Blood Brother is literally only used for the 30% reduce damage and 30% more dmg but yes it is cubed. Hack is shit it got nerfed. Furnace is shit elites MELT this build is meant to single target. Block is our AoE.
Block caps at 75%. You don't even want to roll Block on your shield either.
30% Passive
16% Eternal Union
15% Punish
20% Blood Brother
10-20% on shield.(might be 10-18 i forget)
Already over cap. Now you could say but but the up to 55% of Block chance reduction on Eternal Union. We are alrdy hitting 101% block WITHOUT 11% on shield. Block stops at 100% even though it caps at 75% for the reduction from ring.
Also you pretty much need Akarat's at the higher rifts. It also gives a stupid amount of dps due to 100% Iron Skin and Conc uptime.
Also, this build is just fucking silly. No ancient items and lvl 61 compass rose and travels pledge with shitty pig sticker without loh. Cleared 59 at paragon 155 with no legendary gems in 8minutes I don't even get it.
I'm new to crusader, but what do you think about nailbiter?
I know it isn't as fast as pigsticker, but it rolls with thorns.
The attack speed difference is massive though. Maces are the slowest weapons you can get, so the few thousand thorns you get from it doesn't make up for base 0.5 slower attack speed.
If you don't have anything else? Yes it's fine. But it doesn't compare to pig sticker, especially once you have higher thorns value as you gear up (and upgrade the thorns gem).
As for the block part: I'm currently close to capping without the 30% passive and just went with the 15% attack speed passive for punish (I suck at remembering their names). Don't know how much of an increase this 15% is though and how it stacks. Anyone got the numbers?
You literally want to roll damage off the weapon. It doesn't do anything as Invoker. Pig Sticker is better esp because of the Beast/Human damage bonus as well.
Granted that one is closer before you get almost 300 more str on barber.
Provoke doesn't really do much. Even if you have the shield its pretty bad with the set it doesn't buff the 600% from what people were saying. Also cons has 100% uptime on 33k hp per sec(trust me it helps when you tank 3-4 elites and 30+ whites at once). Also cons does pretty decent damage along with passive thorns to kill all whites while killing only the elites.
Okay i dont have the pig sticker on my NS crusader but i have these 2 weapons, i cant imagine that little attack speed more to be more effective then boost your thorns damage no ? with the hack im at 1.92 attack speed already and set gives 50% boost also... isnt that enough ?
I still don't understand why pigsticker is better than an IAS doombringer. Since all of your skills are physical, wouldn't the 20% boost be better? You can get doombringer to almost 1.5 aps. Pig sticker might be able to get 1.61, but is that really worth the loss of 20% damage to everything? I know it's probably additive, but it still seems like a lot.
Just wanted to pop in and say that this thread is very helpful. I had a similar dilemma as another poster having an ancient The Barber that rolled really well, and a non-ancient PS that rolled terribly. I decided to keep using the Barber in hopes of simply finding a better PS (I don't think I could possibly find a worse one).
Worth noting to anyone who doesn't know, but the odds of getting a PS using a yellow dagger in the cube and upgrading is literally better than a 33% chance, I think it's 40%. (only 3 possible results, and one of them is more rare than the PS and Barber).
I still vote hack as nr1 weapon to use and close after pig or any other that is fast 1.5as or more... As doesnt really boost up your thorns damage which u want more or less.
Bear in mind that the slight boost to attack speed from the Pig Sticker is probably quite minimal in terms of what you can actually achieve in the build. You'll probably get more benefit from augmenting an ancient item or two and using a hack than simply changing weapon from hack to pig sticker.
The basic Invoker build is quite clear, but regarding the weapons there are a number of options (carrying + kanaï).
Has anyone done the math, or compared all the combinations?
Blood Brother is literally only used for the 30% reduce damage and 30% more dmg but yes it is cubed. Hack is shit it got nerfed. Furnace is shit elites MELT this build is meant to single target. Block is our AoE.
