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Hey, i´m wondering how i should reroll my Offhand, i´ve got int, crit, ad and apoc on it and i kinda need to reroll something into vita, how high would you value apoc or ad with this build?

Arcane Power on crit is not really usefull in my oppinion, because in archon you do not use arcane power, and the downtime of archon is just time to build 20 stacks of chantodo's and that's it. So with full arcane power you get aroun 15 stacks spaming Arcane Torrent, and with the adecuate cdr, also archon reset. Also this set has no defensive bonus, i mean, it's not like Delsere's set that gives us 50%dmg reduction, so i think that Vit is way more important than APOC. AD on the other hand is nice, because you should fight a lot of mobs together. So it's a personal preference between defense (vit) or dmg (ad).

Long response, but hope it helps you! Thanks for the comment!

EDIT: APOC>VIT>>>>>>>>>AD as AD does not proc from item procs (Chantodo's wave) and this is our main damage.

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Just a single question, how the heck you trigger the burning effect with no fire spell on the rotation?

That's an easy one! We're wearing the Chantodo's weapon and offhand, which creates an explosion for 350% * X weapon dmg (Being X the stacks we have, up to 20) every 2 seconds while we are in archon form. That wave of dmg takes our MAX elemental dmg % on gear, that must be fire ( you can get up to 20% on bracers and 20% on neck).

This way when we enter archon mode, that explosion around us is considered a fire spell and makes the enemies burn, activating the set every 2 seconds. It's explained on the guide that you should take 20% fire dmg to get the fire element on the explosion and 19% arcane dmg to maximize the dmg on the archon form!

Thanks for the coment, hope it helps!

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Hey there, great guide! But I have one question: Why do people run with Unstable Anomaly? I mean, the Firebird 2p is pretty much the same without the shield but the metor instead AND does have the same cooldown. So why not just pick something like Unwavering Will or Cold Blooded instead?

Hey! That's because the set itself does not provide any type of dmg reduction, so all the mitigation comes from the gear and the supports, which is not enough on higher greater rifts. And also because the 2pc procs first, allowing you to revive, and then the Unstable Anomaly procs on the next "death". So it's like having 2 cheat deaths.

Also this build has great toughness while in archon, but while building those chantodo's stacks out of archon form is when you are vulnerable, and 2 cheat deaths allows you to, for example, get 12 stacks, proc a cheat death without losing stacks, get 8 more stacks, activate archon and, when it ends, on the next "stacking chantodos round" you have the other cheat death up. And trust me that almost always happens! xD

On the other hand, Unwavering Will with the teleport archon rune does not synergize too much, because we'll be moving to the oculus ring procs every now and then!
Coold Blooded only works with your freezed enemies and just while they're freezed, and with the Diminishing returns and the mobs having a lot of life in high GRs, the time you get the 10% more dmg is less than 30% of the time... So not worth In My Oppinion!

Sorry for the really big answer, hope it helps! And thanks for the comment!

With the Tal Rasha twister build emerging because of the nerfs, how viable is this build for groups? 95+? Thanks!

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With the Tal Rasha twister build emerging because of the nerfs, how viable is this build for groups? 95+? Thanks!

Definitely it's viable till around gr 100, all depends on your paragons. 108 was cleared with this build on ptr, so it has potential. Anyways, Tal-Rasha Twister (http://www.diablofans.com/builds/78613-2-4-1-ptr-test-4-man-tal-rasha-twister-wizard) seems to be stronger, but has problems to kill rift guardians. Also i expect a nerf to the twister mechanic, because it's strange that blizzard allows 2 consecutive seasons the same build...
So or this one gets buffed, or the twsiter get nerfed, i really hope so!

Thanks for the comment, hope it helps!

Updated with a few changes from the PTR !

Unstable Anomaly procs APD and convention is a terrible item in this build as the chantodo's wave goes off of your highest damage type and cov changes that every 4 seconds youre better off running ice armor with a halo imo

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Unstable Anomaly procs APD and convention is a terrible item in this build as the chantodo's wave goes off of your highest damage type and cov changes that every 4 seconds youre better off running ice armor with a halo imo

Unstable Anomally is not used for the stun, rather for the Cheat Death pasive! Also, you're right, chantodo's wave takes your highest elemental dmg, but CoE is a Dinamic buff, so it does not change the element that chantodo's wave uses!

You can test this by 2 methods:

1ºEquiping or cubing CoE and looking on your stat table that it does not matter the rotating element, your "elemental dmg stat" only reflects the % you get from gear.

