People who are actually using good gear will lose substantially more than 160 Dex. Natalya's set for me would be a huge DPS loss. Dropping 60 mil to lose DPS so I can SS more? I'll stick to not sucking at the game and kiting.
I also look forward to laughing at your sadness when the set is nerfed.
we all know this will be nerfed, or "bug fixed"....nuff said
Just like you all knew NT was getting nerfed, right? I love the people that know things, like they work for Blizzard. Blizzard has not stated, and obviously changed this for a reason.
If you didn't know NT was getting nerfed you were living in a fantasy land.
I still think the best gear swap right now is picking up a set of Natalya's 4p, but not sure I want to do that right now, since they've already said that Legendaries (which set items are Legendaries) are getting buffed, but not the ones that drop right now, but the ones that drop later.
^^ this
The 4p won't stay at 2 Disc. It'll be nerfed in no time and go back down to .40. I wouldn't waste any money on that set.
Why do you think it'll be nerfed. If anything, the others will be brought on line, and that'll be part of the buff. There should be a big advantage to wearing 4p of any set.
Because if you combine Night Stalker with a total of 3 Disc/second you'd pretty much never run out, thus making you pretty much invincible. As soon as someone shows how ridiculous 3 Disc/second regen is, it will be nerfed back into the ground.
I still think the best gear swap right now is picking up a set of Natalya's 4p, but not sure I want to do that right now, since they've already said that Legendaries (which set items are Legendaries) are getting buffed, but not the ones that drop right now, but the ones that drop later.
^^ this
The 4p won't stay at 2 Disc. It'll be nerfed in no time and go back down to .40. I wouldn't waste any money on that set.
can easily reach 400% crit dmg with sockets.
can obtain 60 max discipline.
and passive to give around 25-30% crit chance
aswell as the fast attack speed.
HA, one of these, just one, with those stats, would easily cost you over 150-200mil+. So good luck finding one with those stats, and one that you can afford x2.
Honestly, I'd love to buy a new weapon, but they are still overpriced for the damage that I would gain. I'm not dropping 50 million gold for 3000 damage. Sorry, not happening. I can still clear the game with my current weapon (1050 xbow 100+DEX w/ socket) so I can afford to wait for the prices to drop. You know, unless one of you fine gents has a 1200+ socket xbow/bow on the cheap.
I'd drop 50 mil on 3k damage, cause that means, way more than 3k with sharpshooter.
Too bad Sharpshooter DPS is beyond irrelevant with NT's multiple hits no longer taking place. Literally the only thing Sharpshooter had going for it was the fact that during that 1s from the first crit, 4-5+ hits of NT would take place. That number is now 1-2, and Sharpshooter is more useless than it ever was.
1. http://www.diablofans.com/topic/46517-demon-hunter-dps-calculator/
2. No, put in a max buyout (i.e 10,000,000) and sort by DPS.
3. Weapon will always give the biggest gains, as for other slots it really depends on what you have that's weak and what you can find. If you have bad gloves for example, but come across an amazing ring for cheap you can snag that instead.
Gloves/Rings/Amulets are the slots that give DH the most bang for the buck. Reason being is they can have all our wanted stats, AS, Dex, Crit DMG/Hit. Things like Pants, Belts and Shoulders are meh because the only difference between 1 mil pants and 10 mil pants is likely 20 Dex and a socket. I'd say look over your gear and find your weakest piece, and try to upgrade that first. No point in upgrading something that's decent, and upgrading weak slots will give you the largest gains.
Use the spreadsheet. 99% of the time, a weapon will provide the largest DPS boost than any other slot. 10 mil in terms of weapons will get you into the 1250 range, and likely boost your DPS by 10-15k.
People are going to say 'get a weapon with a socket and/or Crit DMG', but unless you get lucky you won't find one of those that does more DPS than a 1250 for the same price. When it comes to weapons always check the spreadsheet. I've found that a 1k DPS with Crit DMG and a socket gives less DPS gain than something at 1200.
Actually after looking at the AH, you can get something in the 1230 range for 5 mil or less. This would give you some left over change to buy another very nice piece of gear. Probably your best bet.
The value of stats (especially Crit Hit/DMG) vary depending on gear. The spreadsheet can show you the numbers if you want to see them in your gear. It's also worth noting that 1% Crit DMG shouldn't be compared to something like 1 Dex or 1% AS, as you have to take the roll budget into consideration.
Figured I could shed some light here, as I've been thinking about it a lot recently.
If the leaked changes are correct, it will change how we gear. At the very highest level, you'll still want the 'trifecta'. Attack Speed (AS), Crit DMG and Crit Chance with Dex. Currently, AS is valued the highest (usually, it can depend on your gear) of these stats due to it's roll budget.
