the best melee weapon is very debatable, greif/last wish/ botdz/ death/ doom/ famine. its very debatable all have there pros and cons
greif:damage is minimal, but ignore def
last wish: dmg isnt the best, but ignore def/fade/might aura
ebotdz: no crushingblow/ignore def, but high dmg and 60%ias
death: 66% crushing blow, dec dmg, but no ll, atk speed, or igore def
doom: not sure but i heard of people using it
famine: massive life leech, dec attack speed/ low dmg
grief is by far the best imho.
Grief ias greatly outweighs the % damage it lacks.
lastwish wud be second with crushing blow
it really depends on wut char u are...
grief is GFG for bvb and everything else.
ebotdz is only if u want mass damage (doesnt translate into much)
lw is gfg for ubers bcuz of cb
grief is by far the best imho.
Grief actually damage ias greatly outweighs the % damage it lacks.
lastwish wud be second with crushing blow
it really depends on wut char u are...
grief is GFG for bvb and everything else.
ebotdz is only if u want mass damage (doesnt translate into much)
lw is gfg for ubers bcuz of cb
Umm. With all due respect, what the hell did you just say??? :confused::confused:
Umm. With all due respect, what the hell did you just say??? :confused::confused:
Griefz is often overlooked. Why do you think griefz cost maybe double the price of any other weapon listed? Demanded probably 20x as much as anything else on that list? Why do noobs use ebotdz in baal games, and the pros in griefz for pvm and pvp?
griefz is the best.
ebotdz lacks +400 damage.
you see... there is a bug on bnet. actual damage is not the damage u see in ur attributes. enhanced damage does not do as much as it appears. the +400 damage in the grief is overlooked by many. the damage u do with grief is higher than wut u see in ur character school. the deadly strike is also a real bonus. add the ignore defense+prevent monster heal.
greifz is by far the best in pvp and pvm.such as bvb.
it is also used in uber killing.
lw is also great in ubering because of the cb and lt. its a must have. 70% cb is GFG.
ebotdz is only good if u want to brag about ur damage, but lower damage is just as good when u can kill monsters.
i can guaranteed 9/10 barbs in bvb tourneys use griefz over ebotdz.
dont agree with my assessment?
why do u think u see more griefs and lastwishes sold than ebotdz?
edit: why griefz is so good?
because ebotdz may look like it does 10000X more. but grief damage>ebotdz damage.
Griefz>Ebotdz in pvp, because of the ignore defense. in bvb duels, barbs all have 20k+ defense, ignore that defense, and ur griefz owns. The 400+ damage also doesnt show up on char screen. add the dr and -75% pvp damage. griefz owns the ebotdz.
also griefz has much higher average damage as compared to ebotdz.
also with a 20% chance of deathly blow (if i remember correctly) so a 1/5 chance of hitting double damage.
add in the fact that griefz hits more per frame.
griefz does more damage, and hits more, and also has a deathly blow or w/e. and it has higher average damage.
also people have done experiments, and calculating real damage. lowest grief damage > highest ebotdz damage. http://www.postabout.com/index.php?showtopic=210212&mode=linearplus
well my zeal pala dominates with ebotdz in PvM, but i could def use a Greif for duels..
oh also, there has been experiments that zealers hit better with grief and even does more damage. i dont think this is wrong. especially when everyone back in the day when they played barbs used griefs. and i played with the godlieset people on bnet.
Of course I am talking about before I quit last time. I am sure that Grief is more popular then it used to be. (I haven't been playing much of D2 lately.)
I remember when it was being debated whether or not Grief was good for smitadins. Lol.
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ebotd/death is sopose to be one of the best barb combo's...
so much talk about ebotdz being noob...
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grief is by far the best imho.
Grief ias greatly outweighs the % damage it lacks.
lastwish wud be second with crushing blow
it really depends on wut char u are...
grief is GFG for bvb and everything else.
ebotdz is only if u want mass damage (doesnt translate into much)
lw is gfg for ubers bcuz of cb
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Willing to help xfers/mods.
