Yeah true dat, it only cleared a Gr 69 with non perfect gear and under 800 paragon+ under 70 gems, but tal still takes a dump on it I guess. Why are people always claiming things so matter of fact-confidently, when they just are not even able to know those things at a certain point in time?!
you do realise you posted in a thread that is over a month old, and at the time it was posted it was assumed it wouldn't compete with tals due to how damage modifiers work, in that archon damage, and chantodo's set bonus damage is all additive, and is additive with self/party buffs also making it vastly inferior to tals in that regard, furthermore some of the information in the OP is now obslete and incorrect, therefore either needs updating or taking it very liberally with a view to being a rough guide on some basic mechanics and nothing more, in future think before posting, because so far all you are doing is making yourself look like a tit.
his post seemed accurate, if anything he made YOU look like an ass, or better yet you did that yourself...
OT: with the changes that went into the PTR last week archon seems to be in a good spot,
Did some testing (no fishing and no pylons to adulterate) with ancient gear all around with a couple of wiz setups:
Full tal'rasha cleared up to 56 np, after that u need some luck,
Del'rasha cleared 56 np has less dmg potential than full tal with F+R and CoE but makes it up in survivability
Full vyr with all the over 9000 items it needs cleared 56 the easiest of them all
and finally i even tested firebird with F+R and managed to also do a 56, was the hardest of them all.
Now granted 56 is not top tier, but after that point pylons + rift density etc etc play a major role in your sucess and i wanted to test with the minimum influences possible, to me all sets are kinda nice until 60, after that point the rift mechanics themselves favor some sets over others.
TLDR: Vyr is fine.
due to the way he worded his response, it appeared to me to be sarcastic, and actually trying to mock BDF, therefore, i did the same by stating that 350x20=7500 but i guess you failed in understanding sarcasm, should i have put a load of emoticons or something to make it super duper uber clear?
the nerf to the belt has left vyr-archon in a bad spot, the fact you think it is good is laughable, 56 is not even close to top tier, previous PTR version i was clearling 63-64 which based on each tier being an order of magnitude 12 higher than the previous tier, you were handling a tier that was ~84-96 times EASIER than what i was doing, furthermore the main source of damage in archon form is the set bonus from chantodo's, not archon itself, and in this regard tals is the best wizard set by such a big margin it doesn't even bear mentioning, it is like trying to compare a light aircraft (firebird), a jumbo jet (vyr), the starship enterprise (tals). Get my point yet or do i need to make it even simpler?
The only simple thing here seems to be your understanding skills, re-read my post...
Ofc 56 is not top tier i'm not trying to push gr limits on ptr that's just dumb and i have live for that, in which i'm currently in the top 100 eu wiz, you have 52 on live with your better wizard so i doubt you even know how 56+ grifts feel like solo.
Back on topic and to make it even clearer:
56 = good spot to test the strengths and flaws of the sets since it does not need any specific density/mob type/pylon to clear,
it's supposed to be cleared so you can compare it with the other sets.
The cube has many options and variations so really no one knows how it will turn out until properly tested.
With that said, remember the end of season 2? firebird suddently made it into the 60+ group and 50+ solo, (which was top at the time) with a build made popular by avoid wiz after everyone said it was shit for group the entire season...
Just because it's not the fotm it does not mean it sucks, properly used the sets are pretty close to each other (except delsere 6pc which even with 20b+ arcane orbs sucks) ofc one will come out on top (normally the easiest or the more obvious one to play and build) it's literally impossible to have 2 equal power sets in this game... that does not mean some adjustments to bring all the sets even closer is not welcome though.
Yeah true dat, it only cleared a Gr 69 with non perfect gear and under 800 paragon+ under 70 gems, but tal still takes a dump on it I guess. Why are people always claiming things so matter of fact-confidently, when they just are not even able to know those things at a certain point in time?!
you do realise you posted in a thread that is over a month old, and at the time it was posted it was assumed it wouldn't compete with tals due to how damage modifiers work, in that archon damage, and chantodo's set bonus damage is all additive, and is additive with self/party buffs also making it vastly inferior to tals in that regard, furthermore some of the information in the OP is now obslete and incorrect, therefore either needs updating or taking it very liberally with a view to being a rough guide on some basic mechanics and nothing more, in future think before posting, because so far all you are doing is making yourself look like a tit.
his post seemed accurate, if anything he made YOU look like an ass, or better yet you did that yourself...
OT: with the changes that went into the PTR last week archon seems to be in a good spot,
Did some testing (no fishing and no pylons to adulterate) with ancient gear all around with a couple of wiz setups:
Full tal'rasha cleared up to 56 np, after that u need some luck,
Del'rasha cleared 56 np has less dmg potential than full tal with F+R and CoE but makes it up in survivability
Full vyr with all the over 9000 items it needs cleared 56 the easiest of them all
and finally i even tested firebird with F+R and managed to also do a 56, was the hardest of them all.
Now granted 56 is not top tier, but after that point pylons + rift density etc etc play a major role in your sucess and i wanted to test with the minimum influences possible, to me all sets are kinda nice until 60, after that point the rift mechanics themselves favor some sets over others.
Not in seasons according to PTR leaderboards.
Those Who Do Not Know True Pain Cannot Possibly Understand True Peace...
The only simple thing here seems to be your understanding skills, re-read my post...
Ofc 56 is not top tier i'm not trying to push gr limits on ptr that's just dumb and i have live for that, in which i'm currently in the top 100 eu wiz, you have 52 on live with your better wizard so i doubt you even know how 56+ grifts feel like solo.
Back on topic and to make it even clearer:
56 = good spot to test the strengths and flaws of the sets since it does not need any specific density/mob type/pylon to clear,
it's supposed to be cleared so you can compare it with the other sets.
The cube has many options and variations so really no one knows how it will turn out until properly tested.
With that said, remember the end of season 2? firebird suddently made it into the 60+ group and 50+ solo, (which was top at the time) with a build made popular by avoid wiz after everyone said it was shit for group the entire season...
Just because it's not the fotm it does not mean it sucks, properly used the sets are pretty close to each other (except delsere 6pc which even with 20b+ arcane orbs sucks) ofc one will come out on top (normally the easiest or the more obvious one to play and build) it's literally impossible to have 2 equal power sets in this game... that does not mean some adjustments to bring all the sets even closer is not welcome though.
Those Who Do Not Know True Pain Cannot Possibly Understand True Peace...
his post seemed accurate, if anything he made YOU look like an ass, or better yet you did that yourself...
OT: with the changes that went into the PTR last week archon seems to be in a good spot,
Did some testing (no fishing and no pylons to adulterate) with ancient gear all around with a couple of wiz setups:
Full tal'rasha cleared up to 56 np, after that u need some luck,
Del'rasha cleared 56 np has less dmg potential than full tal with F+R and CoE but makes it up in survivability
Full vyr with all the over 9000 items it needs cleared 56 the easiest of them all
and finally i even tested firebird with F+R and managed to also do a 56, was the hardest of them all.
Now granted 56 is not top tier, but after that point pylons + rift density etc etc play a major role in your sucess and i wanted to test with the minimum influences possible, to me all sets are kinda nice until 60, after that point the rift mechanics themselves favor some sets over others.
TLDR: Vyr is fine.
Those Who Do Not Know True Pain Cannot Possibly Understand True Peace...