Just started playing Barbarian...

  • #21
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    Can you please put it in simple terms so I can understand it (or anyone else). What is the "utility" that he lacks? He is made to be in the thick and he is damn good at it. Skill/Stats synergy is off the chart.

    I've tried to make a build with DH/Wizard but their skills bore me.


    Utility - having or made for a number of useful or practical purposes rather than a single, specialized one

    the barb has no real CC type abilities besides battle shout. which just reduces dmg. his knockback abilities are useless because he is melee, so unless hes going to flee there is no point. knockback from ranged classes are actually good because it keeps them from taking dmg while continually attacking from a distance. the monk also doesnt have much utility either but at least he has uber healing capabilities along with defense like the barb.

    the wiz has teleport, mirror image, frost nova, knock backs, slows, diamon skin which all can be used in offensive ways as well. same with the WD and the DH.

    the one and only exception to this is a throw barb like in my signature. he has aoe and slows and knockbacks that are all useful since he is a ranged build.

    I'm not sure I follow that explanation of utility. It is the sum of his arsenal that decides if he lacks or don't lack utility right?
    This is not the case with the barbarian.

    Barbarian offer reduced damage, CC (Ground Stomp, Grim Harvest, Intimidate), mobility, highest HP leech of all classes, range attack, limited "mirror image"(Call of the Ancients), HP/Armor boosters and increased toughness. He got the skills that he need.

    Knockback is not useless for a melee. You can reduce the amount of mobs on you, you can create a path for escape or towards a target and more. Knockback combined with slow is a great tool.

    If the barbarian were a pure brawler, just damage and nothing else. Fine, he would lack utility but even per your definition, he don't.

    Just as you said, we will find out in inferno. I can even bet that I'll beat hardcore inferno before you do. Then again, boring if there is nothing at stake.


    again, knock back is ONLY useful for escaping before you die. so you use it and run away and stop attacking all together till you heal. as ranged your always at a distance so knock back is essential and you keep attacking.

    ground stomp is his only real CC spell. COTA has such a huge CD it definitely doesn't count... but his HP leech is alright. the only real great one is the ancient spear one though. gear can give you way more leach this his passive and rend runed doesn't return a lot.

    are you challenging me VS. any class or barb vs barb? cuz i did plan on making a WD first. but ill make a barb first if you want to race. lulz. ill take that bet. i say whichever person kills the final boss in inferno first gets the other persons gear. forcing the other player to create all new gear.

    and were basing this on time played on your account of that specific character not if someone finishes in real time because our jobs and life obviously will get in the way so whoever had more free time would auto-win. what do you say?

    Nah, you choose whatever you want to play. I'm a diehard fan (and delusional) of the barbarian, hence the bet! : )

    I'm not sure which server you will be on, but Ill be playing on EU.
    Let's decide with played time on that specific character but a deadline 3 weeks (or so) post-release. Since it still need to be somewhat of a race and not optimizing time spent on the character. I'll be fair if you are.

    Another challenge upon hardcore. Fun stuff.
    Black Swordsman
  • #22
    Quote from Firehært

    Nah, you choose whatever you want to play. I'm a diehard fan (and delusional) of the barbarian, hence the bet! : )

    I'm not sure which server you will be on, but Ill be playing on EU.
    Let's decide with played time on that specific character but a deadline 3 weeks (or so) post-release. Since it still need to be somewhat of a race and not optimizing time spent on the character. I'll be fair if you are.

    Another challenge upon hardcore. Fun stuff.


    i dont think itll take that long to beat inferno but ya agreed. although i didnt plan on making any HC characters anytime shortly after release. and we have to beat normal mode first before you could even make a HC character. can we just race on softcore first? lol. then whoever loses gets a second chance to win at HC
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #23
    3 weeks past release for HC inferno diablo? Not going to happen, imhhhho :D
  • #24
    All valid comments, but I'd like to add my two cents on the viability/utility of the Barb. He's a tank/meatshield with skills that mitigate damage, rally the defenses of his allies, and oh, by the way, he can put out the dps. Not to mention, as was stated earlier, he hits with a 2-ton hammer that I can actually feel through my mouse--Kratos move over.

    When you look at his skill set (http://www.diablowik...arbarian_skills) it positions him as a force to be reckoned with that will keep the squishy casters/ranged healthy whilst they rain in the damage and he smashes faces dual wielding epic awesomeness while ignoring the pain and fueling his rage.

    Don't forget that although this game is soloable, it has a core of playing with friends. More friends, more enemies, more loot.
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  • #25
    I bought a Steelseries QcK mousepad with the Diablo 3 Barbarian on, so now I feel like I need to create a Barbarian as the first.
    Gladly, I like barbs, and is probably going to be my main anyway.

