Just started playing Barbarian...

  • #41
    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    lol u smashed them when u died in HC? i would do the same. ive broken some xbox controllers over some dumb shit


    Yes, i did, since i didn't want to recover them from the "save" directory. The monitor was broken because of Hell Duriel.
  • #42
    Quote from DenkaSaeba25

    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    lol u smashed them when u died in HC? i would do the same. ive broken some xbox controllers over some dumb shit


    Yes, i did, since i didn't want to recover them from the "save" directory. The monitor was broken because of Hell Duriel.


    im far too angry to ever play HC. losing an entire char ive spent hours n hours on would ruin the game for me and make me not want to play. if say you get a super severe penalty when you die in HC like you lose all your gear permanantly then i would play. but losing your char..... no way
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #43
    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    im far too angry to ever play HC. losing an entire char ive spent hours n hours on would ruin the game for me and make me not want to play. if say you get a super severe penalty when you die in HC like you lose all your gear permanantly then i would play. but losing your char..... no way


    Same for me. I'd just be angry for ages. Plus, i don't really like defensive builds. I want to see big numbers, crits and fun, and not be terrorized by every mob. HC isn't really made for me, even if i recognize i could be good enough to finish it.
  • #44
    Quote from DenkaSaeba25

    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    im far too angry to ever play HC. losing an entire char ive spent hours n hours on would ruin the game for me and make me not want to play. if say you get a super severe penalty when you die in HC like you lose all your gear permanantly then i would play. but losing your char..... no way


    Same for me. I'd just be angry for ages. Plus, i don't really like defensive builds. I want to see big numbers, crits and fun, and not be terrorized by every mob. HC isn't really made for me, even if i recognize i could be good enough to finish it.


    feel exactly the same. defense= lamesauce. the build in my sig has terrible defense but awesome dmg potential and i want most of my builds like that. itll make inferno harder but since its softcore im not paranoid. obviously if i die nonstop then ill go more defense accordingly.
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #45
    Quote from DenkaSaeba25

    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    im far too angry to ever play HC. losing an entire char ive spent hours n hours on would ruin the game for me and make me not want to play. if say you get a super severe penalty when you die in HC like you lose all your gear permanantly then i would play. but losing your char..... no way


    Same for me. I'd just be angry for ages. Plus, i don't really like defensive builds. I want to see big numbers, crits and fun, and not be terrorized by every mob. HC isn't really made for me, even if i recognize i could be good enough to finish it.

    Strive to find the perfect balance! Hence why I usually shutdown most builds I see on the barbarian forum. With enough time, gear and attempts, most builds will work in softcore. You just don't have that luxury in hardcore.

    My main build has insane damage and survival, even more now with the armor and wrath change. Not to forget the in-direct buff to Tough as Nails.

    Still wonder how big of an armor difference it will be when you compare Nerves of Steel and Tough as Nails.
    Black Swordsman
  • #46
    Quote from Firehært

    Still wonder how big of an armor difference it will be when you compare Nerves of Steel and Tough as Nails.


    Well, i think (think) that these abilities would be mostly on par, with a slight edge for NoS, since ToN gets also the increased thorn damage (which seems to be able to do some real pain, at least from beta videos).

    That said, we can expect a value, for Vitality at baseline level 60, around 800-1000. 200-250+ armor seems to be a lot, comparable to an extra piece of inventory (the best level 60 legendary boots are around that numbers), but obiouvsly ToN would be a lot better. But if Vitality increases to higher numbers, NoS will gain weight again.
  • #47
    Quote from Firehært

    Strive to find the perfect balance! Hence why I usually shutdown most builds I see on the barbarian forum. With enough time, gear and attempts, most builds will work in softcore. You just don't have that luxury in hardcore.

    My main build has insane damage and survival, even more now with the armor and wrath change. Not to forget the in-direct buff to Tough as Nails.

    Still wonder how big of an armor difference it will be when you compare Nerves of Steel and Tough as Nails.


    i try and make fun/odd builds that are also extremely high in damage. in D2 the best defense was a powerful offense, but you had to be careful so it made it more intense. having a great defense makes it more boring because there is less risk, i get that since you play HC you still get the rush even with a highly defensive build but meh.. too high a risk. lol

    what indirect buff to tough as nails?

    link to your build?
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #48
    Quote from DenkaSaeba25

    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    lol u smashed them when u died in HC? i would do the same. ive broken some xbox controllers over some dumb shit


    Yes, i did, since i didn't want to recover them from the "save" directory. The monitor was broken because of Hell Duriel.


    I have yet to break anything--BUT when lag wiped out my Javazon I beat my desk pretty hard, bruising my hand. HC comes with risks, Blizzard will have to put a release from lawsuit in their Eula...
    -ZombieDOc
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  • #49
    Quote from DenkaSaeba25

    Quote from Firehært

    Still wonder how big of an armor difference it will be when you compare Nerves of Steel and Tough as Nails.


    Well, i think (think) that these abilities would be mostly on par, with a slight edge for NoS, since ToN gets also the increased thorn damage (which seems to be able to do some real pain, at least from beta videos).

    That said, we can expect a value, for Vitality at baseline level 60, around 800-1000. 200-250+ armor seems to be a lot, comparable to an extra piece of inventory (the best level 60 legendary boots are around that numbers), but obiouvsly ToN would be a lot better. But if Vitality increases to higher numbers, NoS will gain weight again.

    Interesting. Aligned with what I thought. I'll be evaluating ToN as I play through the game. Like you said, some videos of it have shown have awesome thorn damage can be.

    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    Quote from Firehært

    Strive to find the perfect balance! Hence why I usually shutdown most builds I see on the barbarian forum. With enough time, gear and attempts, most builds will work in softcore. You just don't have that luxury in hardcore.

