Hey guys, today - over a year later - I'm proud to present the T10 version of the (previous) T2 Chariot bounty speed farm build. With the introduction of Kanai's Cube and Legacy of Nightmares, it's now possible to hit a damage threshold with Bowmen for T10. What this is means is you can stay permanently mounted on your horse while your Bowmen kill trash mobs, then blow some cooldowns (Bombardment) on elites/objectives, allowing for ~30 second bounties. Do note that this is NOT easy to gear for, but it is super cool and one of - if not THE - fastest bounty specs. Enjoy & discuss!
"~30 second bounties" is super misleading. You could be oneshotting anything that nears the screen and still not achieve that as your average simply because of the way many bounties are set up (although it is really interesting that you had 3 "kill x" bounties in one zone, unlike the even spread you get on live.
"~30 second bounties" is super misleading. You could be oneshotting anything that nears the screen and still not achieve that as your average simply because of the way many bounties are set up (although it is really interesting that you had 3 "kill x" bounties in one zone, unlike the even spread you get on live.
Some will be faster than others, some you will get lucky on, some not. Easier bounties can be done <30 seconds. Harder bounties will take a bit longer. Single target is very strong here, so for example Boss bounties where the path is obvious (Skeleton King for instance) will go very quick.
"~30 second bounties" is super misleading. You could be oneshotting anything that nears the screen and still not achieve that as your average simply because of the way many bounties are set up (although it is really interesting that you had 3 "kill x" bounties in one zone, unlike the even spread you get on live.
I think you took his statement too literally. Obviously not all bounties (like cursed chests wave of monster kills) will not be done in 30 second.
The build looks fast and fun - my point is you don't take the best time if you're going to list one, you take an average. "30 second bounties" tells me pretty much nothing about the build, because most bounties aren't really based on kill speed and won't be completed that quickly on average.
It would be much more helpful information to say "a full clear of all acts took me x minutes" or "each act averaged out to y minutes."
You can make T10 builds that with a dream setup and map layout can clear a rift in ~1 minute, but they are usually talked about as 2-3 minute builds as an average - and even then lots of people get upset when they find out they can't instantly do that themselves.
Also curious to know how LoN thorn horse compares to archers.
5 x Bountys A 1 - 5 = average time for all 36,42 min
5x Keywarden (all) = average time 2,30 min
very fast and a lot of fun, thx
Thanks for this.
Full clear average time 36.42min
36.42 / 5 = 7.284 / 5 = 1.46
Average of ~7min20sec per Act
Average of ~1min25sec per bounty.
These are much more realistic numbers. It's still super fast, but almost 3 times slower than the advertised number, as it should be. Unless someone can navigate perfectly and never get lost with 600% movespeed, no class is averaging 30s bounties.
I dunno why you guys are getting so hung up on a '~30 second bounty' phrase. Didn't say every bounty would be that fast. Showed a couple, sure. Point is it's fast.
Norvald's + Akkhan or Thorn Horse + LoN are both comparable.
MeatHead just 1 question, did you try it in a group play? do you think dmg will still good in a 4 man party?
Possibly, but even harder to gear for, since 4 man is a 2.5x hp multiplier for monsters ON TOP OF the new de-scaling for solo/2/3 player monster HP. It might still work, but won't be this fast.
Thanks for the tip, yes that's the WW barb in me coming out. I'll stand still from now on. You don't have to use Endless Walk, but it's a good combo. Crusader doesn't benefit much from HF (unlike DH for example) so the only other real option is immunity neck, but with the change to RG base attacks immunity necks are all but useless now.
Thanks for this.
Full clear average time 36.42min
36.42 / 5 = 7.284 / 5 = 1.46
Average of ~7min20sec per Act
Average of ~1min25sec per bounty.
