The 5 Archangels are born out of the crystal arch and each embody the 5 virtues/aspects of Anu.
Each Aspect is tied to them like a soul... and it cannot just be traded..or declared that your are one of the others.. Tyrael can call himself the 'Archangel of Wisdom' but not the 'Aspect of Wisdom' as he is the 'Aspect of Justice'.
Maltheal may declare himself the 'Archangel of Death' but he is still the 'Aspect of Wisdom'.
I don't feel I 'botched' the wording at all..
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant the blizzard response was botched, not your comment. Your comment is valid in that they haven't fully explained yet how Tyrael and/or Maltheal were able to apparently change their aspects.
My guess is that they aren't changing their personal fates, but rather changing their approach to fulfilling that fate. Malthael just wants to end the war. From his perspective, killing all human accomplishes that. Tyrael wants to establish peace, both in the High Heavens and in Sanctuary. After everything the Nephalem has accomplished, he views Wisdom as more important than Justice, so he switches his focus.
Again, that's just a guess. Would have been a good question for the panel, but apparently the people who paid to go to Blizzcon and waited in line didn't bother to do their homework...
Except that's what they're doing. Tyrael drinks into the Chalice of Wisdom. Mortals shouldn't be able to do that, and it sounds like other angels have never done it, save Malthiel. Lots of angels hang out and drink in the Pools of Wisdom, but none of them use the Chalice. Tyrael using the Chalice, as a mortal no less, means the angels (at least the Angris Council) can and do change their "alignment" if they so choose. One of the core themes of this expansion is choice, specifically how angels and demons CANNOT CHOOSE their own fates. So, for all the time before mortality, the angels could have changed their Aspect/Rank, but then they lack the ability to choose to do so. It's not all that clear if choice is a human/Nephalem trait, or simply a mortal trait (Tyrael is mortal, but not human). This also doesn't explain Malthiel all that well; Blizz says he has choice, but how did he gain that ability? Did he steal it w/ all of the dead souls he's collected? And it still doesn't explain Inarius and Lilith, like, at all.
Inarius is the exception that proves the rule. He sided with demons out of a desire to end the conflict, by bringing peace. Not only did that backfire in a big way, the council basically abandoned him.
So if Tyreal is still the Aspect of Justice, then i guess Maltheal is still the Aspect of Wisdom.
Good, coz it seemed to break the lore a little when in the cinematic is seemed that Tyrael would just 'decide' he is now the aspect of Wisdom..
If he is just deciding to be the 'archangel of Wisdom' thats fine.. because he isn't smart enough to be the 'Aspect of Wisdom'
I think the wording there was kind of botched. I THINK what he meant to say was that Tyrael WAS still the aspect of justice after becoming mortal. When he "officially" rejoins the council, he becomes Wisdom instead, presumably dropping the mantle of justice in the process. "Since justice has been served".
How and why he can do that, and how exactly that works, and how it effects Malthael, are things they haven't discussed in detail yet. Probably will be discussed in the upcoming book.
No, Imperius flat out tells him "you're not fit to be the Aspect of Wisdom." Eventually, Tyrael gets the courage to go and look into the Chalice of Wisdom, where he finally realize that the Black Soulstone has to leave the Heavens, and that only humans can guard it. (Book of Tyrael).
Ah, thanks trocadero. I really need to read Book of Tyrael...
One of the "leaked" audio files, as well as a lot of pre-Blizzcon forum posts, talks about Angels and Demons having no choice. They are forced to do the things they do; only humans (and apparently Malthiel) can choose their own fates. So demons are SUPPOSED to turn and corrupt angels, but angels are only supposed to destroy demons. It seems very odd. You'd think redemption would be a core aspect of the High Heavens, but I guess forgiveness isn't a Holy virtue. Zoltun's right, humans need to ditch both demons and angels.
Remember, this is the Diablo-verse. The Eternal Conflict is more order vs chaos than good vs evil.
And as for Maltheal, remember that he was the aspect of Wisdom. We also know that since El'Druin couldn't hurt him, his cause is righteous (from an Angel's perspective at least). I think it's less a case of him "choosing" to act differently, and more taking his role to it's logical conclusion.
Well. That was a waste of time. Half of the questions were spoiler stuff they obviously can't/won't answer, and the other half are questions that have already been answered in other sources. You'd think the people at Blizzcon to ask the questions would be dedicated enough fans to actually read the stuff that answered these extremely basic questions.
To be fair, most of the "good" questions I can think of are probably too spoilery. The more they talk, the more I'm convinced that Pandemonium is the "void place" where the souls of the dead, humans and demons, go. One question I wish someone asked; we've seen many angels corrupted by demons (Izual and the Charging Beasts of Heaven), but we've never seen a demon "sanctified" by demons. Makes angels seem pretty wimpy, right?
Not wimpy, just stubborn, self-righteous, and uncompromising. Demons are willing to break rules to get what they want. Corrupting angels is just another method to accomplish their goals. Angels on the other hand, even the more open-minded ones, would consider trying to "turn" a demon unacceptable.
Remember, this is the Diablo-verse. The Eternal Conflict is more order vs chaos than good vs evil.
Well. That was a waste of time. Half of the questions were spoiler stuff they obviously can't/won't answer, and the other half are questions that have already been answered in other sources. You'd think the people at Blizzcon to ask the questions would be dedicated enough fans to actually read the stuff that answered these extremely basic questions.
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant the blizzard response was botched, not your comment. Your comment is valid in that they haven't fully explained yet how Tyrael and/or Maltheal were able to apparently change their aspects.
My guess is that they aren't changing their personal fates, but rather changing their approach to fulfilling that fate. Malthael just wants to end the war. From his perspective, killing all human accomplishes that. Tyrael wants to establish peace, both in the High Heavens and in Sanctuary. After everything the Nephalem has accomplished, he views Wisdom as more important than Justice, so he switches his focus.
Again, that's just a guess. Would have been a good question for the panel, but apparently the people who paid to go to Blizzcon and waited in line didn't bother to do their homework...
Inarius is the exception that proves the rule. He sided with demons out of a desire to end the conflict, by bringing peace. Not only did that backfire in a big way, the council basically abandoned him.
I think the wording there was kind of botched. I THINK what he meant to say was that Tyrael WAS still the aspect of justice after becoming mortal. When he "officially" rejoins the council, he becomes Wisdom instead, presumably dropping the mantle of justice in the process. "Since justice has been served".
How and why he can do that, and how exactly that works, and how it effects Malthael, are things they haven't discussed in detail yet. Probably will be discussed in the upcoming book.
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Ah, thanks trocadero. I really need to read Book of Tyrael...
And as for Maltheal, remember that he was the aspect of Wisdom. We also know that since El'Druin couldn't hurt him, his cause is righteous (from an Angel's perspective at least). I think it's less a case of him "choosing" to act differently, and more taking his role to it's logical conclusion.
Not wimpy, just stubborn, self-righteous, and uncompromising. Demons are willing to break rules to get what they want. Corrupting angels is just another method to accomplish their goals. Angels on the other hand, even the more open-minded ones, would consider trying to "turn" a demon unacceptable.
Remember, this is the Diablo-verse. The Eternal Conflict is more order vs chaos than good vs evil.