    Best setup ever!
  • #26
    Quote from ZombieDOc

    Don't forget that although this game is soloable, it has a core of playing with friends. More friends, more enemies, more loot.


    the number of mobs and loot does NOT increase from solo to co-op. FYI. blizzard has said this multiple times. they said you should be able to kill faster with a group which means faster loot, not more loot.
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #27
    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    Quote from ZombieDOc

    Don't forget that although this game is soloable, it has a core of playing with friends. More friends, more enemies, more loot.


    the number of mobs and loot does NOT increase from solo to co-op. FYI. blizzard has said this multiple times. they said you should be able to kill faster with a group which means faster loot, not more loot.


    The chance to get a specific item, though, doubles, if you play with someone you know or you trust.
  • #28
    Quote from DenkaSaeba25

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    Quote from ZombieDOc

    Don't forget that although this game is soloable, it has a core of playing with friends. More friends, more enemies, more loot.


    the number of mobs and loot does NOT increase from solo to co-op. FYI. blizzard has said this multiple times. they said you should be able to kill faster with a group which means faster loot, not more loot.


    The chance to get a specific item, though, doubles, if you play with someone you know or you trust.


    oh because you can give eachother gear if something drops for your friend that you need. true, but for me i like gear that IVE aquired, not someone else's giveaway even if it is my friend. playing with friends who are good and willing to share is def better then solo but solo is far greater then random co-op groups ive seen.
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #29
    I have to agree with the OP. While I'll defiantly be playing the DH as my main for awhile, the barb feels so powerful, it's pretty satisfying to bash a zombie =D
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  • #30
    Quote from Snaks42

    I have to agree with the OP. While I'll defiantly be playing the DH as my main for awhile, the barb feels so powerful, it's pretty satisfying to bash a zombie =D


    the DH is the least liked it seems by a large margin, but ironically once i got to like 8 it seemed i was killing shit way faster then the other classes of even higher level since i was kiling from such a long distance. while the WD and wiz are also ranged the DH has faster projectiles. long range FTW
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #31
    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    hother gear if something drops for your friend that you need. true, but for me i like gear that IVE aquired, not someone else's giveaway even if it is my friend. playing with friends who are good and willing to share is def better then solo but solo is far greater then random co-op groups ive seen.


    Frankly, once have Bul-Kathos set, i don't really care if my brother gave it to me, because probably he'll get his part of share too :D

    (And it's certaily less sad than buying it with money)

    But yes, i won't probably play with strangers. Unless they're good.
  • #32
    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    the number of mobs and loot does NOT increase from solo to co-op. FYI. blizzard has said this multiple times. they said you should be able to kill faster with a group which means faster loot, not more loot.

    Ah--Forgive the embellishment--that should have read tougher/stronger enemies. Also, since everyone has their own loot roll, doesn't that have to increase the total number of drops, thus the total number of good drops, thus a higher chance for you or your buddy to get "that thing" you're looking for?
    Please correct me if I'm way off base here.
    Cheers!
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  • #33
    Quote from ZombieDOc

    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    the number of mobs and loot does NOT increase from solo to co-op. FYI. blizzard has said this multiple times. they said you should be able to kill faster with a group which means faster loot, not more loot.

    Ah--Forgive the embellishment--that should have read tougher/stronger enemies. Also, since everyone has their own loot roll, doesn't that have to increase the total number of drops, thus the total number of good drops, thus a higher chance for you or your buddy to get "that thing" you're looking for?
    Please correct me if I'm way off base here.
    Cheers!


    if your counting your loot PLUS your friends loot then obviously. but loot is individual so YOUR loot isnt increased by being in co op. everyone gets their own loot as if they killed the mob themselves. if you and 3 buddies go hunting for a specific item then its like a search party so your chances would be x4. but obviously only 1 of you can use it. lol
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #34
    Quote from ZombieDOc

    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    the number of mobs and loot does NOT increase from solo to co-op. FYI. blizzard has said this multiple times. they said you should be able to kill faster with a group which means faster loot, not more loot.

    Ah--Forgive the embellishment--that should have read tougher/stronger enemies. Also, since everyone has their own loot roll, doesn't that have to increase the total number of drops, thus the total number of good drops, thus a higher chance for you or your buddy to get "that thing" you're looking for?
    Please correct me if I'm way off base here.
    Cheers!

    You are right. Even if the gold AH will create some greed. I could care less what I do with some non-barbarian item. If those I play with are fair, I'll be fair. With that, higher chance at specific loot. There should be an option to "announce" all above rare items found for those that want to.


