How the hell is this happening with less str from the shield? I mean c'mon its a weapon, shouldnt dw increase the dps a little even if they got the same ammount of str?
Yes im a noob, thank you
Is the dps on your main hand a lot more than your off hand?
Because skills will often alternate weapons, which means half your attacks use your off-hand. If the dps of the two weapons differ alot, it can seriously drop your dps compared with always hitting with main hand.
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And may the odds be ever in your favour. Emmo#2406
When dual weilding, you alternate which weapon you attack with. So, despite the +15% attack speed buff, your main weapon hits less times in the same amount of time. If your secondary weapon has a big difference in DPS, you'll end up doing less damage than if you hit with just your main (without taking into account any +Strenght from the shield).
In some other thread, someone compared it with hitting with just a sword, or alternating between a sword and a feather. Even if you hit faster, your feather attacks will do much less damage, resulting in a loss of DPS.
That's the problem then. If you plan on dual weilding, make sure your weapons are of similar DPS, otherwise it's just better to use a single weapon (be it sword and board or a two hander).
That's the problem then. If you plan on dual weilding, make sure your weapons are of similar DPS, otherwise it's just better to use a single weapon (be it sword and board or a two hander).
I can make up an example if it's still not clear.
I get it, thanks for all the answers
One more question, its viable to play DW barb now that the evil guys from inferno got nerfed? or pheraps its better (or cheaper) try a 2 hand weapon?
I have no idea about that, I haven't hit Inferno yet, I'm leveling all 5 classes evenly. But from what I hear, Barbs that could clear Inferno before the nerf now just breeze through it, so maybe it's viable to go without a shield. But don't take my word for it, wait for someone that is actually at Inferno to answer.
1.03 for barbs means you can have SOOOOOO much fun experimenting - sword and board is cool to take on like 4 elite packs or even take on the same 4 packs with a 2 hander and crit for some stupid amounts
That's the problem then. If you plan on dual weilding, make sure your weapons are of similar DPS, otherwise it's just better to use a single weapon (be it sword and board or a two hander).
I can make up an example if it's still not clear.
I get it, thanks for all the answers
One more question, its viable to play DW barb now that the evil guys from inferno got nerfed? or pheraps its better (or cheaper) try a 2 hand weapon?
Right now I'm farming Act II with a 2H Crit EQ WotB build (linked in my signature) and it's a lot of fun blowing up two champion packs at the same time. I also like to use a dual-wield heavy LoH Frenzy build for lots of sustain, but 2H for me right now is faster.
I do Act 1 and 2 with a nasty 2h 1200+ dps and lots of crit. I still keep nerves of steel as a passive because i get hit noticeably harder with the 2h but with armor leap charge heal and revenge its easy to stay alive. I still use a shield and 1h for Act3/4 though its just safer especially now when a few deaths equal a loss of gold for the run.
My stats for Act 1/2 are around 500 resistances 6k armor and 28k life. Dps is at 25k at full rage and 50k+ with WOTB up.
Act 3/4 I bump it up to 800 resistances 9k armor and 40k life and drop my dps down to 15k.
I should also note beating enrage times on bosses is probably the most difficult part of the game now so your DPS is very important.
That's the problem then. If you plan on dual weilding, make sure your weapons are of similar DPS, otherwise it's just better to use a single weapon (be it sword and board or a two hander).
I can make up an example if it's still not clear.
I get it, thanks for all the answers
One more question, its viable to play DW barb now that the evil guys from inferno got nerfed? or pheraps its better (or cheaper) try a 2 hand weapon?
Right now I'm farming Act II with a 2H Crit EQ WotB build (linked in my signature) and it's a lot of fun blowing up two champion packs at the same time. I also like to use a dual-wield heavy LoH Frenzy build for lots of sustain, but 2H for me right now is faster.
Aldrek - I picked up an 'ok' 2-handed to try your build.
Out of curiosity, what are the stats that you're looking for in gear to progress? Str/Vit + resists? or something else?
Aldrek - I picked up an 'ok' 2-handed to try your build.
Out of curiosity, what are the stats that you're looking for in gear to progress? Str/Vit + resists? or something else?
Thanks!
I definitely need more defensives right now, myself.
Generally I look for Vit/Str/All Resist/Crit%/Crit Damage/IAS (Kind of in order of importance, depending on if you need more defense or offense. Also IAS is probably not better than Crit for this build. If you can get a lot of both without sacrifice though, that's awesome). Personally my damage is fine but my defense is lacking for Act III, so I'm looking to up my Vitality and All Resist.
As far as Armor goes, it's good if you can get it, but I prefer All Resist. In an ideal situation you'd have a 10:1 ratio of Armor to All Resist, but that's really hard to do without a shield, so just try to keep your Armor as high as you can without sacrificing much else for it.
you can definetly clear inferno with DW and two hander now, i sold my stormshield and my + block gear because i was just taking no damage at all and am going dual wield wirl wind spec.
to repeat we are NOT required to sword/board in inferno act/2/3/4 anymore!
Thank you. It was taking a good couple of minutes for me to solo the elites in Act 1 - but now, and granted I'm dying more often cause I'm not used to it, it's like stand - whack whack whack - get yellow. Good stuff.
Thanks again!
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Dps with my main sword http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/10402169.jpg/
Dps with my shield http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/16663485.jpg/ (got some str)
DW Dps http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/51/15838856.jpg/ (more str than shield)
How the hell is this happening with less str from the shield? I mean c'mon its a weapon, shouldnt dw increase the dps a little even if they got the same ammount of str?
Yes im a noob, thank you
Because skills will often alternate weapons, which means half your attacks use your off-hand. If the dps of the two weapons differ alot, it can seriously drop your dps compared with always hitting with main hand.
And may the odds be ever in your favour.
Emmo#2406
without looking further into it when dual wielding the calculations are halved or more on the second hand (i think)
In some other thread, someone compared it with hitting with just a sword, or alternating between a sword and a feather. Even if you hit faster, your feather attacks will do much less damage, resulting in a loss of DPS.
I can make up an example if it's still not clear.
One more question, its viable to play DW barb now that the evil guys from inferno got nerfed? or pheraps its better (or cheaper) try a 2 hand weapon?
My stats for Act 1/2 are around 500 resistances 6k armor and 28k life. Dps is at 25k at full rage and 50k+ with WOTB up.
Act 3/4 I bump it up to 800 resistances 9k armor and 40k life and drop my dps down to 15k.
I should also note beating enrage times on bosses is probably the most difficult part of the game now so your DPS is very important.
Aldrek - I picked up an 'ok' 2-handed to try your build.
Out of curiosity, what are the stats that you're looking for in gear to progress? Str/Vit + resists? or something else?
Thanks!
Generally I look for Vit/Str/All Resist/Crit%/Crit Damage/IAS (Kind of in order of importance, depending on if you need more defense or offense. Also IAS is probably not better than Crit for this build. If you can get a lot of both without sacrifice though, that's awesome). Personally my damage is fine but my defense is lacking for Act III, so I'm looking to up my Vitality and All Resist.
As far as Armor goes, it's good if you can get it, but I prefer All Resist. In an ideal situation you'd have a 10:1 ratio of Armor to All Resist, but that's really hard to do without a shield, so just try to keep your Armor as high as you can without sacrificing much else for it.
to repeat we are NOT required to sword/board in inferno act/2/3/4 anymore!
Thanks again!