What i have been trying to say all along is that I THINK WoW gives WARCRAFT a bad name. When i think of warcraft (and before WoW came out so did everyone else on the planet) i think of one of the greatest RTS games of all time. Period. Not a MMORPG. And a pretty shit one at that. Thats my opinion, take it or leave it. If you dont like it then tough titties, but dont go digging up pictures to try and insult me. I didnt ask for conflict but you had to be a fucking smart ass didnt you. Jeez...
You think it was one of the greatest RTS series. Guess what? It STILL is! The RTS series isnt over yet and thats confirmed by Metzen himself.
You think WoW is a shitty MMORPG. Thinking requires logic and u lack at that (at least on this matter). So its either "i dont like for x & y reasons" or "i'm full of shit and i dont know what i'm talking about". If its an opinion keep it for urself. When you talk with a community bring out some points.
Just tried to point out that its MY opinion. And so you guys have decided to have an opinion on my opinion? I dont understand...all im trying to do is talk about the topic? Isnt that what we are sposed to do? I mean, im sure bagging a random person you dont know on some random forums makes you feel all big, but its kinda pathetic and not really the point of the forums.
whats more pathetic is to say something and ask of it to be left there just because u dont have any points to support it. An opinion u can have without saying it. If you want to talk to someone about it just have the brains to think of something to support it. And btw ur not really talking about this topic by "its my opinion so take it or leave it". People here said WoW sux and we disagree. We also have facts it doesnt so spare us.
Big i feel anyway. I dont argue only here. I TALK with people everywhere. And i can get convinced too when the one i'm talking to has some good points.
Question: do you guys even like the diablo series?
i'll answer with another question:
have you ever read any of my previous posts on this forum? If yes then ur out of ur mind. If not then just do it and see for urself.
same u can do in WoW and much more, but u cant compare it with Diablo. Dont be silly. U cant compare a MMORPG with a Hack & Slash rpg thats mainly single player (with a coop option).
Have you EVER played D2 online through hell without being rushed by a ultra-powerful friend????
have u? Diablo 2 is perfectly soloable from lvl 1 to 99 to all normal/nm/hell. If a player knows how to play, he manages to finish it. Thats why Multiplayer is just an option.
and the people here on this forum, think not.
cant speak for all the people on the forum. There are only few stupid people (i hope) that try to compare Diablo with WoW. I dont agree with the comparison this "WoW Fan" makes. I think its just as stupid as the tries to prove the exact opposite.
No not really, then there would be not point in the game, to some of us, the D2 world is just as challenging as to the WoW world...
havent found as much challenge in Diablo 2 than in WoW tbh. But Diablo was more rewarding in matter loots instead. The easier way to get access to loots made it pretty addicting to farm for them at the bosses i killed (without much effort most of the time).
Have you not noticed the lag and the sites selling WoW items? Yup, that team is doing a really good job
most sites actually sell gold, not items (Blizzard doesnt accept them, also doesnt accept e-bay accounts/item selling). Anyway, if u want u can farm it urself. If u want u can also report the bots that do farm gold/items and get their account banned from the game. U see, Blizzard hired more personell to take care of these things (Game Masters 24/7 to assist u with any problems for example) with the money we pay. Paying for a service u actually get isnt bad at all.
According to the oxford dictoionary, an opinion is: a view or judgement not necessarily based on fact or knowledge
cool.
So wow i guess that just fucks up your ideas. I can say whatever the fuck i want, as can everyone here, and it is still classed as an opinion. The actual integrity of the opinion doesnt matter, an opinion is an opinion.
i'll let u answer to that:
What i have been trying to say all along is that WoW gives WARCRAFT a bad name.
that u failed to support, thus ur full of shit. U tried to say something thats not just an opinion. U tried to make a statement without valid points.
Warcraft has its own universe. Its not just the RTS series. It has books that tell its story etc. Dont like it? Your problem. WoW is a great game all the way that kept many aspects of its RTS series (just as the cartoonish graphics - the ones u prolly dont like in the RTS series too?), continues the history and makes the lore even better and allows u to jump in.
