Skill System Changes to Affect Respecs

With the shedding of the traditional and nostalgic skill tree system of Diablo II (see Could The Skill Tree Be Gone Forever?), game mechanics are slowly re-gearing to fit with the new system, which Blizzard has not yet revealed. Respeccing, a feature confirmed many moons ago, will be facing some changes as a result of this new direction:


Official Blizzard Quote:



With the skill system revision work progresses to integrate the respec system a bit differently.

Not even knowing how the new skill system will function, it could be very well impossible to predict what this could mean for respeccing. Even so, have any thoughts?

(Sources: DiabloFans Twitter Tracker)

Comments

  • #1 spierce7
    It is completely impossible. lol
  • #2 Odin
    Hopefully they gonna delete the respeccing idea asap.

    If everyone can build his own skilltree theres obviously no need for respeccs
  • #3 Airandius
    I think respecs is extreme, I'd vote for a goldsink that costs you your level x 100 gold to remove 1 skill point from 1 skill.

    I only use respecs when I accidentally grabbed a skill I did not like.
  • #4 SNowfreak
    Quote from "Odin" »
    Hopefully they gonna delete the respeccing idea asap.

    If everyone can build his own skilltree theres obviously no need for respeccs


    quote for the win! I frikkin HATE the idea of respecs to begin with, and he has a point. Gotta say, I'm a bit scared with blizz's idea right now haha.
  • #5 ScyberDragon
    I think that it is simply understood that if the skill system changes then so must the system that lets you redo it.

    I think that the respec system is more proof that it will not be a dropped base skill system since respecs would be impossible. I like respec because it helps you when you make a wrong choice or chose a skill by accident. It should come at a high cost so people do not abuse it but it should still be available.
  • #6 luc1027
    Quote from odin »

    If everyone can build his own skilltree theres obviously no need for respeccs


    good point, but I think we need a respecs system anyway, is just too helpful to repair error instead to restart a character.

    Quote from "Airandius" »
    I think respecs is extreme, I'd vote for a goldsink that costs you your level x 100 gold to remove 1 skill point from 1 skill.


    Good idea but, it's depending of gold value (balancing)
    Quote from Airandius »

    I only use respecs when I accidentally grabbed a skill I did not like.

    yeah, many game adopt an ergonomic system that called "undo" so before confirm, you can test as your wish. After confirmed your choice is respecs

    I want undo and respecs

    Quote from Snowfreak »
    quote for the win! I frikkin HATE the idea of respecs to begin with, and he has a point. Gotta say, I'm a bit scared with blizz's idea right now haha.


    Wooo, lol don't be afraid, Blizzard doesn't change the thing for fun...

    Why you "HATE" that ????????? it's like a Ctrl+Z, ergonomic, useful, prevent the errors and the annoy to start over
  • #7 Odin

    Wooo, lol don't be afraid, Blizzard doesn't change the thing for fun...

    Why you "HATE" that ????????? it's like a Ctrl+Z, ergonomic, useful, prevent the errors and the annoy to start over
    Dumped down cookie cutter style isn't fun its braindead for braindead morons.

    The way I would do it:
    Skills are based on advanced experience. So if you've chosen wrong you have to regain enough experience to correct your mistake.

    If people aren't willing to think about their choices they should be forced to start over or lose some time correcting it, otherwise you'll end up with a bunch of braindead morons.

    Back in the days they announced the game I was happy and thought it would be for the Diablo fanbase. Right now it doesn't look like it is and thats sad!!!
  • #8 Airandius
    [quote name='luc1027']yeah, many game adopt an ergonomic system that called "undo" so before confirm, you can test as your wish. After confirmed your choice is respecs

    I want undo and respecs/quote]

    Undo things are pretty good. And yes the gold value I stated was merely filler.

