His vitriolic words are aimed towards those with 'unreasonable' complaints against Diablo 3's art direction, and each of the player complaints are addressed one by one in the video.
you ppl are expectingg wayyy too much for a video game... everything cant be perfect and never will be, there will always be a problem or somthing that sets some1 off...
having too big of armor?? and when ur char runs his head should be bangin against his helm... arreee you kidding me??..
Of course it's just a game and this is just a place to voice our 2 cents. I'm not tired of people who like the art direction, it's their opinion and I respect it. It does however get vexing when some feel the need to take shots at those with differing opinions (I'm not suggesting you are .KILLING-HAZZARD). I think we have had enough opinion smashing over th last 8 years in politics, it would be nice to avoid it here on this posting board.
HAHA. Be honest Creepsville, did you ever really use the ignore list?
Yes.
Does he explain any better? I dont think so.
You didn't watch half of it. You admitted this.
"You want it changed into this and that!!!"...
I dont want "the game" (the full art direction) to be changed into something. I want some easy-to-implement improvements thatll please lots of people.
Don't rationalize why what you are asking for is reasonable. It still is you wanting to change the game. You like to appeal to numbers (citing the petition) when:
A. We all know that the petition isn't a reliable source.
B. There is a majority of people who don't share your sentiment on what counts as "better".
The things i listed are all things that can be reached without major changes. And theyll please the most part.
It wont affect the release date (much), and it wont make it worse for the currently happy people. Theyll get possibly more sales and a better reputation.
Your idea still falls within the boundaries of what YOU think is better for the game, whether you mention other people or not. You don't know that it will please everyone. You also know nothing about what it will do for Blizzard's reputation. You're guessing and hoping. That's ok, but you need to understand that "better' is subjective. And Blizzard hasn't shown us their entire vision of the game yet.
/facepalm
Thats why i added the serious part.
Someone who uses his mind will get the main point. Mickey is just to make it funny.
It doesn't matter. Like I said, it relied on jumping to the far end of the spectrum to prove a point, which is self defeating because your point only has presence if Mickey Mouse is really being put into D3.
Again, i (and probably everyone else) just want changes that are going to improve it even more and leave more people happy.
You're definitely on an appeal to the masses kick. What you don't know is: That you are the minority. You are fans and your voice counts, but your ideas, I feel, won't make Diablo 3 a better game for "everyone".
Whats your problem? It really doesnt matter. I dont want to watch a video of some guy yelling at me. Answering to you is probably the same, so i dont think i have to watch it.
A. You cant underestimate the number of people who want some changes just in this forum. It is clear that there are a lot of people.
B. If those minor changes arent going to affect YOU, and also not the release date etc., then why do you care? The people who like the current look are NOT going to be affected.
If some people want the whole graphics to be totally revamped and arent going to be happy after some changes in models, lighting etc., no one can do anything for them.
So forget about that part of people.
But it is clear that many people will be a lot more happy than now, only if you improve the parts i pointed out (and some that i probably leaved out). Im totally sure about that.
And it WONT affect YOU.
Why dont you just stop thinking about that if you wont understand it?
It was meant to be more funny than credible. And if you want to see what i mean without looking to the serious part, remove Mickey and put something like "bulky shoulder pads" or the like. (JUST an example.)
Tell me if you had any problems with D2's OR D1's equipment models, environment, animations etc..
The lighting was kinda bad in dungeons in D2. It was pretty good in D1.
The graphics in D2 are kinda "pixelated" or however you call that, it was better in D1.
So never forget about the first game.
AND I DONT SAY MAKE IT THE SAME.
What has to remain same is the credibility of the game and how "imersive" it is.
Also, you dont need green (sourceless) lighting in a dungeon to make the player see the monsters better. (Gameplay)
Im summing it up, as these quotes get messy:
Even though some people are going to remain unhappy in some way, some minor changes in the models, environment, lighting, animations etc. will make the biggest part of people clearly more happy than now.
Those are things that, 1. wont affect the people who currently like the graphics and 2. wont affect the release date (much). So that means it doesnt have much of a downside.
As more people will be at least less disappointed and hopefully a lot more happy with those little changes, Blizzard's reputation will get better in their eyes, and theres a possibility that more sales will be reached. But thats not the important part.
Even if the increase in sales is tiny when compared to the sales in total, pleasing the older fans of the franchise is morally a plus for the company. And as i said before, it most probably wont have much of a downside.
