If it were multiplicative then the more of health you have the less effective it is, the same with damage.
Another thing is there's no way to do anything like 4v4 right now with brawling, since you get one-shot no matter what anyway, you never see the interesting dynamics possible of 4v4 arena, because you could have 1 tank in the party doing what you're saying, but in a scenario where it's 4 dps v 1 tank, the tank will still be killed, which makes it fair, and is the same thing as you have tanks and healers in your party when you do GR. But now it's PvP, people don't really realize how it's basically the same thing, but player controlled instead of non-player controlled, and it's just a x v x in PvP instead of x v y in PvE (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, vs, 1v500, 2v500, 3v500, 4v500).
And in the end, so what if they can't die? In PvP, if you can't die but can't kill anyone, there's no good in that, so they're just making themselves invincible by sacrificing being able to kill anyone else. But because it's brawling and basically a 4-player FFA only, you don't have any teamwork so you could have 3v1 tank and the tank would still die, but at least not everyone is getting 1-shot which is still the ONLY PROBLEM MAKING IT NOT WORK AT ALL (even if they can tank, at least others can kill each other without 1-shot no matter what IT'S A JOKE!).
So your reason for why it wouldn't work doesn't really make any sense in the sense that it does work, even if it creates invincible tanks that cannot do any damage in return, that's STILL better than 1-shot no matter what.
So there's still no reason for this. But thanks for agreeing that PvP should work.
I do not agree that there should be some PvPvE though as the alternative, it's another mode that I have suggested myself, like LoL or DoTA, essentially a MoBA that would work, like a LoTR fashion battle scenario (Battle of Sauron), you can then have factions and all sorts of things like fighting for the demonic force or angelic, and each side would have hordes of demons/battalions of angels/humans spawn in army fashion instead of a few mobs at a time, and there would be elites and champions and bosses as well spawned and you would be the heroes that would slay each sides mobs and the other heroes, but that has nothing to do with PvP not working.
Never said there wasn't, like I said, it's broken because you just get one-shot. That is the ONLY problem.
"Anything more involved than Brawling is going to take away from PVE content development"
Even a simple 1000% buff to health and toughness? I didn't ask for balance, LB or any rules. PvE doesn't need LB to work, doesn't need balance to work (sets are imba AF), and don't need rules to work (rules make things fair, like the Challenge rifts for PvE, but it's not necessary for it to work), why does PvP need it?
As soon as you make it so at least PvP isn't only one-shot, then people will be willing to play PvP again even if just for fun because you don't get instantly one-shot non-stop, even if it's not completely balanced just like PvE builds aren't either, and then once people are willing to PvP because it at least works, some people that like PvP might return, then there's incentive for them to work on PvP again if more people want to play it but they don't have to because it at least works and it only took a simple 1000% increase to health and toughness, simple solution. That's all it comes down to.
I'm suggesting one thing and one thing only why do you guys keep suggesting I'm asking for more and claiming there needs to be more for it to work when all it comes down to is not getting one-shot no matter what?
You only cleared rank 1 GR on LB because Blizz can't balance properly.
And just remove PvP discussion if this game isn't for PvP. Why is there even PvP discussion?
it only exist because people like you keep begging for it to be in the game. Buh, D2 PvP wasn't even balanced. If any anything they just need to add it to leader boards to make you people happy.
If you want it so bad, bring it up with blizzard. Diablofans don't care. Even Reddit or facebook would bring more traction.
Yo Bagstones close this thread. too many threads like this exist on this site already.
Yeah, I never once spoke about balance here, I said so you don't get 1-shot which is the main problem. PvE isn't balanced either, there's no problem with that except having only 1 build viable that's all. They don't need to even add a LB, what's the use if everyone gets one-shot no matter what? That's the first problem that needs to be addressed, and it's so simple. I didn't ask for anything more.
And so they keep the forum just for one type of post? If they aren't planning on ever bringing PvP why let people beg non-stop rather than just remove the forum? Why lie in the description of the forum saying there's 'dueling' and 'arenas' obviously they just never took the time to remove it because Diablo was meant to have PvP in the beginning.
Close this thread? More like close the forum. Brawling shouldn't even be in the game, it's a broken mechanic, you only get one-shot, no one asked that PvP has to be balanced, just like PvE is horridly balanced.
That's like saying an axe can be used to chop a tree but can't be used to chop a person.
A hack and slash, killing game where you can't kill other players is a joke.
Why is PvP discussion even a forum then not to mention the second one, It's like this game was obviously going to have PvP but didn't get it so we have this PvP discussion as a placeholder/joke of a forum. Lol.