    However when you respec your entire build isn't it more fun to start from scratch? Well must be a personal thing then. I think it's lame to just go from Berserker to Juggernaut overnight for example.
  • #9 SNowfreak
    Quote from "Airandius;524568 »
    [quote=luc1027']yeah, many game adopt an ergonomic system that called "undo" so before confirm, you can test as your wish. After confirmed your choice is respecs

    I want undo and respecs/quote]

    Undo things are pretty good. And yes the gold value I stated was merely filler.

    However when you respec your entire build isn't it more fun to start from scratch? Well must be a personal thing then. I think it's lame to just go from Berserker to Juggernaut overnight for example.


    no i agree with you, and i know others that do too. I LOVED starting over in DII.
  • #10 luc1027
    Quote from Odin »

    So if you've chosen wrong you have to regain enough experience to correct your mistake.

    So finally you lose a level so a skill (level are limited), better to start over if you want any of your skills maxed, if you want the perfection.


    If people aren't willing to think about their choices they should be forced to start over or lose some time correcting it, otherwise you'll end up with a bunch of braindead morons.


    error happen, and a misunderstand of a skill description or if the skill are not good as your wish, like you thought.

    Back in the days they announced the game I was happy and thought it would be for the Diablo fanbase. Right now it doesn't look like it is and thats sad!!!


    Stop your hardcore gamer instinct !! ...Braindead ???? If you like starting over and lose time is your wish lol. I think passing time face a screen make us becoming braindead !!

    Quote from Airandius »

    However when you respec your entire build isn't it more fun to start from scratch? Well must be a personal thing then. I think it's lame to just go from Berserker to Juggernaut overnight for example.


    I never said that I want a complet respecs. Only 1 point by point are enough. :)
  • #11 SNowfreak
    Quote from "luc1027" »
    So finally you lose a level so a skill (level are limited), better to start over if you want any of your skills maxed, if you want the perfection.



    error happen, and a misunderstand of a skill description or if the skill are not good as your wish, like you thought.



    Stop your hardcore gamer instinct !! ...Braindead ???? If you like starting over and lose time is your wish lol. I think passing time face a screen make us becoming braindead !!



    I never said that I want a complet respecs. Only 1 point by point are enough. :)


    1) I think people should lose skills or something for respecing.

    2) To me figuring out skills and whats good combos is fun, but i hear you, and they should have a skill training grounds or something outside of the main game so people can make builds to see if its good. then noone can complain when they mess up.

    3) I and others loved starting over. Hell i loved it so much I never got a 99 in the game, because its so fun to start over!

    4) I'm not sure what you mean by "only 1 point by point", but if you mean you can respec only the last point you spent then i love that idea.
  • #12 luc1027
    Quote from "SNowfreak" »
    1) I think people should lose skills or something for respecing.

    2) To me figuring out skills and whats good combos is fun, but i hear you, and they should have a skill training grounds or something outside of the main game so people can make builds to see if its good. then noone can complain when they mess up.

    3) I and others loved starting over. Hell i loved it so much I never got a 99 in the game, because its so fun to start over!

    4) I'm not sure what you mean by "only 1 point by point", but if you mean you can respec only the last point you spent then i love that idea.


    Lol i must confess that I loved to start over :P (In d2) !! but it's because I dislike how it is for hardcore gamer (trading, runs, slow leveling, customization decrease(you doesn't find better than what you have)...)


    I think people should lose skills or something for respecing.

    I don't think you will lose a skills until respecs serve to recover a skill lol. How to deleted your skill point lol.

    But I think you will lose something for respecing like gold !! (or doing a quest)
  • #13 Legilimens
    I think the main argument that people opposed to respec have is they don't want people making a build, but then find out this isn't the best build. Then after someone does figure out a great build, they just switch their entire character skillset over to the better. For example, if I were to max meteor shower/ slow time, but then find out it would have been better for me to max electrocute and frost nova, I could simply click a button and voila, I have all my skill points back and I can put them into whatever I want. I think this is a bad way of looking at respec, and I really don't think this is how it will play out. I'm sure there will be a high cost to respec-ing.