Keep telling yourself all of this,...if you really think it will help. There is no point arguing with someone with no points and only make-believe and self-assurance used in repetition as their tools. You don't know what will make everyone happy. You'd like to think you do so that your vision of what D3 should be would be the "best" thing out there. And that's what you're always talking about in every thread: The "perfect" game - in YOUR eyes.
If you still can't understand that then it's no wonder you keep droning on like a broken record.
Kenzai, I'll point out for you that forums with noise do not mean anything. What you need to understand is that the majority of game players do not even venture online into online forums simply because they do not give three shits. All this "because the majority of the forum want changes" is because online forums are the most secrete, minority fanbases anywhere. You have to be either passionate about Diablo to venture into forums dedicated about it or a hardcore fan. So your points where you say many people, in relation to the forum, are actually very minute numbers in terms of the total numbers that will purchase Diablo 3. Every game is like this, not just for Diablo. For every person online that views online forums, the people that do not outweighs them completely.
So are your complainers sizable on the forums? Yes. Are they sizable when you look outside forums? We don't know until it's released, but the internet and vocal minorities always generate more noise than their numbers.
If you look at the petition and all the debates again, youll see that what i said are a part of the most common "problems". Not problem for everyone of course, but things that could be changed in a way that it please more old fans.
The petition doesn't cite actual game problems. It instead explains that Diablo needs to meet a standard of personal taste.
The game has no real problems as it is. It just isn't dark enough for some people. However - if you tell a good story you know that it can't be on the same wavelength and have the same mood the entire time. If D3 was dark and ugly the entire time we would get bored quickly. D3 isn't post apocalyptic. It's post the world is healing up. Putting in nice areas and then having the storty take us to new corrupted areas and darker dungeons gives the feeling of a progression. A journey into the unknown. A quest that leads us from comfy villages and into the jaws of doom.
Secondly, none of the things complained about in the petition take people out of the experience. Hence, there isn't a real problem. It's a matter of taste. Your taste isn't necessarily what's "true" to Diablo. It's arrogant to assume it is.
You guys simply don't like change. That's what it really comes down to.
adam basically summarized what most people have been saying to the haters: shut the fuck up.
you're not going to get your photochopped world. get over it. wipe those emo tears off your face. you're a bunch of pissy self-righteous morons. the worst part is that you've barely even seen the game.
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Even if the increase in sales is tiny when compared to the sales in total, pleasing the [B]older fans of the franchise[/B'] is morally a plus for the company.
no, fuck you.
i've been playing diablo for over 9 years, i see nothing wrong with the art direction that they took. the light radius you faggots come up with is ludicrous. i have less time to spend on video games than i could with diablo and diablo 2. if i'm gonna spend a few hours in front of the computer i want to straight up kill some motherfucking zombies, not trying to figure out what the fuck is on 3/4 of my screen.
if you want diablo 3 darker, go lower the brightness of your screen. there, shut the fuck up. now go find better things to complain about, you fucking drama queens.
Blizzard already explained that they do what they feel like. They already told they don't care about the sales while making a game, but they want to sell. They already told the direction art is going is not changing.
So, are you just complaining to feel better? I'm pretty sure there will be as many people in lines to get a copy of D3 as there was people in lines to get an iPhone.
I wish I could be one of those, but I'll probably have to pay 200 bucks to put my hands on it on the first day.
I signed the petition. I didn't like the colors. I don't like the armors' shoulders. So what? Will Blizzard change the game for me? No. For diablofans.com? Not either. Oh, wait - for Blizzard Forums? No, no, no.
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(...)online forums are the most secrete, minority fanbases anywhere. You have to be either passionate about Diablo to venture into forums dedicated about it or a hardcore fan.
synthaza couldn't have a better speech. Maybe you want to reach more people, like people that read your post and go away. But, believe me, they won't change their minds. And even if you suggest minor changes, changes that won't affect anyone, it will demand much more work than Blizzard want to do. They already have a perfect game for most people, why would they change it?
I just want to add, sales are everything, for every company. That's what makes them a company.
They don't create games thinking "Hmm, let's just create a game no one will play!"
They create a game that usually is new and adds new elements to the gaming world like Diablo 1 did, in order to get the most sales.