Even the description of the forum is a lie:
Chat about PvP, Dueling, and the Arena right here
Dueling? You mean 1-shotting each other? Arena? Where? The scrapped mode they changed to Brawling? Lol.
If it were multiplicative then the more of health you have the less effective it is, the same with damage.
Another thing is there's no way to do anything like 4v4 right now with brawling, since you get one-shot no matter what anyway, you never see the interesting dynamics possible of 4v4 arena, because you could have 1 tank in the party doing what you're saying, but in a scenario where it's 4 dps v 1 tank, the tank will still be killed, which makes it fair, and is the same thing as you have tanks and healers in your party when you do GR. But now it's PvP, people don't really realize how it's basically the same thing, but player controlled instead of non-player controlled, and it's just a x v x in PvP instead of x v y in PvE (1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, vs, 1v500, 2v500, 3v500, 4v500).
And in the end, so what if they can't die? In PvP, if you can't die but can't kill anyone, there's no good in that, so they're just making themselves invincible by sacrificing being able to kill anyone else. But because it's brawling and basically a 4-player FFA only, you don't have any teamwork so you could have 3v1 tank and the tank would still die, but at least not everyone is getting 1-shot which is still the ONLY PROBLEM MAKING IT NOT WORK AT ALL (even if they can tank, at least others can kill each other without 1-shot no matter what IT'S A JOKE!).
So your reason for why it wouldn't work doesn't really make any sense in the sense that it does work, even if it creates invincible tanks that cannot do any damage in return, that's STILL better than 1-shot no matter what.
So there's still no reason for this. But thanks for agreeing that PvP should work.
I do not agree that there should be some PvPvE though as the alternative, it's another mode that I have suggested myself, like LoL or DoTA, essentially a MoBA that would work, like a LoTR fashion battle scenario (Battle of Sauron), you can then have factions and all sorts of things like fighting for the demonic force or angelic, and each side would have hordes of demons/battalions of angels/humans spawn in army fashion instead of a few mobs at a time, and there would be elites and champions and bosses as well spawned and you would be the heroes that would slay each sides mobs and the other heroes, but that has nothing to do with PvP not working.
"There is PVP, it's just underwhelming."
Never said there wasn't, like I said, it's broken because you just get one-shot. That is the ONLY problem.
"Anything more involved than Brawling is going to take away from PVE content development"
Even a simple 1000% buff to health and toughness? I didn't ask for balance, LB or any rules. PvE doesn't need LB to work, doesn't need balance to work (sets are imba AF), and don't need rules to work (rules make things fair, like the Challenge rifts for PvE, but it's not necessary for it to work), why does PvP need it?
As soon as you make it so at least PvP isn't only one-shot, then people will be willing to play PvP again even if just for fun because you don't get instantly one-shot non-stop, even if it's not completely balanced just like PvE builds aren't either, and then once people are willing to PvP because it at least works, some people that like PvP might return, then there's incentive for them to work on PvP again if more people want to play it but they don't have to because it at least works and it only took a simple 1000% increase to health and toughness, simple solution. That's all it comes down to.
I'm suggesting one thing and one thing only why do you guys keep suggesting I'm asking for more and claiming there needs to be more for it to work when all it comes down to is not getting one-shot no matter what?
Yeah, I never once spoke about balance here, I said so you don't get 1-shot which is the main problem. PvE isn't balanced either, there's no problem with that except having only 1 build viable that's all. They don't need to even add a LB, what's the use if everyone gets one-shot no matter what? That's the first problem that needs to be addressed, and it's so simple. I didn't ask for anything more.
And so they keep the forum just for one type of post? If they aren't planning on ever bringing PvP why let people beg non-stop rather than just remove the forum? Why lie in the description of the forum saying there's 'dueling' and 'arenas' obviously they just never took the time to remove it because Diablo was meant to have PvP in the beginning.
Close this thread? More like close the forum. Brawling shouldn't even be in the game, it's a broken mechanic, you only get one-shot, no one asked that PvP has to be balanced, just like PvE is horridly balanced.
You only cleared rank 1 GR on LB because Blizz can't balance properly.
And just remove PvP discussion if this game isn't for PvP. Why is there even PvP discussion?
That's like saying an axe can be used to chop a tree but can't be used to chop a person.
A hack and slash, killing game where you can't kill other players is a joke.
Why is PvP discussion even a forum then not to mention the second one, It's like this game was obviously going to have PvP but didn't get it so we have this PvP discussion as a placeholder/joke of a forum. Lol.
Even the description of the forum is a lie:
Chat about PvP, Dueling, and the Arena right here
Dueling? You mean 1-shotting each other? Arena? Where? The scrapped mode they changed to Brawling? Lol.
And reduce damage by 95% and then PvP will work instead of getting 1-shot by everything.