These are much more realistic numbers. It's still super fast, but almost 3 times slower than the advertised number, as it should be. Unless someone can navigate perfectly and never get lost with 600% movespeed, no class is averaging 30s bounties.
with danetta DH, i did a full act 1-5 clear in 21 minutes first try, averaging 50 second bounties, i think chicken wd would be even faster
i don't know much about crus, but i can't imagine this exact setup is fastest for crus, needs more movement speed
The only build that could potentially rival this one for crus is LoN phalanx, because you only move by horse and pets do the killing, with enough dps it should be faster but would require a lot of good gear, full ancients with good rolls, not really a viable choice for starting seasons
i didn't really mean a completely different build, but can you not take advantage of the standard movement speed items/gems with this setup?
ie: warzechian, wreath of lightning, and boon of hoarder?
edit: watching the video again and i guess you could, he even mentioned there is no reason for strongarms, these seem like obvious improvements to the build
Thanks for this.
Full clear average time 36.42min
36.42 / 5 = 7.284 / 5 = 1.46
Average of ~7min20sec per Act
Average of ~1min25sec per bounty.
These are much more realistic numbers. It's still super fast, but almost 3 times slower than the advertised number, as it should be. Unless someone can navigate perfectly and never get lost with 600% movespeed, no class is averaging 30s bounties.
with danetta DH, i did a full act 1-5 clear in 21 minutes first try, averaging 50 second bounties, i think chicken wd would be even faster
i don't know much about crus, but i can't imagine this exact setup is fastest for crus, needs more movement speed
I've been playing locust chicken on PTR with Arachyr's and it is glorious. I'm hoping Akkahn's horse will be about the same but the buffs to Arachyr's are pretty amazing. It's a shame people are writing it off as a dead set with no purpose. Locust chicken has the power to murder white trash without stopping and instabomb elites when you do need to target an objective.
I know that DH is super strong and fast and I really enjoy playing it for rifts, but honestly vaulting endlessly feels so jerky and stale after a few bounties, so I'll be embracing the laziness of the horse and chicken for doing bounties and play DH for rifts, etc.
vaulting endlessly feels so jerky and stale after a few bounties, so I'll be embracing the laziness of the horse and chicken for doing bounties and play DH for rifts, etc.
agree'd chicken doc is insanely smooth and fast for bounties, but this horse stuff just seems too slow compared
Can chicken clear trash with locust swarm on T10 before the dot stops ticking, given the extremely low weapon damage range? I've asked about this about a million times after having tried it myself, and a few have said 'well yea arachyr got a higher multiplier' but I've yet to see a SINGLE video proving it. Genuinely curious. I know it can kill elites, but bounties aren't about elites.
The best I've seen is an extremely clunky T9 live Focus/Restraint playstyle that's way too much button mashing. Show please and thank you.
Can chicken clear trash with locust swarm on T10 before the dot stops ticking, given the extremely low weapon damage range?
with 1500+ paragon and 70+ enchants you betcha, the real question you should ask is why are you showcasing a bounty build for t10 in the first place? everyone should know t7 is sweet spot for bounty farming...
Can chicken clear trash with locust swarm on T10 before the dot stops ticking, given the extremely low weapon damage range?
with 1500+ paragon and 70+ enchants you betcha, the real question you should ask is why are you showcasing a bounty build for t10 in the first place? everyone should know t7 is sweet spot for bounty farming...
1500 para is a very small percentage of the population, so irrelevant for most. Also, there are additional mats per cache (I'm sure you're aware) this patch on T10, so whether T7 remains the sweet spot is yet to be determined.
whether T7 remains the sweet spot is yet to be determined.
no dude, it's obviously more efficient for most, the dmg requirement from t7 to t10 is so high the reward from t10 would have to be about double that of t7, but it is only 20% more mats...
the 1500 paragon comment was just to express that it is possible, late in the season, highly progressed players will split farm t10 effeciently, but that is as you said, a very small percentage of the population and therefore irrelevant for most
Can chicken clear trash with locust swarm on T10 before the dot stops ticking, given the extremely low weapon damage range? I've asked about this about a million times after having tried it myself, and a few have said 'well yea arachyr got a higher multiplier' but I've yet to see a SINGLE video proving it. Genuinely curious. I know it can kill elites, but bounties aren't about elites.
