CMWW with meteor instead Explosive Blast

  • #1
    Hi guys,

    After annoying some people on other topics and hijacking this topic, I changed some specs on my CMWW build with success.

    But on trying to adjust to the new specification, I changed Explosive Blast to Meteor with Meteor Shower rune.

    I do have a feeling that things are dying easier (I'm playing on MP6), since this skill gives 107% per Meteor, granting over 700% damage while casting.

    With 19 APoC I sometimes run out of AP, but not very often.

    Question is: Is this only my perception or Meteor/Meteor Shower really gives more damage than Explosion Blast on a CMWW spec ?

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  • #2
    I really don't like the idea of replacing EB (or SA for that matter, since everyone seems to want to replace SA for some reason). It doesn't use an attack animation so basically instead of casting EB+WW you're just casting meteor. When you look at it that way, you're very likely doing less dps on a per cast basis, especially once you factor in CM and SA procs, along with Loh returns.

    The only reason I might like meteor in a CMWW build is if you run low MP. If you can 1 shot white mobs with meteor, it has much more promise. If you kill elites very fast, the meteor can out dps WW spam, but that's probably only for fights under 10s or so.

    So basically you're probably looking at your runs and seeing the higher burst dps and neglecting the lower sustained dps.


    EDIT: I don't even like the idea of replacing your 6th skill (usually teleport, or slow time, or MW) with meteor since WW offers far more CM procs and still does about the same sustained dps. Meteor, to me, seems like a spell you should build around instead of trying to throw into other builds with high synergy between skills.
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  • #3
    I've done a ton of testing with this and it results in less overall damage and the reason (imo) is because it seems like meteor uses an attack animation. There's only so many attack animations you get per second and they should be used on Frost Nova and Energy Twister. I had several problems (even above the 2.73 mark) keeping certain packs locked which meant losing time to refreeze them and wasting all of the tornadoes I had cast in the previous spot. In addition, I feel like it results in fewer tornadoes which (in addition to doing less damage) means less APoC to cast meteor too. On most elites at MP10 I couldn't sustain meteor as consistently as EB even with 19 APoC. The reason EB and DS work so well is because they don't have an attack animation and don't affect your FN/WW numbers. If you're looking for a dps bump and have the EHP for it, Storm Armor with Shocking Aspect is very impressive. I also use magic weapon instead of teleport.
  • #4
    Get high enough LOH and EHP and you can run WW, DS, SA, FN, EB and Meteor simultaneously :P
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  • #5
    Indeed, when I use Meteor, I spend 1 attack animation. This explains most.


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    Get high enough LOH and EHP and you can run WW, DS, SA, FN, EB and Meteor simultaneously :P

    Hehehe, that should be fun. :Thumbs Up: So many thingies falling from the sky... And explosions!
  • #6
    why is base meteor and molten impact? the one that inscreases its damage SUCH A COOOL SPELL i really want a nice efficient meteor build ever sinc ei got it i was all o.o best spell in game lol
  • #7
    Quote from Obbie

    why is base meteor and molten impact? the one that inscreases its damage SUCH A COOOL SPELL i really want a nice efficient meteor build ever sinc ei got it i was all o.o best spell in game lol


    If you want a meteor build, look on the official forums in the wizard section. There's quite a few floating around, using LL+prodigy for AP to fuel the meteors and Arcane Dynamo to make the meteors hit even harder. I've never tried it myself but I believe it's one of the more popular builds besides CMWW and Archon.
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    Arcane Mines Guide, detailed guide for the highest dps wizard build, including vids
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