I simply said i hate the cartoonish graphics and gameplay and it ruins the style of the Warcraft series.
1. its just as cartoonish as the RTS series
2. Its not a part of the series (its not Warcraft 4, its World of Warcraft) and a completely different kind of game (as i mentioned in previous posts, you didnt read)
i was under the impression i was putting foward my own opinion.
i wasnt. Anyway, if its indeed ur opinion then u really fail to support it logically.
well, they say that a picture is worth 1000 words... in that case i had much to say by posting that picture (most of which i already said a few pages before but u just decided to say "WoW sux!" to get most of the Diablo communitys favor).
3. its kinda sucks cause u get so much shit for being a low lvl or maybe i just sucked at the game but after 2 months i only had a lvl 23 hunter.
to get to lvl 23 takes literally 2 days for a player that knows how to play and about 5-6 days to someone new (not talking about playing all day, 2 hours/day should be enough for that). WoW, either most in here like it or not, offers way more things to do than Diablo. As Phrozen said, Diablo is only about killing monsters. There's no quest (nothing that doesnt require you to kill a certain mob, at least) or something relevant. We've talked about it too many times and no valid point to make anyone believe WoW does suck has been posted. The only good point i've seen was: "i'm too cheap to pay for it" and grats to the person that said it.
talking can hurt someone same as an axe, or sword. Sometimes even more! I like Muttons way to answer alot but i dont use that much sarcasm/cynicism as he does, usually. The post has to be completely retarded to get such an anser.
anyway, about Karlas posts... Prolly you didnt read the posts i made earlier. MMORPGs are like that. You cant expect everything to be soloable. Yes, it requires waiting to get people for a 5 man instance. Yes it requires organization for the 40 man raids (that reset only once a week - not twice). But there arent all instances as hard. Molten Core is a joke. Blackwing Lair is ok. Temple of Ahn Qiraj is one step harder and Naxxramas is just insane. The best items are for the ones that give more effort to the game, not for everyone. Its what a MMO is all about. You're telling me WoW is boring. How is it boring when u always have something to do? Sorry, but it doesnt make any sense. As one of the loading screen tips say "If you're in a queue for a Battleground, you dont have to stand by the battleground to remain in the queue". To find people in your instance groups that stay till the end is your job, not the games. There's something called "friends list" that you can use to add people u know they stay to the end.
in 40 man raids, does it really matter that your there?
ofc it matters. Every class has its role. If you dont play your class well then you shouldnt play in end-game.
how it made me long for Diablo again, the most fun game ever.
it made u long a game that only has 1 thing to do. Kill mobs. You can do that in WoW too. Make a mage, spec for aoe, go and kill stuff. Nothing more than that. Oh, wait you want to get the best items of the game while playing by pressing 1 button without doing anything hard. Sorry, for that WoW isnt good, really.
WoW is action MMORPG btw. The action is pretty fast, especially when u play certain classes (rogue/warrior anyone?)
The way our newcomer ArchVile described Diablo made me feel like its an easymode game u can play and finish without watching what ur actually doing (hold ur left mouse button and every mob u fight gets dead, you win, hurray). I always tried to find alternative ways to kill in Diablo (2). Not just "press one button and win". I dont like "iwin buttons", thats why i really like the way WoW goes. Figure out the strategy, focus and u'll get the kill. What every guy in here always forgets is that in WoW ur supposed to play with others, which makes the pace of the kills/progress way faster. Even if it was as easy as some of u guys want it (cause u want it easier, not faster - thats total crap) it would be too easy to bother playing with.
first off: As a MMORPG WoW is based on quests. But there cant be limitless kinds of quests. They have to suite the game mechanics. In other words there are 3 kinds of quests in WoW:
1st u got to kill mobs/pick up stuff and return to the NPC
2nd u got to take note A from NPC A to NPC B (or just talk to them)
3rd to escort NPC A safely to a certain spot.
Lvling in WoW is way easier than in any other MMORPG (except Guild Wars where u can get an already maxed lvl character just to pvp - or thats just what i heared). Dying doesnt cost xp, Quests are in abundance everywhere. The higher lvl u get, the more interesting quests you get (if u know how to read anyways, thats where u get to know the stories told about the quests).