The best I've seen is an extremely clunky T9 live Focus/Restraint playstyle that's way too much button mashing. Show please and thank you.
Just tried a round of bounties on TX and completed the act in a few minutes (P700, some ancients, no gem enhancements on gear.) it's definitely slower than I do T7-8 on live, but then I don't really know many speed builds that murder TX at that sort of paragon/gear level. The build could have been considerably more efficient, too.
I don't know why you'd want to sit around waiting for dots to tick off on every single monster, though. For kill rare+x monsters just bomb any packs you see and that + stragglers will get you the required amount (unless it's a really bad map like Westmarch.)
Is it better than Akkahn's + Norvalds? I don't know - I haven't touched Crusader because I want to play it fresh in Season 5. Probably not if thorns is as good as people are saying. It's definitely slower and weaker than Danetta's UE/Nat DH, but I personally prefer the smooth playstyle. Of course it's probably weaker than LoN builds that can travel as fast, too, but that doesn't really matter.
My point was that Arachyr's isn't "useless" just because it isn't top end GR80 material. You can use it to do TX bounties relatively fast (faster than most other classes and builds) fairly early on due to the low gear requirements to get started. Many players will never have perfected LoN builds at their disposal, and will need a way to get the items for them in the first place. One does not invalidate the other.
Edit: I did Act I with the same gear, same levels, and it took 6 minutes. That's already at least on par with the test someone posted of the bowman horse. P715, 6 ancient items (weapon offhand boots pants belt shoulders) none of them perfect.
Waiiit, the reduced health is only for GRs? So the equivalent level GR is much easier than the TX rift you got the key from? That's stupid.
As a solo player, that really puts a dent in the season journey requirement of completing a T10 rift in 3 minutes. I realise it's still possible but with how many para levels? :/
(I realise Philiosophios already has the T10 UE video, but a T10/3min requirement build is going to be something in demand from people with peasant levels of paragon.)
Hey guys, today - over a year later - I'm proud to present the T10 version of the (previous) T2 Chariot bounty speed farm build. With the introduction of Kanai's Cube and Legacy of Nightmares, it's now possible to hit a damage threshold with Bowmen for T10. What this is means is you can stay permanently mounted on your horse while your Bowmen kill trash mobs, then blow some cooldowns (Bombardment) on elites/objectives, allowing for ~30 second bounties. Do note that this is NOT easy to gear for, but it is super cool and one of - if not THE - fastest bounty specs. Enjoy & discuss!
Build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/crusader#OPXVfQ!aWfS!ZaZYbY
https://youtu.be/kx8_SPtlJQc
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"~30 second bounties" is super misleading. You could be oneshotting anything that nears the screen and still not achieve that as your average simply because of the way many bounties are set up (although it is really interesting that you had 3 "kill x" bounties in one zone, unlike the even spread you get on live.
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The build looks fast and fun - my point is you don't take the best time if you're going to list one, you take an average. "30 second bounties" tells me pretty much nothing about the build, because most bounties aren't really based on kill speed and won't be completed that quickly on average.
It would be much more helpful information to say "a full clear of all acts took me x minutes" or "each act averaged out to y minutes."
You can make T10 builds that with a dream setup and map layout can clear a rift in ~1 minute, but they are usually talked about as 2-3 minute builds as an average - and even then lots of people get upset when they find out they can't instantly do that themselves.
Also curious to know how LoN thorn horse compares to archers.
Thanks for this.
Full clear average time 36.42min
36.42 / 5 = 7.284 / 5 = 1.46
Average of ~7min20sec per Act
Average of ~1min25sec per bounty.
These are much more realistic numbers. It's still super fast, but almost 3 times slower than the advertised number, as it should be. Unless someone can navigate perfectly and never get lost with 600% movespeed, no class is averaging 30s bounties.
I dunno why you guys are getting so hung up on a '~30 second bounty' phrase. Didn't say every bounty would be that fast. Showed a couple, sure. Point is it's fast.
