im a lightning barbarian (paragon 300) running on full raekor set. my lightning elemental damage is at 89%.
the weapons im using at present are odyn son (right) and shard of hate (left). im a bit confused and i need to know which combination of weapons shall be the perfect match for my barbarian - (A) odyn son + shard of hate (B) odyn son + thunderfury (C) thunderfury + shard of hate.
also i want to know which combination procs harder and gives more damage.
Since no changes have been announced to the proc effects, I'm gonna base my answer on current mechanics.
Furious Charge has a proc coefficient of 50% and WW has 13%, but most likely hits much more due to dual wield speed and so on.
SoH is currently insane with WW due to it proccing on attack, rather than on hit, so even your movement frames pepper the area with bolts. I'd say it comes out strongest of the three most scenarios. Though it will be less effective on Raekor's charge post 2.1. Thunderfury is currently "bugged" in that it stacks two chain lightnings on top of each other, effectively dealing its damage twice to 5 mobs, so it's really strong. Odynson will offer the 15-20% and the chainlightning. Arguably the 20-40% is the most important and will affect overall performace. It's chain lightning hits three targets, but will hit a single target three times if it's alone, so it becomes incredibly good at single target.
My preference is SoH>Odynson>TF. You can switch it around depending on rolls and your preference. Be advised, the TF proc gives a good amount of damage reduction, so it's probably more worthwhile if you're struggling defense wise.
I've not heard of this thunderfury bug. At some point it was bugged to hit the initial target twice as far as I know. But if it were truly hitting all targets twice.... well it would do a ton more damage for one thing.... I have actually picked apart what my base 100% weapon damage is in the past and TF seemed to be in line.
If that thunderfury bug were really the case, I also don't understand why you would recommend Odyn over it? TF would effectively be doing ~700% weapon damage, has a higher proc rate than odyn's son, and has double the chaining range, and debuffs targets.
Anyhoo. That is not to say I necessarily disagree depending on the items rolls. But some additional mechanics for you.
1. Neither Odyn/TF scale with lightning damage (though shard of hate is supposed to).
2. Thunderfury's base proc rate is around 60%, modified by proc chance of ability used. So it has a higher base chance than even the best Odyn.
3. But, Odyn does not have the 1 second cooldown that TF does. meaning in some situations Odyn might be able to proc more often.
4. I have never set out to test it, but supposedly the Odyn proc scales with attack speed... I was not sure if they meant that's because it has no internal cooldown or the damage actually increases. But it also does less base damage than thunderfury (EG 200% weapon damageish). But if it's getting damage from attack speed it comes out to similar -- hey you should go test that ;).
5. to me the only real bonus to Odyn is what Flakvision said in that it will hit a single target enemy multiple times, whereas thunderfury would just hit it once.
6. You are probably wasting stats getting so much lightning damage bonus.... imagine your odyn has +15% lightning damage. Taking you from 74% to your 89% lightning. From 74 to 89 is only a ~17% increase, 17% of 15% lightning damage means it really only increase your damage by 2.5%. In that case you would get a heck of a lot more out of almost any other damage stat like strength, or 10% weapon damage.
Ah yes, here's the post on mechanics. if you google there was also a barbarian who experimented with pretty much every weapon for lightning whirlwind barb. Though it wasn't perfect... it pretty much will give you the conclusions here
PS: if you want those conclusions spelled out IMO --> Shard of hate is best by far, then Odyn or Thunderfury as you wish. Odyn possibly better for single target, Thunderfury probably slightly better for general rifting type of play.
Given that you are at 89% lightning dmg, a well rolled Sun Keeper could also be an option, too (if you have/get one). Odyn Son is a mace, so if your crit chance is in the dirt, main hand it, and SoH off hand. TF is king for killing those pesky goblins, though (or any other mob that tries to run away). The snare effect from the proc is quite nice.
im a lightning barbarian (paragon 300) running on full raekor set. my lightning elemental damage is at 89%.
the weapons im using at present are odyn son (right) and shard of hate (left). im a bit confused and i need to know which combination of weapons shall be the perfect match for my barbarian - (A) odyn son + shard of hate (B) odyn son + thunderfury (C) thunderfury + shard of hate.
also i want to know which combination procs harder and gives more damage.
thanks for your time...
Furious Charge has a proc coefficient of 50% and WW has 13%, but most likely hits much more due to dual wield speed and so on.
SoH is currently insane with WW due to it proccing on attack, rather than on hit, so even your movement frames pepper the area with bolts. I'd say it comes out strongest of the three most scenarios. Though it will be less effective on Raekor's charge post 2.1. Thunderfury is currently "bugged" in that it stacks two chain lightnings on top of each other, effectively dealing its damage twice to 5 mobs, so it's really strong. Odynson will offer the 15-20% and the chainlightning. Arguably the 20-40% is the most important and will affect overall performace. It's chain lightning hits three targets, but will hit a single target three times if it's alone, so it becomes incredibly good at single target.
My preference is SoH>Odynson>TF. You can switch it around depending on rolls and your preference. Be advised, the TF proc gives a good amount of damage reduction, so it's probably more worthwhile if you're struggling defense wise.
If that thunderfury bug were really the case, I also don't understand why you would recommend Odyn over it? TF would effectively be doing ~700% weapon damage, has a higher proc rate than odyn's son, and has double the chaining range, and debuffs targets.
Anyhoo. That is not to say I necessarily disagree depending on the items rolls. But some additional mechanics for you.
1. Neither Odyn/TF scale with lightning damage (though shard of hate is supposed to).
2. Thunderfury's base proc rate is around 60%, modified by proc chance of ability used. So it has a higher base chance than even the best Odyn.
3. But, Odyn does not have the 1 second cooldown that TF does. meaning in some situations Odyn might be able to proc more often.
4. I have never set out to test it, but supposedly the Odyn proc scales with attack speed... I was not sure if they meant that's because it has no internal cooldown or the damage actually increases. But it also does less base damage than thunderfury (EG 200% weapon damageish). But if it's getting damage from attack speed it comes out to similar -- hey you should go test that ;).
5. to me the only real bonus to Odyn is what Flakvision said in that it will hit a single target enemy multiple times, whereas thunderfury would just hit it once.
6. You are probably wasting stats getting so much lightning damage bonus.... imagine your odyn has +15% lightning damage. Taking you from 74% to your 89% lightning. From 74 to 89 is only a ~17% increase, 17% of 15% lightning damage means it really only increase your damage by 2.5%. In that case you would get a heck of a lot more out of almost any other damage stat like strength, or 10% weapon damage.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12187048616
PS: if you want those conclusions spelled out IMO --> Shard of hate is best by far, then Odyn or Thunderfury as you wish. Odyn possibly better for single target, Thunderfury probably slightly better for general rifting type of play.