They continued to get more sales by creating Diablo 2 and LoD and now they're aiming for even more sales with Diablo 3 even if they're trying to draw in more of a crowd. It doesn't make them horrible people for wanting more business, it makes them smart marketers. That's what companies do. Please the most people and make the most money so they can continue the cycle.
adam basically summarized what most people have been saying to the haters: shut the fuck up.
you're not going to get your photochopped world. get over it. wipe those emo tears off your face. you're a bunch of pissy self-righteous morons. the worst part is that you've barely even seen the game.
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Originally Posted by Kenzai Even if the increase in sales is tiny when compared to the sales in total, pleasing the older fans of the franchise is morally a plus for the company.
no, fuck you.
i've been playing diablo for over 9 years, i see nothing wrong with the art direction that they took. the light radius you faggots come up with is ludicrous. i have less time to spend on video games than i could with diablo and diablo 2. if i'm gonna spend a few hours in front of the computer i want to straight up kill some motherfucking zombies, not trying to figure out what the fuck is on 3/4 of my screen.
if you want diablo 3 darker, go lower the brightness of your screen. there, shut the fuck up. now go find better things to complain about, you fucking drama queens.
My sentiments exactly, also I think adams estimate of 300 petitioners actually holds water. If you consider that half of the people changed their mind afterward, and the other half was just bot votes, it makes sense.
I just want to add, sales are everything, for every company. That's what makes them a company.
They don't create games thinking "Hmm, let's just create a game no one will play!"
They create a game that usually is new and adds new elements to the gaming world like Diablo 1 did, in order to get the most sales.
They continued to get more sales by creating Diablo 2 and LoD and now they're aiming for even more sales with Diablo 3 even if they're trying to draw in more of a crowd. It doesn't make them horrible people for wanting more business, it makes them smart marketers. That's what companies do. Please the most people and make the most money so they can continue the cycle.
Don't forget their other brands that sell like water: Warcraft (1, 2 + Expansion, 3 + Frozen Throne, World of + Expansions), Starcraft (1 + Expansion, 2, is Ghost coming out?), Rock n' Roll Racing, The Vikings and Black Thorn (who knows? maybe they are planning something).
They ARE doing it for the money. And because they like. You can see lots of "independent" programmers making games, but which one achieved as much as one of the above?
I'm enjoying taking down the same points you keep bringing up in multiple threads.
1) So what if the game progresses into more darkness? Even the monsters in the first places will be happy and cheerful? Also the style of the models of some objects and lighting style etc. are things that most likely stay during the whole game. (I think its actually a part of the art style. Though it would be enaugh to just improve them in some way without changing them all that much.)
I don't really see what you are asking here. Yes, the game's story leads into darker areas. Moving on.
2) How in the hells do those things not matter for the gaming experience? Ill see those things the whole game.
Ah ha! See? You didn't read. I said that they don't "take you out" of the game experience. Of course, they matter, but they aren't BAD DESIGNS. They don't distract you from the game. They don't make normal people say "oh shit! those shoulders are too big and bulky! They don't allow free form of motion!!!!" If it doesn't take you out of the fantasy they've created then it is not worth asking to change it based on personal tastes or your interpretation of reality.
3) Not every kind of change is the same. You can change by improving from the previous aspects (example is below) or you can change it totally. D3 is i think kinda in between, they tried to just improve but changed some things kinda wrong or something, i dont really know either how they brought it to the current state.
You don't like change. Your arguments constantly refer to D2 as some kind of Diablo standard. You do realize that there was a minority of people who complained when they saw how D2 had changed from D1, right? Well, this situation is no different.
Its not like what i say will decrease sales. It has a chance of making them sell more, but just a minor number. If they only care about the total sales theyll ignore that minor part. If sales arent all they want, theyll try to please even that minor part.
Thats what i was trying to say.
Lets just hope theyre attempt of drawing more interest wont destroy the interest of other people.
I don't see how changing the game in that way has potential to sell more, even in a minor amount.
They're aiming for the most sales. If there is something they can change to increase sales in one demographic without decreasing in another you bet they will change it.
That minor change in sales may actually be something less than a few hundred.
But im sure more people will buy the game but dont enjoy it as much as they did enjoy the previous games and thats also not good.
But even more people will try the series for the first time and love it. Blizzard are marketing geniuses, if it's one thing we can be sure of, it's they know how to sell games. That's how they become increasingly popular.
You sure your english is good? Is your mind clear right now? Re-read please. Thanks.
