge of insight per cast of electrocute, as there is an internal cooldown on Arcane Dynamo of .9 seconds. The seven leaps electrocute could do will be done in under a second, and so you will always only get one insight charge from it.
    What are you willing to sacrifice?
  • #9
    Quote from kendro1200

    Quote from doodels613

    Quote from kendro1200

    Quote from doodels613

    So is there no merit to having your want attack do extra damage, be a free attack to use because of lots of high mana attacks, and chain to hit more then one enemy for extra ap and extra life with each shooing of my wand?


    I'm really sorry, can someone translate this for me please. I'm not trying to be rude. My brain simply cannot decipher what he typed between the potential misspellings and odd grammar. I'd really like to be able to answer this question and help him if I can. I've been staring at this for ten minutes and just when I think I've figured out what he meant I look at it again and find a whole new possible meaning.
    I'm not sure if he's asking about further clarification on Virtouso and dropping electrocute/Arcane Dynamo or if he's asking if he should drop Virtouso and keep the other two.


    sorry, I realised it did not make much sense so I rephrased what I wanted to say above lol


    It's ok, I'm re-reading through it now. First thing I'd like to point out is that Wizards use arcane power not mana and there are no mana or arcane power potions. Next off, you'd want to pick either using a signature ability or using your wand, it would be very sub-optimal to use both. Signature abilities are designed to generally replace your basic weapon attack, by giving you an attack that is generally ranged regardless of what kind of weapon you're using (apart from spectral blades) and give you something to do while you wait for your arcane power to regenerate. As you already noticed in your most recent build prodigy allows you to turn your basic attacks into minor AP (arcane power) generators.
    Now Virtuoso exists for people who have a really good wand and off hand, are not planning on using anything but those two, and want to use another offensive or utility spell instead of a signature ability. This allows them to use an AP free attack, generate some AP and also heal themselves a little.

    Your current build has electrocute, which is a signature spell, and Virtuoso. While you can do this, and switch between your basic attack and electrocute, most people would consider this undesirable, it would be better to pick one or the other. You don't have to, but if you wanted to there are a few options.

    If you wanted to keep Virtuoso, I'd drop electrocute and replace it with an indigo energy armor, like in this build: http://us.battle.net...hlOi!XTd!YYYaZa
    This build will only really work as long as you use a wand, the moment you use a weapon other than a wand, this build begins to fall apart. That is the crux of any Virtuoso build.

    If you decided you wanted to drop Virtuoso now, here is another alternative that could complement your build fairly well.
    http://us.battle.net...hlOi!hTc!YYYaZa
    The reason Arcane Dynamo is agreeable in this build is that electrocute is now one of your most casted abilities. You will get flash of insight often enough in this case that it'll be beneficial to your spells like blizzard and meteor. If you don't want to use Arcane Dynamo, Conflagration is also a possible replacement for Virtuoso, as thanks to your crimson runed meteor, the 15% increased damage taken can last up to 6 seconds after the meteor lands. That's an additional 15% damage for more meteors, blizzards or explosive blasts.
    Don't forget though that you will only get one charge of insight per cast of electrocute, as there is an internal cooldown on Arcane Dynamo of .9 seconds. The seven leaps electrocute could do will be done in under a second, and so you will always only get one insight charge from it.


    I think I like that, and ill go with it and just take vrituoso out. Does the abililty that lowers cooldowns work on bulding arcane charges?
  • #10
    If you're asking if Evocation reduces the internal cooldown of building up arcane charges, it is possible, any green number is subject to some form of change via build or player gear. My initial guess is to say it is unlikely though (That Evocation will lower the internal cooldown). Even if it does, that won't change that electrocute will most likely only give you one charge per cast. Shock pulse is the only ability I think that could possibly give you more than one arcane charge per cast, simply because of the random direction there is a possibility for one of the three pulses to hit an enemy and another one hit someone else a second later.

    If you lowered the internal cooldown of Arcane Dynamo to something like .1 or .2 seconds, then indigo electrocute may be able to chain up more than one arcane charge per cast of electrocute.
    What are you willing to sacrifice?
  • #11
    Quote from kendro1200

    If you're asking if Evocation reduces the internal cooldown of building up arcane charges, it is possible, any green number is subject to some form of change via build or player gear. My initial guess is to say it is unlikely though (That Evocation will lower the internal cooldown). Even if it does, that won't change that electrocute will most likely only give you one charge per cast. Shock pulse is the only ability I think that could possibly give you more than one arcane charge per cast, simply because of the random direction there is a possibility for one of the three pulses to hit an enemy and another one hit someone else a second later.

    If you lowered the internal cooldown of Arcane Dynamo to something like .1 or .2 seconds, then indigo electrocute may be able to chain up more than one arcane charge per cast of electrocute.


    thanks for all the advice, I think I will try this build when I can get into the game, be it beta or full verson lol
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