Norvald's + Akkhan or Thorn Horse + LoN are both comparable.
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Could someone link me to a Norbald + Akhans Thorn Horse build please? I've seen it discussed multiple times but I can't find any information on it
Fresh off the press:
https://youtu.be/dKGqyVTYscE
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Thanks for the tip, yes that's the WW barb in me coming out. I'll stand still from now on. You don't have to use Endless Walk, but it's a good combo. Crusader doesn't benefit much from HF (unlike DH for example) so the only other real option is immunity neck, but with the change to RG base attacks immunity necks are all but useless now.
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i don't know much about crus, but i can't imagine this exact setup is fastest for crus, needs more movement speed
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i didn't really mean a completely different build, but can you not take advantage of the standard movement speed items/gems with this setup?
ie: warzechian, wreath of lightning, and boon of hoarder?
edit: watching the video again and i guess you could, he even mentioned there is no reason for strongarms, these seem like obvious improvements to the build
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I've been playing locust chicken on PTR with Arachyr's and it is glorious. I'm hoping Akkahn's horse will be about the same but the buffs to Arachyr's are pretty amazing. It's a shame people are writing it off as a dead set with no purpose. Locust chicken has the power to murder white trash without stopping and instabomb elites when you do need to target an objective.
I know that DH is super strong and fast and I really enjoy playing it for rifts, but honestly vaulting endlessly feels so jerky and stale after a few bounties, so I'll be embracing the laziness of the horse and chicken for doing bounties and play DH for rifts, etc.
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Can chicken clear trash with locust swarm on T10 before the dot stops ticking, given the extremely low weapon damage range? I've asked about this about a million times after having tried it myself, and a few have said 'well yea arachyr got a higher multiplier' but I've yet to see a SINGLE video proving it. Genuinely curious. I know it can kill elites, but bounties aren't about elites.
The best I've seen is an extremely clunky T9 live Focus/Restraint playstyle that's way too much button mashing. Show please and thank you.
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the 1500 paragon comment was just to express that it is possible, late in the season, highly progressed players will split farm t10 effeciently, but that is as you said, a very small percentage of the population and therefore irrelevant for most
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Just tried a round of bounties on TX and completed the act in a few minutes (P700, some ancients, no gem enhancements on gear.) it's definitely slower than I do T7-8 on live, but then I don't really know many speed builds that murder TX at that sort of paragon/gear level. The build could have been considerably more efficient, too.
I don't know why you'd want to sit around waiting for dots to tick off on every single monster, though. For kill rare+x monsters just bomb any packs you see and that + stragglers will get you the required amount (unless it's a really bad map like Westmarch.)
Is it better than Akkahn's + Norvalds? I don't know - I haven't touched Crusader because I want to play it fresh in Season 5. Probably not if thorns is as good as people are saying. It's definitely slower and weaker than Danetta's UE/Nat DH, but I personally prefer the smooth playstyle. Of course it's probably weaker than LoN builds that can travel as fast, too, but that doesn't really matter.
My point was that Arachyr's isn't "useless" just because it isn't top end GR80 material. You can use it to do TX bounties relatively fast (faster than most other classes and builds) fairly early on due to the low gear requirements to get started. Many players will never have perfected LoN builds at their disposal, and will need a way to get the items for them in the first place. One does not invalidate the other.
Edit: I did Act I with the same gear, same levels, and it took 6 minutes. That's already at least on par with the test someone posted of the bowman horse. P715, 6 ancient items (weapon offhand boots pants belt shoulders) none of them perfect.
Waiiit, the reduced health is only for GRs? So the equivalent level GR is much easier than the TX rift you got the key from? That's stupid.
As a solo player, that really puts a dent in the season journey requirement of completing a T10 rift in 3 minutes. I realise it's still possible but with how many para levels? :/
(I realise Philiosophios already has the T10 UE video, but a T10/3min requirement build is going to be something in demand from people with peasant levels of paragon.)