    People are making too many assumptions about the game. We've had but a sip of the satisfaction that is to come...Patience. Let's not let negativity overcome us before we've actually seen how the final game works.
  • #14 Odin
    Quote from "luc1027" »

    So finally you lose a level so a skill (level are limited), better to start over if you want any of your skills maxed, if you want the perfection.


    Missquoted. I wrote skill gain works as an advanced experience, so basically after spending 1 ae point, this xp is lost. You have to regain the advanced ep to correct your mistake. You could also call it "correcting xp" eg:

    Skill "shadowfists" cost 1.000.000 advanced exp - you choose your skill - 1.000.000 advanced exp is GONE - BUT it was the wrong choice...solution? Simple: regain 1.000.000 and correct it. So please tell me how this is "hardcore"? Basically it works like the "undo feature" you could also lose 10% of your normal level for 1 point respecc aso..

    Quote from "luc1027" »

    Stop your hardcore gamer instinct !! ...Braindead ???? If you like starting over and lose time is your wish lol. I think passing time face a screen make us becoming braindead !!


    Oh yeah having fun figuring out how to skill, play and fucking learn the game by experience is hardcore, got it. Don't know for sure but it looks like some of you guys are overly WoW spoiled, forgetting that AFK mode isn't fun!
  • #15 luc1027
    I could simply click a button and voila, I have all my skill points back
    Recover all skill points back are very very bad... I don't see anyone said that ?!?! it's just a bad idea.

    almost reasons why people doesn't want respecs are (completly change your build) but why do you think a bad idea like that will be implement ????

    respec will be only 1 point at a time. In order to having difficulty to respecs 10 points...

    Quote from Odin »

    Missquoted. I wrote skill gain works as an advanced experience, so basically after spending 1 ae point, this xp is lost. You have to regain the advanced ep to correct your mistake. You could also call it "correcting xp" eg:

    Skill "shadowfists" cost 1.000.000 advanced exp - you choose your skill - 1.000.000 advanced exp is GONE - BUT it was the wrong choice...solution? Simple: regain 1.000.000 and correct it. So please tell me how this is "hardcore"? Basically it works like the "undo feature" you could also lose 10% of your normal level for 1 point respecc aso..


    Ehh maybe if the skill system work like that: earn skill with exp instead of level ! But I doubt...

    I prefer pay gold to respecs, gold will be valuable, so we need to spend it into something... If respecs need to recover exp, you'll find more gold without spend it... so you drop the valuable...

    If I respecs many skill, I will be weak if I fight the monster where I am in the game. I'll need to back up in the lower level ?? :s eurk...

    Oh yeah having fun figuring out how to skill, play and fucking learn the game by experience is hardcore, got it. Don't know for sure but it looks like some of you guys are overly WoW spoiled, forgetting that AFK mode isn't fun!
    I don't understand lol, I never play WoW... what mean AFK ???
  • #16 Macros
    We don't even know how the respecs worked, so how could we possibly know how they're changing it?
  • #17 Magistrate
    Yeah, that's what came to my mind... Dunno. News is news, I guess.
  • #18 Macros
    Yeah sure, I'm not blaming you for posting it.. I'm still hoping that each skill point recovered will cost a level. And then that you can also always get the last skillpoint you spent back for free, and any skill points spent in the last 15 minutes (offline time not counted) you can also get back for free.

    And like someone else said, there should be a place to test out skills. I mean in D2 everyone was using an editor in single player or open bnet to test out their character builds anyway, so why not just include it in the game?
  • #19 pernunz
    The only thing that made starting over fun in D2 was the fact you could get to level 80 in a day or two by joining Tristram runs, Baal runs, and cow runs. I'm pretty sure if it took a decent amount of time to level, and couldn't be done uber-quickly, people would want a respec system.
  • #20 Jack_in_the_box
    I love this thread.

    "What we don't know about something unknown"

    Haha. Classic Blizzard.
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