2º Equip CoE and use archon when the fire proc ends, and try to "burn" a enemy with the wave, without being on the fire proc. You'll see you burn him still, and gain the stack that grants dmg from firebirds!

Thanks for the comment, hope my answer helps you! See you on stream (Actually off due to personal problems, but I'll be back to it ASAP)

I was curious how much you prioritize getting your chantodo stacks up to 20 especially in single target vs. pack. I was also curious when in archon form do you only use beam when it's a large group or if you are trying to get in a zodiac circle or always go for blast.

Thanks much!

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I was curious how much you prioritize getting your chantodo stacks up to 20 especially in single target vs. pack. I was also curious when in archon form do you only use beam when it's a large group or if you are trying to get in a zodiac circle or always go for blast.

Thanks much!

Writting on the Phone, so i'll be quick, and when i can use the pc i'll explain better if needed. Basically, archon stacks overlap > chantodos stacks. So, with proper cdr, the most you can get, you should be using your archon when it comes off cd, no matter how many chantodo's stacks you get. With less cdr, when the overlap is few time, or even there is no overlap, building those chantodo's stacks should result in a dps increase. Also with chaneling i think is better to overlap as much archon as you can if you are getting enough kills in between. So for me, it's not a single vs pack choice, but a cdr based choice.

For the Left Click vs Right Click, on dense areas right click (beam) wins by far, specially if they are in a corridor. Lesft click(blast) is better for the rg or when targeting a elite alone. But the diference is really small, so i'll recomend using beam hitting the more enemies you can. Spamming the button one is a must, using left or right click. For last tip, getting into the Oculus ring proc should be a priority if the monk can follow you to get one inner sanctuary with you, or you can die. Also if the proc is far away from the density and your chantodo's wave cant hit the big pull, sometimes it's not worthit, because chantodo's wave is our 1º dps skill. But is a good risk to take vs the dmg it provides. On rift guardians with few adds, always move ASAP to the procs to get the dmg.

Hope it helps, and if needed i'll explain more when i get to the pc. Thanks for the comment, see you on the stream!

Edit: Adding some info from the pc

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Quote from kon_sherpS»

I was curious how much you prioritize getting your chantodo stacks up to 20 especially in single target vs. pack. I was also curious when in archon form do you only use beam when it's a large group or if you are trying to get in a zodiac circle or always go for blast.

Thanks much!

Writting on the Phone, so i'll be quick, and when i can use the pc i'll explain better if needed. Basically, archon stacks overlap > chantodos stacks. So, with proper cdr, the most you can get, you should be using your archon when it comes off cd, no matter how many chantodo's stacks you get. With less cdr, when the overlap is few time, or even there is no overlap, building those chantodo's stacks should result in a dps increase. Also with chaneling i think is better to overlap as much archon as you can if you are getting enough kills in between. So for me, it's not a single vs pack choice, but a cdr based choice.

For the Left Click vs Right Click, on dense areas right click (beam) wins by far, specially if they are in a corridor. Lesft click(blast) is better for the rg or when targeting a elite alone. But the diference is really small, so i'll recomend using beam hitting the more enemies you can. Spamming the button one is a must, using left or right click. For last tip, getting into the Oculus ring proc should be a priority if the monk can follow you to get one inner sanctuary with you, or you can die. Also if the proc is far away from the density and your chantodo's wave cant hit the big pull, sometimes it's not worthit, because chantodo's wave is our 1º dps skill. But is a good risk to take vs the dmg it provides. On rift guardians with few adds, always move ASAP to the procs to get the dmg.

Hope it helps, and if needed i'll explain more when i get to the pc. Thanks for the comment, see you on the stream!

Edit: Adding some info from the pc

Awesome thanks so much for the guide and answering my questions so thoroughly!

i was not getting burn stacks while i had my CoE equip took it off and i was getting htem

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i was not getting burn stacks while i had my CoE equip took it off and i was getting htem

That's really strange, as i'm using this exact build with coe and i never had that problem, that's weird, i think i can't help you with that, but i'll search more info. Sorry!

Hi

What about min-max arcane/fire/poisone damage in weapon? If we have 20% more fire dmg and 19% arcane, we want to have arcane or fire min-max dmg in weapon?

if it does not affect and we can have poisone dmg in weapon ?

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Hi

What about min-max arcane/fire/poisone damage in weapon? If we have 20% more fire dmg and 19% arcane, we want to have arcane or fire min-max dmg in weapon?

if it does not affect and we can have poisone dmg in weapon ?

The damage type in weapon is irrelevant, so take the weapon with higher damage without looking at the element!