Don you're trying to argue with me that greed is a good thing.
I never said you have to be a humanitarian or give a huge crap about other people, but being greedy is certainly a bad thing.
People die a lot, I don't really care, am I greedy though? No. I don't take excessively.
There is no "negative sense" of the word greedy. It's a negative word. If you aren't excessive then you aren't greedy, almost none of the things you've described are excessive. You can argue all you want that there is no black and white and you can't quantify excessive, but then if that's the case you aren't being greedy.
People, well most, have a conscience that will tell them whether they are being greedy or not and for the most part society can agree on what's greedy that's why its defined as it is. If it's anything less than that then it is not excessive and not greed. If you seriously want to say the dictionary is wrong and there is a more appropriate word than greed then that's just semantics at that point.
Is disliking something bad? No. Is hating something bad? Yes because it's excessive and then it begins to become a problem for you and others around you.
I think everyone should donate to charity. I know I should donate more and I feel bad about it. Feel free to call me greedy or lazy.
With the bank example, they're not being greedy as long as they've gone through all the other options (like extended the payments or worked out a better payment plan for the family). In a capitalist state you're expected to make your payments. If the family hasn't found a source of money by the extended dates then it's unfortunate for them.
True greed is a negative thing, this "positive greed" you're talking about is something else. I can't think of the word for it but it's basically looking out for your own best interests. Maybe instinct? or survival of the fittest? ambition?
Only true globalist elite is what Adam Smith called "the invisible hand", which makes a capitalistic market society function the way it does. It's mostly about group behavior, game theory and other fascinating concepts interacting with one another.
I strongly claim that greed is not bad. In the same way that gravity is not bad, but just exists, greed is an inseparable element of humanity. Greed defined as in "the desire to improve the lives of oneself and their immediate loved ones". Who would want to make their loved ones suffer? Greed in its stereotypical "me me me, money money money" is not truly greed, but social inaptitude and the lack of ability to find and build social relationships.
Altruistic people exist, but they are nowhere near the norm. Rather than shun greed and act all "holier than thou", greed should be encouraged and kept in check by laws that make the playing field a trade-off between equality and effectiveness.
Doesn't fit any definition of greed I know.
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But..You're just inserting your opinion of the people...Greed is a word. It has a definition. It applies to all of those scenarios.
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I find it a striking example of how we hate our fellow humans that we would rather have empty houses and people on the streets then have those people live in those houses.
I think it says a lot about us as a species not only that we do such a thing, but that we try to explain it away.
So, I was closing the store down last night and a lady asked who was the new manager. (We (Me and my cashier) knew she meant assistant, but whatever.) Anyway, I let her keep talking about how great the store was looking now compared to the last guy, and then when she was done, I just said "Thankyou."
It was quite hilarious. She was like "Oh, you are the new guy?" I just smiled and nodded.
Edit: I was just thinking, my boss loved the last guy who was the assistant manager, thought he was the greatest, but sales have gone up, morale has gone up, store looks better, and customers are happier sense I started running the evening shift.
I find it a striking example of how we hate our fellow humans that we would rather have empty houses and people on the streets then have those people live in those houses.
I think it says a lot about us as a species not only that we do such a thing, but that we try to explain it away.
Hhmm? Animals are the same way. If you're not a part of the pack, the pack will reject you. If a lone wolf tries to join a new pack, the pack will not allow it. I'm pretty sure most animals are like this. That would mean another mouth to feed. That doesn't bode well for animals just trying to live from day to day. It's all about survival for them. And for us as well at our base instincts. If I don't know you, don't expect me to welcome you into my house. Not because I hate you, but because I don't know you and I already have enough problems to deal with, let alone someone else in the house.
I don't see how not letting people in your house=hating them. I don't carry any hatred for humanity. But if I could choose to live with someone and without someone, I would choose to live without(not including spouse).
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I have two problems with that though. With the idea that you cannot let somebody in your pack because it takes resources, the house is already built, and nobody is living in it. The resources are spent, the wood is placed, the bolts and screws are inserted, the wires are...wired, it's already done. But because those without a home don't have enough of this green paper that everybody seems to want, they are not allowed the privilege of living with a roof over their head.
As for the idea of the pack itself, with technology, our species is getting ever closer to the point where Humanity on Earth is a pack. Especially when you consider how much smaller the world is today then it was just a few decades ago.
We have dozens and dozens of empty houses in my city. They have been empty sense before I started Junior High. That's about 12 years. Imagine the use that these families that are living under the 7th street bridge could have gotten out of them in that time frame. Instead we prefer them to be empty and send the police after the homeless.
And this isn't just my city, this is all across the nation that this is happening.
Humans only care about money. And that's sickening in my opinion.
I have two problems with that though. With the idea that you cannot let somebody in your pack because it takes resources, the house is already built, and nobody is living in it. The resources are spent, the wood is placed, the bolts and screws are inserted, the wires are...wired, it's already done. But because those without a home don't have enough of this green paper that everybody seems to want, they are not allowed the privilege of living with a roof over their head.
As for the idea of the pack itself, with technology, our species is getting ever closer to the point where Humanity on Earth is a pack. Especially when you consider how much smaller the world is today then it was just a few decades ago.