Your question makes no sense. Rewrite it so that it makes sense.
Depending on your wiev they may be "good" or "awarage". But some people care much about those models seen through the whole game.
Most people care and most people like them. Moving on.
Other than that, D3 has those issues with the models and animations etc. which are much different than the environment issues.
If by "issues" you mean "not to Kenzai's personal tastes" then yes, D3 has "issues"...
The situation is the same. People cried when they saw that D2 has outdoor areas and intense, saturated colors. They said things were too bright. Now D3 is the same situation. If a forrest isn't shrouded in black charred bones and covered in a rain of blood somehow it is considered "happy" and "bright". The forest I saw was pretty, but in no way did it seem "happy". It seemed like a solid fantasy game area that was refreshing after being in a dungeon.
That minor change in sales may actually be something less than a few hundred.
But im sure more people will buy the game but dont enjoy it as much as they did enjoy the previous games and thats also not good.
More people will not like it as much as D1-D2? That's a ludicrous assumption.Also making the assumption that your suggestions will bring more players to the game is completley unfounded. Stop making visual suggestions and focus on gameplay suggestions. That's what Blizz is really looking for.Now get to it! *cracks the whip*
All we can do is speculate until we have the game on our hard drives, so everything everyone says is not a critique of the actual game. Just remember that when you are reading these forum posts. If you don't like Diablo 3, then don't play it.
Kenzai, it seems like you read only one line or two of people's post. I made 4 arguments, and you SORT OF answered one, MAYBE two.
I forgot about the fact they're going to do minor changes in dungeons. Do you really think they are changing it for people like us? No, they are changing it because they don't like it.
Get over it.
Also, where are the so called "lots of people in diablofans.com that don't like the art style" you said? Do you realize you are alone against lots of people, right?
I think people should just ignore you, anyways. Unless you have a Marketing or Design degree. Or a company with more than 10 million clients.
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having too big of armor?? and when ur char runs his head should be bangin against his helm...
arreee you kidding me??..
Yes.
You didn't watch half of it. You admitted this.
Don't rationalize why what you are asking for is reasonable. It still is you wanting to change the game. You like to appeal to numbers (citing the petition) when:
A. We all know that the petition isn't a reliable source.
B. There is a majority of people who don't share your sentiment on what counts as "better".
Your idea still falls within the boundaries of what YOU think is better for the game, whether you mention other people or not. You don't know that it will please everyone. You also know nothing about what it will do for Blizzard's reputation. You're guessing and hoping. That's ok, but you need to understand that "better' is subjective. And Blizzard hasn't shown us their entire vision of the game yet.
It doesn't matter. Like I said, it relied on jumping to the far end of the spectrum to prove a point, which is self defeating because your point only has presence if Mickey Mouse is really being put into D3.
You're definitely on an appeal to the masses kick. What you don't know is: That you are the minority. You are fans and your voice counts, but your ideas, I feel, won't make Diablo 3 a better game for "everyone".
Keep telling yourself all of this,...if you really think it will help. There is no point arguing with someone with no points and only make-believe and self-assurance used in repetition as their tools. You don't know what will make everyone happy. You'd like to think you do so that your vision of what D3 should be would be the "best" thing out there. And that's what you're always talking about in every thread: The "perfect" game - in YOUR eyes.
If you still can't understand that then it's no wonder you keep droning on like a broken record.
So are your complainers sizable on the forums? Yes. Are they sizable when you look outside forums? We don't know until it's released, but the internet and vocal minorities always generate more noise than their numbers.
The petition doesn't cite actual game problems. It instead explains that Diablo needs to meet a standard of personal taste.
The game has no real problems as it is. It just isn't dark enough for some people. However - if you tell a good story you know that it can't be on the same wavelength and have the same mood the entire time. If D3 was dark and ugly the entire time we would get bored quickly. D3 isn't post apocalyptic. It's post the world is healing up. Putting in nice areas and then having the storty take us to new corrupted areas and darker dungeons gives the feeling of a progression. A journey into the unknown. A quest that leads us from comfy villages and into the jaws of doom.
Secondly, none of the things complained about in the petition take people out of the experience. Hence, there isn't a real problem. It's a matter of taste. Your taste isn't necessarily what's "true" to Diablo. It's arrogant to assume it is.
You guys simply don't like change. That's what it really comes down to.