The fact that its a MMORPG and u get to interact with many people is one way to keep it fun. Help some1 u see in trouble, u might receive help in another case or just get ganked by some1 from the opposing faction at some point. The game keeps fresh at all times (maybe lvls 30-40 can be bit boring cause of the long distances between quests and the lack of a mount at that point but they're easy to get over with) - by this i mean there's always another challenge for ur character/group and the talent lines/new spells make it even more interesting. I'd suggest u choose another class if u find that boring with the one u picked (or another race, the start regions are really different).
As for the fact it takes too much time of our lives... it really does. But thats only cause its fun - we wouldnt stay to play "just 5 more minutes" all the time, then just to get the lvl, just to train new spells, just test the new spells etc etc. Ofc if u have something better to do, go do it. Real Life is more important than a computer game anyways. Even the best one ^^
know the difference between u and them? u dont try to make the game look bad cause u dont have the money to pay for it, yet. Not everyone has money to give for a video game every month and thats understandable. But trying to make a game look bad cause u cant play it just sux.
they can't, dude. Cause there's nothing they can hold against it that wouldnt include all mmorpgs. And if they say "mmorpgs suck" then it would mean that they're either too cheap to pay for some quality game (with quality service) or they dont have time for it. But it still doesnt make the games bad ^^
You think it was one of the greatest RTS series. Guess what? It STILL is! The RTS series isnt over yet and thats confirmed by Metzen himself.
You think WoW is a shitty MMORPG. Thinking requires logic and u lack at that (at least on this matter). So its either "i dont like for x & y reasons" or "i'm full of shit and i dont know what i'm talking about". If its an opinion keep it for urself. When you talk with a community bring out some points.
whats more pathetic is to say something and ask of it to be left there just because u dont have any points to support it. An opinion u can have without saying it. If you want to talk to someone about it just have the brains to think of something to support it. And btw ur not really talking about this topic by "its my opinion so take it or leave it". People here said WoW sux and we disagree. We also have facts it doesnt so spare us.
Big i feel anyway. I dont argue only here. I TALK with people everywhere. And i can get convinced too when the one i'm talking to has some good points.
i'll answer with another question:
have you ever read any of my previous posts on this forum? If yes then ur out of ur mind. If not then just do it and see for urself.
same u can do in WoW and much more, but u cant compare it with Diablo. Dont be silly. U cant compare a MMORPG with a Hack & Slash rpg thats mainly single player (with a coop option).
have u? Diablo 2 is perfectly soloable from lvl 1 to 99 to all normal/nm/hell. If a player knows how to play, he manages to finish it. Thats why Multiplayer is just an option.
cant speak for all the people on the forum. There are only few stupid people (i hope) that try to compare Diablo with WoW. I dont agree with the comparison this "WoW Fan" makes. I think its just as stupid as the tries to prove the exact opposite.
havent found as much challenge in Diablo 2 than in WoW tbh. But Diablo was more rewarding in matter loots instead. The easier way to get access to loots made it pretty addicting to farm for them at the bosses i killed (without much effort most of the time).
most sites actually sell gold, not items (Blizzard doesnt accept them, also doesnt accept e-bay accounts/item selling). Anyway, if u want u can farm it urself. If u want u can also report the bots that do farm gold/items and get their account banned from the game. U see, Blizzard hired more personell to take care of these things (Game Masters 24/7 to assist u with any problems for example) with the money we pay. Paying for a service u actually get isnt bad at all.
cheers.
cool.
i'll let u answer to that:
that u failed to support, thus ur full of shit. U tried to say something thats not just an opinion. U tried to make a statement without valid points.
Warcraft has its own universe. Its not just the RTS series. It has books that tell its story etc. Dont like it? Your problem. WoW is a great game all the way that kept many aspects of its RTS series (just as the cartoonish graphics - the ones u prolly dont like in the RTS series too?), continues the history and makes the lore even better and allows u to jump in.