    @DenkaSaeba25
    3 weeks not going to happend? Probably not but that is not the point! I will fill my graveyard with barbarians. :D

    Oh I can't wait to get my hands on the 'em and the fury I'll unleash once the wielder of bul'kathos dies...

    @GladHeHadBeta (I do wonder what you will name yourself once the game is released except the obvious)
    I'll be playing hardcore exclusively so can't do softcore play.
    Black Swordsman
  • #35
    Quote from Firehært

    @GladHeHadBeta (I do wonder what you will name yourself once the game is released except the obvious)
    I'll be playing hardcore exclusively so can't do softcore play.


    i won't really be coming back to this or any forum once its released lol. i only ever started coming here because i was goin nuts waiting for release and information.

    well your going to have to beat soft core normal to create a HC character. so i guess if you die before you beat inferno starting all over will suck. which is why i mostly avoid HC, accidental/lag deaths ruining the game doesn't seem fun at all.
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #36
    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    well your going to have to beat soft core normal to create a HC character. so i guess if you die before you beat inferno starting all over will suck. which is why i mostly avoid HC, accidental/lag deaths ruining the game doesn't seem fun at all.

    It does suck, but that actual permanent loss makes you play on pins and needles. I was always terrified of Duriel with my HC characters, my heart rate would go through the roof. The actual satisfaction of max level HC and the better than normal loot (which I don't know if that has been included into D3) was a huge draw...like a power trip. Going hardcore is hard to quit.
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  • #37
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    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    well your going to have to beat soft core normal to create a HC character. so i guess if you die before you beat inferno starting all over will suck. which is why i mostly avoid HC, accidental/lag deaths ruining the game doesn't seem fun at all.

    It does suck, but that actual permanent loss makes you play on pins and needles. I was always terrified of Duriel with my HC characters, my heart rate would go through the roof. The actual satisfaction of max level HC and the better than normal loot (which I don't know if that has been included into D3) was a huge draw...like a power trip. Going hardcore is hard to quit.


    there was better loot in HC in D2? i didnt know that. i havent heard anythign like that for D3.

    i get the intensity of hardcore but with the game being so easy to "insta die" it just isnt worth it IMHO. what if a storm hits and your internet goes out and u die in game? or hit a big lag spike, or mouse/keyboard dies and your dead. too many accidental/sudden ways to die that you have no control over makes me not want to play it. and if you really dont want to die it basically forces you to stack armor/defensive skills to stay alive too and really hinders the build options to test out because your too afraid of dying.
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
  • #38
    Quote from Firehært

    @DenkaSaeba25
    3 weeks not going to happend? Probably not but that is not the point! I will fill my graveyard with barbarians. :D

    Oh I can't wait to get my hands on the 'em and the fury I'll unleash once the wielder of bul'kathos dies...


    I won't play HC. 1 smashed monitor and 3 smashed mice are too much for me.
  • #39
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    Quote from GladHeHasBeta

    well your going to have to beat soft core normal to create a HC character. so i guess if you die before you beat inferno starting all over will suck. which is why i mostly avoid HC, accidental/lag deaths ruining the game doesn't seem fun at all.

    It does suck, but that actual permanent loss makes you play on pins and needles. I was always terrified of Duriel with my HC characters, my heart rate would go through the roof. The actual satisfaction of max level HC and the better than normal loot (which I don't know if that has been included into D3) was a huge draw...like a power trip. Going hardcore is hard to quit.


    there was better loot in HC in D2? i didnt know that. i havent heard anythign like that for D3.

    i get the intensity of hardcore but with the game being so easy to "insta die" it just isnt worth it IMHO. what if a storm hits and your internet goes out and u die in game? or hit a big lag spike, or mouse/keyboard dies and your dead. too many accidental/sudden ways to die that you have no control over makes me not want to play it. and if you really dont want to die it basically forces you to stack armor/defensive skills to stay alive too and really hinders the build options to test out because your too afraid of dying.

    In the end, it is "just" a game. Hardcore is another challenge. Everything will count. I will enjoy the game more knowing that if I am careless, I might die. : )

    @DenkaSaeba25
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    Black Swordsman
  • #40
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    Quote from Firehært

    @DenkaSaeba25
    3 weeks not going to happend? Probably not but that is not the point! I will fill my graveyard with barbarians. :D

    Oh I can't wait to get my hands on the 'em and the fury I'll unleash once the wielder of bul'kathos dies...


    I won't play HC. 1 smashed monitor and 3 smashed mice are too much for me.


    lol u smashed them when u died in HC? i would do the same. ive broken some xbox controllers over some dumb shit
    "once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
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