    My main build has insane damage and survival, even more now with the armor and wrath change. Not to forget the in-direct buff to Tough as Nails.

    Still wonder how big of an armor difference it will be when you compare Nerves of Steel and Tough as Nails.


    i try and make fun/odd builds that are also extremely high in damage. in D2 the best defense was a powerful offense, but you had to be careful so it made it more intense. having a great defense makes it more boring because there is less risk, i get that since you play HC you still get the rush even with a highly defensive build but meh.. too high a risk. lol

    what indirect buff to tough as nails?

    link to your build?

    Indeed. I won't just have one barbarian so I'll be playing through some fun builds as well just that once you've gone through some content. You will be bound to have some better gear for your next character. I'll be keeping some good parts along the way as I play.

    The indirect buff to though as nails was the armor / defense change since pre-patch, defense was stronger. Which (correct me if Im wrong) made Nerves of Steel much superior to Tough as Nails.
    Black Swordsman
  • #50
    Quote from Firehært

    Indeed. I won't just have one barbarian so I'll be playing through some fun builds as well just that once you've gone through some content. You will be bound to have some better gear for your next character. I'll be keeping some good parts along the way as I play.

    The indirect buff to though as nails was the armor / defense change since pre-patch, defense was stronger. Which (correct me if Im wrong) made Nerves of Steel much superior to Tough as Nails.


    nerves of steel superior to tough as nails? depends how high your armor is and how high your vitality is. lets just say you have 1000 total armor end game. and 2000 vitality. 100% armor is an extra 1000 armor VS. nerves of steel only granting 500 armor (25% of 2000). so in this case ToN would be twice as good. so your vitality has to be about 4.5x higher then your armor for it to be better.
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #51
    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    Quote from Firehært

    Indeed. I won't just have one barbarian so I'll be playing through some fun builds as well just that once you've gone through some content. You will be bound to have some better gear for your next character. I'll be keeping some good parts along the way as I play.

    The indirect buff to though as nails was the armor / defense change since pre-patch, defense was stronger. Which (correct me if Im wrong) made Nerves of Steel much superior to Tough as Nails.


    nerves of steel superior to tough as nails? depends how high your armor is and how high your vitality is. lets just say you have 1000 total armor end game. and 2000 vitality. 100% armor is an extra 1000 armor VS. nerves of steel only granting 500 armor (25% of 2000). so in this case ToN would be twice as good. so your vitality has to be about 4.5x higher then your armor for it to be better.

    You mis-read. I did say the in-direct buff to Tough of Nails because pre-patch, ToN was 100% armor and Nerves of Steel 25% of vitality Defense. Defense was superior to Armor but now that they combined defense and armor, ToN is looking very sweet.
    Black Swordsman
  • #52
    Quote from Firehært

    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    Quote from Firehært

    Indeed. I won't just have one barbarian so I'll be playing through some fun builds as well just that once you've gone through some content. You will be bound to have some better gear for your next character. I'll be keeping some good parts along the way as I play.

    The indirect buff to though as nails was the armor / defense change since pre-patch, defense was stronger. Which (correct me if Im wrong) made Nerves of Steel much superior to Tough as Nails.


    nerves of steel superior to tough as nails? depends how high your armor is and how high your vitality is. lets just say you have 1000 total armor end game. and 2000 vitality. 100% armor is an extra 1000 armor VS. nerves of steel only granting 500 armor (25% of 2000). so in this case ToN would be twice as good. so your vitality has to be about 4.5x higher then your armor for it to be better.

    You mis-read. I did say the in-direct buff to Tough of Nails because pre-patch, ToN was 100% armor and Nerves of Steel 25% of vitality Defense. Defense was superior to Armor but now that they combined defense and armor, ToN is looking very sweet.


    oh well when i read made Nerves of Steel much superior to Tough as Nails i thought you meant that was how it currently was. but ya ToN is way better IMO because it doubles thorn dmg, and a thorny barb will be a fun one :P. that "thorny monk" thread he was able to get almost 90 thorn dmg. and since the barb can double that, thorn dmg def seems viable throughout the game. at least for the barb
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #53
    I just cant wait to play this guy
  • #54
    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    a thorny barb will be a fun one :P ... thorn dmg def seems viable throughout the game. at least for the barb


    I have trouble picturing a "thorn barb". It doesn't really feel authentic. Or am I missing something? (next to the barb wire <-> thorns synergy)
    How does a barbarian cause damage to everyone that attacks him?
  • #55
    Who dont like a big guy with big weapons just smashing everything haha. A big ruthless guy, who shows no mercy. Just jumping into big packs of monsters and get right into the bloody battle.
  • #56
    Quote from Gondark

    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    a thorny barb will be a fun one :P ... thorn dmg def seems viable throughout the game. at least for the barb


    I have trouble picturing a "thorn barb". It doesn't really feel authentic. Or am I missing something? (next to the barb wire <-> thorns synergy)
    How does a barbarian cause damage to everyone that attacks him?


    Have you ever hit something, or kicked something for that matter.... just for it to hurt you more than you hurt it? Those demons will be hitting my barb and then saying to theirselves "FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU.... Wish I hadn't done that!"
  • #57
    Yes, the feel the barb has is amazing. Had one occasion where I at a friends place on his beta account and man, with every blow you feel the ground shaking. Also, due to the barbarian being the one with the least amount of extra fancy effects, the class would feel lackluster in terms of coolness factor without those awesome sound effects on blows or the crazy knock backs the killing blows cause.

    When you play him/her, you really get the feeling you are a massive muscle obliterating demons, loved it.
  • #58
    Cant wait to get my hands on the Barb myself. I just dont hope we will be forced to go too defensive when we hit hell mode. But we'll have to see what happends.
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