1. its just as cartoonish as the RTS series
2. Its not a part of the series (its not Warcraft 4, its World of Warcraft) and a completely different kind of game (as i mentioned in previous posts, you didnt read)
i wasnt. Anyway, if its indeed ur opinion then u really fail to support it logically.
i'll only use 1 quote:
to get to lvl 23 takes literally 2 days for a player that knows how to play and about 5-6 days to someone new (not talking about playing all day, 2 hours/day should be enough for that). WoW, either most in here like it or not, offers way more things to do than Diablo. As Phrozen said, Diablo is only about killing monsters. There's no quest (nothing that doesnt require you to kill a certain mob, at least) or something relevant. We've talked about it too many times and no valid point to make anyone believe WoW does suck has been posted. The only good point i've seen was: "i'm too cheap to pay for it" and grats to the person that said it.
i exclude gnomes and dwarves and ur right
anyway, about Karlas posts... Prolly you didnt read the posts i made earlier. MMORPGs are like that. You cant expect everything to be soloable. Yes, it requires waiting to get people for a 5 man instance. Yes it requires organization for the 40 man raids (that reset only once a week - not twice). But there arent all instances as hard. Molten Core is a joke. Blackwing Lair is ok. Temple of Ahn Qiraj is one step harder and Naxxramas is just insane. The best items are for the ones that give more effort to the game, not for everyone. Its what a MMO is all about. You're telling me WoW is boring. How is it boring when u always have something to do? Sorry, but it doesnt make any sense. As one of the loading screen tips say "If you're in a queue for a Battleground, you dont have to stand by the battleground to remain in the queue". To find people in your instance groups that stay till the end is your job, not the games. There's something called "friends list" that you can use to add people u know they stay to the end.
ofc it matters. Every class has its role. If you dont play your class well then you shouldnt play in end-game.
it made u long a game that only has 1 thing to do. Kill mobs. You can do that in WoW too. Make a mage, spec for aoe, go and kill stuff. Nothing more than that. Oh, wait you want to get the best items of the game while playing by pressing 1 button without doing anything hard. Sorry, for that WoW isnt good, really.
The way our newcomer ArchVile described Diablo made me feel like its an easymode game u can play and finish without watching what ur actually doing (hold ur left mouse button and every mob u fight gets dead, you win, hurray). I always tried to find alternative ways to kill in Diablo (2). Not just "press one button and win". I dont like "iwin buttons", thats why i really like the way WoW goes. Figure out the strategy, focus and u'll get the kill. What every guy in here always forgets is that in WoW ur supposed to play with others, which makes the pace of the kills/progress way faster. Even if it was as easy as some of u guys want it (cause u want it easier, not faster - thats total crap) it would be too easy to bother playing with.
1st u got to kill mobs/pick up stuff and return to the NPC
2nd u got to take note A from NPC A to NPC B (or just talk to them)
3rd to escort NPC A safely to a certain spot.
Lvling in WoW is way easier than in any other MMORPG (except Guild Wars where u can get an already maxed lvl character just to pvp - or thats just what i heared). Dying doesnt cost xp, Quests are in abundance everywhere. The higher lvl u get, the more interesting quests you get (if u know how to read anyways, thats where u get to know the stories told about the quests).
The fact that its a MMORPG and u get to interact with many people is one way to keep it fun. Help some1 u see in trouble, u might receive help in another case or just get ganked by some1 from the opposing faction at some point. The game keeps fresh at all times (maybe lvls 30-40 can be bit boring cause of the long distances between quests and the lack of a mount at that point but they're easy to get over with) - by this i mean there's always another challenge for ur character/group and the talent lines/new spells make it even more interesting. I'd suggest u choose another class if u find that boring with the one u picked (or another race, the start regions are really different).
As for the fact it takes too much time of our lives... it really does. But thats only cause its fun - we wouldnt stay to play "just 5 more minutes" all the time, then just to get the lvl, just to train new spells, just test the new spells etc etc. Ofc if u have something better to do, go do it. Real Life is more important than a computer game anyways. Even the best one ^^