Block caps at 75%. You don't even want to roll Block on your shield either.
30% Passive
16% Eternal Union
15% Punish
20% Blood Brother
10-20% on shield.(might be 10-18 i forget)
Already over cap. Now you could say but but the up to 55% of Block chance reduction on Eternal Union. We are alrdy hitting 101% block WITHOUT 11% on shield. Block stops at 100% even though it caps at 75% for the reduction from ring.
Also you pretty much need Akarat's at the higher rifts. It also gives a stupid amount of dps due to 100% Iron Skin and Conc uptime.
Also, this build is just fucking silly. No ancient items and lvl 61 compass rose and travels pledge with shitty pig sticker without loh. Cleared 59 at paragon 155 with no legendary gems in 8minutes I don't even get it.
So carrying pig sticker and akarats awakening with blood brother in the cube...
Any thoughts on Inviolable Faith for groups? Consecration is also cast beneath every ally.
I'd like to know if it stacks.
If you don't have anything else? Yes it's fine. But it doesn't compare to pig sticker, especially once you have higher thorns value as you gear up (and upgrade the thorns gem).
As for the block part: I'm currently close to capping without the 30% passive and just went with the 15% attack speed passive for punish (I suck at remembering their names). Don't know how much of an increase this 15% is though and how it stacks. Anyone got the numbers?
I need help here, i dont think Pig Sticker would be better without an ancient version?
Also the Barber is not that bad? Same AS and more Damage overall (non ancient)?
You literally want to roll damage off the weapon. It doesn't do anything as Invoker. Pig Sticker is better esp because of the Beast/Human damage bonus as well.
Granted that one is closer before you get almost 300 more str on barber.
I'd still also take the pig sticker because of the CDR. You want to have 100% uptime of as many abilities as possible.
Thanks, will stick to the pig sticker.
"Do you guys not have phones?"
Provoke doesn't really do much. Even if you have the shield its pretty bad with the set it doesn't buff the 600% from what people were saying. Also cons has 100% uptime on 33k hp per sec(trust me it helps when you tank 3-4 elites and 30+ whites at once). Also cons does pretty decent damage along with passive thorns to kill all whites while killing only the elites.
cube blood brother, use hack i dont understand why anyone would use pig sticker.. total garbage u want boost your thorns like crazy nothing else.
"Do you guys not have phones?"
Okay i dont have the pig sticker on my NS crusader but i have these 2 weapons, i cant imagine that little attack speed more to be more effective then boost your thorns damage no ? with the hack im at 1.92 attack speed already and set gives 50% boost also... isnt that enough ?
"Do you guys not have phones?"
I still don't understand why pigsticker is better than an IAS doombringer. Since all of your skills are physical, wouldn't the 20% boost be better? You can get doombringer to almost 1.5 aps. Pig sticker might be able to get 1.61, but is that really worth the loss of 20% damage to everything? I know it's probably additive, but it still seems like a lot.
Just wanted to pop in and say that this thread is very helpful. I had a similar dilemma as another poster having an ancient The Barber that rolled really well, and a non-ancient PS that rolled terribly. I decided to keep using the Barber in hopes of simply finding a better PS (I don't think I could possibly find a worse one).
Worth noting to anyone who doesn't know, but the odds of getting a PS using a yellow dagger in the cube and upgrading is literally better than a 33% chance, I think it's 40%. (only 3 possible results, and one of them is more rare than the PS and Barber).
I still vote hack as nr1 weapon to use and close after pig or any other that is fast 1.5as or more... As doesnt really boost up your thorns damage which u want more or less.
"Do you guys not have phones?"
Bear in mind that the slight boost to attack speed from the Pig Sticker is probably quite minimal in terms of what you can actually achieve in the build. You'll probably get more benefit from augmenting an ancient item or two and using a hack than simply changing weapon from hack to pig sticker.
What about the Sanguinary Vambraces ?
I dont see anyone giving the item attention nor information about it.
nvm