Your head.
you're not going to get your photochopped world. get over it. wipe those emo tears off your face. you're a bunch of pissy self-righteous morons. the worst part is that you've barely even seen the game.
no, fuck you.
i've been playing diablo for over 9 years, i see nothing wrong with the art direction that they took. the light radius you faggots come up with is ludicrous. i have less time to spend on video games than i could with diablo and diablo 2. if i'm gonna spend a few hours in front of the computer i want to straight up kill some motherfucking zombies, not trying to figure out what the fuck is on 3/4 of my screen.
if you want diablo 3 darker, go lower the brightness of your screen. there, shut the fuck up. now go find better things to complain about, you fucking drama queens.
So, are you just complaining to feel better? I'm pretty sure there will be as many people in lines to get a copy of D3 as there was people in lines to get an iPhone.
I wish I could be one of those, but I'll probably have to pay 200 bucks to put my hands on it on the first day.
I signed the petition. I didn't like the colors. I don't like the armors' shoulders. So what? Will Blizzard change the game for me? No. For diablofans.com? Not either. Oh, wait - for Blizzard Forums? No, no, no.
synthaza couldn't have a better speech. Maybe you want to reach more people, like people that read your post and go away. But, believe me, they won't change their minds. And even if you suggest minor changes, changes that won't affect anyone, it will demand much more work than Blizzard want to do. They already have a perfect game for most people, why would they change it?
I just want to add, sales are everything, for every company. That's what makes them a company.
They don't create games thinking "Hmm, let's just create a game no one will play!"
They create a game that usually is new and adds new elements to the gaming world like Diablo 1 did, in order to get the most sales.
They continued to get more sales by creating Diablo 2 and LoD and now they're aiming for even more sales with Diablo 3 even if they're trying to draw in more of a crowd. It doesn't make them horrible people for wanting more business, it makes them smart marketers. That's what companies do. Please the most people and make the most money so they can continue the cycle.
Don't forget their other brands that sell like water: Warcraft (1, 2 + Expansion, 3 + Frozen Throne, World of + Expansions), Starcraft (1 + Expansion, 2, is Ghost coming out?), Rock n' Roll Racing, The Vikings and Black Thorn (who knows? maybe they are planning something).
They ARE doing it for the money. And because they like. You can see lots of "independent" programmers making games, but which one achieved as much as one of the above?
I'm enjoying taking down the same points you keep bringing up in multiple threads.
I don't really see what you are asking here. Yes, the game's story leads into darker areas. Moving on.
Ah ha! See? You didn't read. I said that they don't "take you out" of the game experience. Of course, they matter, but they aren't BAD DESIGNS. They don't distract you from the game. They don't make normal people say "oh shit! those shoulders are too big and bulky! They don't allow free form of motion!!!!" If it doesn't take you out of the fantasy they've created then it is not worth asking to change it based on personal tastes or your interpretation of reality.
You don't like change. Your arguments constantly refer to D2 as some kind of Diablo standard. You do realize that there was a minority of people who complained when they saw how D2 had changed from D1, right? Well, this situation is no different.
I don't see how changing the game in that way has potential to sell more, even in a minor amount.
They're aiming for the most sales. If there is something they can change to increase sales in one demographic without decreasing in another you bet they will change it.
But even more people will try the series for the first time and love it. Blizzard are marketing geniuses, if it's one thing we can be sure of, it's they know how to sell games. That's how they become increasingly popular.
It feels good.
Your question makes no sense. Rewrite it so that it makes sense.
Most people care and most people like them. Moving on.
If by "issues" you mean "not to Kenzai's personal tastes" then yes, D3 has "issues"...
The situation is the same. People cried when they saw that D2 has outdoor areas and intense, saturated colors. They said things were too bright. Now D3 is the same situation. If a forrest isn't shrouded in black charred bones and covered in a rain of blood somehow it is considered "happy" and "bright". The forest I saw was pretty, but in no way did it seem "happy". It seemed like a solid fantasy game area that was refreshing after being in a dungeon.
I forgot about the fact they're going to do minor changes in dungeons. Do you really think they are changing it for people like us? No, they are changing it because they don't like it.
Get over it.
Also, where are the so called "lots of people in diablofans.com that don't like the art style" you said? Do you realize you are alone against lots of people, right?
I think people should just ignore you, anyways. Unless you have a Marketing or Design degree. Or a company with more than 10 million clients.