Umm. With all due respect, what the hell did you just say??? :confused::confused:
its not supposed to be a nice game
autostats are rediclous
lack of pots is not welcome
if it aint broke dont fix it! (diablo2)
Griefz is often overlooked. Why do you think griefz cost maybe double the price of any other weapon listed? Demanded probably 20x as much as anything else on that list? Why do noobs use ebotdz in baal games, and the pros in griefz for pvm and pvp?
griefz is the best.
ebotdz lacks +400 damage.
you see... there is a bug on bnet. actual damage is not the damage u see in ur attributes. enhanced damage does not do as much as it appears. the +400 damage in the grief is overlooked by many. the damage u do with grief is higher than wut u see in ur character school. the deadly strike is also a real bonus. add the ignore defense+prevent monster heal.
greifz is by far the best in pvp and pvm.such as bvb.
it is also used in uber killing.
lw is also great in ubering because of the cb and lt. its a must have. 70% cb is GFG.
ebotdz is only good if u want to brag about ur damage, but lower damage is just as good when u can kill monsters.
i can guaranteed 9/10 barbs in bvb tourneys use griefz over ebotdz.
dont agree with my assessment?
why do u think u see more griefs and lastwishes sold than ebotdz?
edit: why griefz is so good?
because ebotdz may look like it does 10000X more. but grief damage>ebotdz damage.
Griefz>Ebotdz in pvp, because of the ignore defense. in bvb duels, barbs all have 20k+ defense, ignore that defense, and ur griefz owns. The 400+ damage also doesnt show up on char screen. add the dr and -75% pvp damage. griefz owns the ebotdz.
also griefz has much higher average damage as compared to ebotdz.
also with a 20% chance of deathly blow (if i remember correctly) so a 1/5 chance of hitting double damage.
add in the fact that griefz hits more per frame.
griefz does more damage, and hits more, and also has a deathly blow or w/e. and it has higher average damage.
also people have done experiments, and calculating real damage. lowest grief damage > highest ebotdz damage.
http://www.postabout.com/index.php?showtopic=210212&mode=linearplus
*jz_owns_all
Willing to help xfers/mods.
its not supposed to be a nice game
autostats are rediclous
lack of pots is not welcome
if it aint broke dont fix it! (diablo2)
oh also, there has been experiments that zealers hit better with grief and even does more damage. i dont think this is wrong. especially when everyone back in the day when they played barbs used griefs. and i played with the godlieset people on bnet.
*jz_owns_all
Willing to help xfers/mods.
Actually I couldn't understand what you said. My grammar isn't that good but damn boy, at least I can be understood...
And yes, griefs are great. I usually see ebotdcb's on Barbarian's though. (Granted that's not ebotdz.)
you usually see ebotd's on barbs...?
do u play with pubbies?
go look on jsp, theres a fair amount of people there who know their d2.
go look around.
*jz_owns_all
Willing to help xfers/mods.
Of course I am talking about before I quit last time. I am sure that Grief is more popular then it used to be. (I haven't been playing much of D2 lately.)
I remember when it was being debated whether or not Grief was good for smitadins. Lol.
That's the strongest wep
its not supposed to be a nice game
autostats are rediclous
lack of pots is not welcome
if it aint broke dont fix it! (diablo2)
My friend had a sorc that could do about 86k. He had heard of the 95k damage zealasorcs but he couldnt get his sorc to do that much.
(One good thing about zealasorcs is that they don't require alot of skills so you can max orb and its synergytoo.)
so much talk about ebotdz being noob...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
100% Legit baal runners
SICK_Bambi 93 Barb (46th barb)
SICK_Paladin 95 Necromancer (12th necro)
SICK_ferret 95 Assassin (10th sin)
~~us West Ladder~~