On gloves for example, AS can go up to 18 (I think, not entirely relevant). This means that the new maximum value is 9. If you look at the stats based on their maximum possible rolls (these numbers are from my average geared DH with ~33% Crit Chance and a measly 125% Crit DMG):
What this means is that as a stat roll, the value of AS drops significantly. Before this change, 18 AS as a max roll would have given me 7.5k DPS.
As usually when you're buying gear, you won't frown on AS. However, something with high rolls of Crit Chance and Crit DMG are much more likely to give you more DPS than something with say, AS and Crit Chance/DMG.
Items with 'bad' combos like Dex/Crit Chance/AS will likely see a drop in value, whereas items that were formerly 'missing AS' and had high Crit Chance/DMG rolls will be worth more. As usual, items with the trifecta of stats will be worth a lot. If you're playing glass cannon and think about our possible stat rolls, Dex, AS, Crit Chance/DMG are really all we care about. You can find all these stats on Amulets, Gloves, Rings, etc. No other stat can take the place of AS in terms of our DPS, so it still has value. However, items without AS will likely see a large increase in value.
Be sure to update your spreadsheet numbers with halved AS values when buying new gear. And keep the changes in mind when shopping. For example, a 120 Dex Andariel's Visage with 6% AS and 3% Crit gives me less DPS than a 180 Dex random helm with 3% Crit. If you have items like Lacuni Bracers, you may want to consider dumping them immediately (or Asheara's Lock, Boj Anglers), because while their value is the utility stats, the DPS value was primarily in AS. Something like Boj Anglers suddenly becomes horribly worse than boots with 250 Dex and 12% Movespeed.
Another classic case of sellers wanting stupid prices for items.
The one's you've listed are on the AH at that price because they haven't sold, something to remember. The MF on the helm you've posted is entirely useless, as anyone building an MF set is buying a helm with more than 12% base. This helm would only be bought for the highest price by a Monk, and even then he's much more likely to get something with +AR, +Dex and +Vit.
All in all, the helm has no market. There isn't really anyone to sell it to. MF gear users are going to find something with more MF. Monks are going to find something with Vit. And DH are going to be after Crit chance on helm.
Not bad for dps but you need to have more stats when you start buying more expensive bows.
wat. A weapon is the first thing you should spend millions on. You got an OK deal with the one you have. The next weapon you buy (whenever that may be) should be 1250-1300 DPS or more, possibly with a socket, so you're looking at 6-10 mil for your next upgrade.
Max discipline is helpful when you're gearing up, but becomes less helpful as you become more geared. When you're doing more damage, things die faster, so you need to rely on SS less. Keep the other quiver for a while and see if you find yourself needing to SS more than you're able to. If so, switch back to the discipline quiver.
I wasn't saying that he shouldn't spend millions on a weapon. What I meant was that he should look for a weapon with more than one stat when he upgrades next time. My bow has dex, vit, +dmg, and a socket. You want to get the most for your money when you are spending 2 mil+
The DPS is all that matters. If a bow has Dex, you factor that into your decision with the help of the spreadsheet. Sockets aren't required and are extremely expensive. The total DPS gain you get is important, how you get it is irrelevant. Whether it be extra stats on the bow, or raw damage, or a socket.
If you can afford it you should take advantage of getting a stat on a bow. I think it is a waste of money to spend 2+mil on a bow with only one or 2 stats. I agree that your overall DPS is all that matters, but you limit how much you can upgrade your character if you waste an opportunity on a better upgrade. If you don't get max discipline, for example, you can only make that stat up on your chest armor and quiver. I understand that bows are expensive, but I figured that if you are spending 6-10 mil as you suggested, why waste that on a bow with just one or two stats.
A bow with one or two stats isn't a waste of it gives you 10k DPS. A bow with only +damage that gives 10k DPS is superior in every way to a bow with Dex, Crit and a socket that only gives 9k DPS (after all things are considered). You spend as much as you can on whatever weapon gives you the most DPS.
Max Discipline loses value as your DPS increases, and the only other relevant stat on weapons is +Crit. But since +Crit only affects DPS, we're back to the fact that the highest DPS is what matters, the stats don't.
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I also look forward to laughing at your sadness when the set is nerfed.
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If you didn't know NT was getting nerfed you were living in a fantasy land.
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Because if you combine Night Stalker with a total of 3 Disc/second you'd pretty much never run out, thus making you pretty much invincible. As soon as someone shows how ridiculous 3 Disc/second regen is, it will be nerfed back into the ground.
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The 4p won't stay at 2 Disc. It'll be nerfed in no time and go back down to .40. I wouldn't waste any money on that set.
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Too bad Sharpshooter DPS is beyond irrelevant with NT's multiple hits no longer taking place. Literally the only thing Sharpshooter had going for it was the fact that during that 1s from the first crit, 4-5+ hits of NT would take place. That number is now 1-2, and Sharpshooter is more useless than it ever was.
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2. No, put in a max buyout (i.e 10,000,000) and sort by DPS.
3. Weapon will always give the biggest gains, as for other slots it really depends on what you have that's weak and what you can find. If you have bad gloves for example, but come across an amazing ring for cheap you can snag that instead.
Gloves/Rings/Amulets are the slots that give DH the most bang for the buck. Reason being is they can have all our wanted stats, AS, Dex, Crit DMG/Hit. Things like Pants, Belts and Shoulders are meh because the only difference between 1 mil pants and 10 mil pants is likely 20 Dex and a socket. I'd say look over your gear and find your weakest piece, and try to upgrade that first. No point in upgrading something that's decent, and upgrading weak slots will give you the largest gains.
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People are going to say 'get a weapon with a socket and/or Crit DMG', but unless you get lucky you won't find one of those that does more DPS than a 1250 for the same price. When it comes to weapons always check the spreadsheet. I've found that a 1k DPS with Crit DMG and a socket gives less DPS gain than something at 1200.
Actually after looking at the AH, you can get something in the 1230 range for 5 mil or less. This would give you some left over change to buy another very nice piece of gear. Probably your best bet.
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Nothing about the AS change will affect glass cannon viability.
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If the leaked changes are correct, it will change how we gear. At the very highest level, you'll still want the 'trifecta'. Attack Speed (AS), Crit DMG and Crit Chance with Dex. Currently, AS is valued the highest (usually, it can depend on your gear) of these stats due to it's roll budget.
On gloves for example, AS can go up to 18 (I think, not entirely relevant). This means that the new maximum value is 9. If you look at the stats based on their maximum possible rolls (these numbers are from my average geared DH with ~33% Crit Chance and a measly 125% Crit DMG):
9 AS = +3740 DPS
50% Crit DMG = +6480 DPS
10% Crit Chance = +4951 DPS
What this means is that as a stat roll, the value of AS drops significantly. Before this change, 18 AS as a max roll would have given me 7.5k DPS.
As usually when you're buying gear, you won't frown on AS. However, something with high rolls of Crit Chance and Crit DMG are much more likely to give you more DPS than something with say, AS and Crit Chance/DMG.
Items with 'bad' combos like Dex/Crit Chance/AS will likely see a drop in value, whereas items that were formerly 'missing AS' and had high Crit Chance/DMG rolls will be worth more. As usual, items with the trifecta of stats will be worth a lot. If you're playing glass cannon and think about our possible stat rolls, Dex, AS, Crit Chance/DMG are really all we care about. You can find all these stats on Amulets, Gloves, Rings, etc. No other stat can take the place of AS in terms of our DPS, so it still has value. However, items without AS will likely see a large increase in value.
Be sure to update your spreadsheet numbers with halved AS values when buying new gear. And keep the changes in mind when shopping. For example, a 120 Dex Andariel's Visage with 6% AS and 3% Crit gives me less DPS than a 180 Dex random helm with 3% Crit. If you have items like Lacuni Bracers, you may want to consider dumping them immediately (or Asheara's Lock, Boj Anglers), because while their value is the utility stats, the DPS value was primarily in AS. Something like Boj Anglers suddenly becomes horribly worse than boots with 250 Dex and 12% Movespeed.
Happy shopping!
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The one's you've listed are on the AH at that price because they haven't sold, something to remember. The MF on the helm you've posted is entirely useless, as anyone building an MF set is buying a helm with more than 12% base. This helm would only be bought for the highest price by a Monk, and even then he's much more likely to get something with +AR, +Dex and +Vit.
All in all, the helm has no market. There isn't really anyone to sell it to. MF gear users are going to find something with more MF. Monks are going to find something with Vit. And DH are going to be after Crit chance on helm.
I'd be surprised if you got more than 100k.
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Yes... and I'm saying it's not 'more successful'. There's nothing harder about pressing Gloom over pressing SS.
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A bow with one or two stats isn't a waste of it gives you 10k DPS. A bow with only +damage that gives 10k DPS is superior in every way to a bow with Dex, Crit and a socket that only gives 9k DPS (after all things are considered). You spend as much as you can on whatever weapon gives you the most DPS.
Max Discipline loses value as your DPS increases, and the only other relevant stat on weapons is +Crit. But since +Crit only affects DPS, we're back to the fact that the highest DPS is what matters, the stats don't.