It's not about the fact that they don't have green paper. It's about WHY they don't have green paper. Socially, it throws up a red flag. If they are unable to acquire currency, there must be a reason. Maybe they have mental problems. Maybe they are criminals. Maybe they are addicted to a drug and can't hold down a job. Whatever the reason is, not having money does throw up a red flag. Something is wrong there. I'm not saying they are bad people. But, if you look at it statistically, chances are, something like that is wrong. I don't want to generalize the homeless, however, my instincts tell me to. I'm aware not all homeless have those problems. But, from personal experience, chances are it isn't a good idea to let someone like that in your home. It has nothing to do with me liking or not liking them. It's about doing whats best for my household and safety.
Linkx, it's not about money. Money is just a placeholder. It's not that we basely care about the money. But, naturally we care about prospering as much as possible. Money is the means to that end. It's a dog eat dog world so to speak. People are not nice.
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This guy posts quality stuff I tell you what.*Hank voice*
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Well I wasn't going to mention it but he made the mistake twice. So now he's learnt something. I agree with you by the way, there are programs available to help people get back on their feet but we can't just hand out freebies or the problem will get worse.
Ya..Idk...Maybe I'm a bad person for not having a moral crisis over the homeless. But..I simply feel no guilt for the position they're in and I don't think I should.
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It's not about the fact that they don't have green paper. It's about WHY they don't have green paper. Socially, it throws up a red flag. If they are unable to acquire currency, there must be a reason. Maybe they have mental problems. Maybe they are criminals. Maybe they are addicted to a drug and can't hold down a job. Whatever the reason is, not having money does throw up a red flag. Something is wrong there. I'm not saying they are bad people. But, if you look at it statistically, chances are, something like that is wrong. I don't want to generalize the homeless, however, my instincts tell me to. I'm aware not all homeless have those problems. But, from personal experience, chances are it isn't a good idea to let someone like that in your home. It has nothing to do with me liking or not liking them. It's about doing whats best for my household and safety.
Alright, some reasons why they may not have cash. Dupont just layed off another 5000 workers, and now 5000 families are without income in an economy where a job is already incredibly difficult to find let alone a factory job. A kid gets kicked out of the house because he/she turned 18 and then is fired from McDonalds because the manager wanted to hire HIS kid instead. A man gets sick and is in the hospital long enough for his employer to lay him off.
Not being able to afford a house doesn't always mean your a drugie, a criminal, or a mental patient. And not all homeless are bad people. Many times its just sheer bad luck. But hey, at least nobody is living in that house. That's a plus, right?
Linkx, it's not about money. Money is just a placeholder. It's not that we basely care about the money. But, naturally we care about prospering as much as possible. Money is the means to that end. It's a dog eat dog world so to speak. People are not nice.
Maybe that's the problem, we care more about "prospering". (In this context I can only assume it is referring to getting as much as you want while ignoring everybody else.)
I agree with you by the way, there are programs available to help people get back on their feet but we can't just hand out freebies or the problem will get worse.
And the programs are saturated with people abusing them, where people that actually need the programs cannot get them.
I understand the Constitution on this position. I am just saying I disagree with it. And I am not saying take homes from one person and give it to another. I am talking about homes that banks take from families.
I simply don't understand why we as a species prefer empty homes to homes with families in them.
And the programs are saturated with people abusing them, where people that actually need the programs cannot get them.
I'm confused by this part. Why can't people get into these programs? I'm talking about employment agencies, work for the dole schemes, there are even some courses where they pay you to learn in Australia. There are free counsellors that can help with mental or drug problems. I don't know how bad it is in the US but here corruption is minimal, and people who get caught are dealt with harshly. There's so much help out there if you know where to look and put in the effort to start fixing your life.
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I never said you have to be a humanitarian or give a huge crap about other people, but being greedy is certainly a bad thing.
People die a lot, I don't really care, am I greedy though? No. I don't take excessively.
There is no "negative sense" of the word greedy. It's a negative word. If you aren't excessive then you aren't greedy, almost none of the things you've described are excessive. You can argue all you want that there is no black and white and you can't quantify excessive, but then if that's the case you aren't being greedy.
People, well most, have a conscience that will tell them whether they are being greedy or not and for the most part society can agree on what's greedy that's why its defined as it is. If it's anything less than that then it is not excessive and not greed. If you seriously want to say the dictionary is wrong and there is a more appropriate word than greed then that's just semantics at that point.
Is disliking something bad? No. Is hating something bad? Yes because it's excessive and then it begins to become a problem for you and others around you.
I think everyone should donate to charity. I know I should donate more and I feel bad about it. Feel free to call me greedy or lazy.
With the bank example, they're not being greedy as long as they've gone through all the other options (like extended the payments or worked out a better payment plan for the family). In a capitalist state you're expected to make your payments. If the family hasn't found a source of money by the extended dates then it's unfortunate for them.
True greed is a negative thing, this "positive greed" you're talking about is something else. I can't think of the word for it but it's basically looking out for your own best interests. Maybe instinct? or survival of the fittest? ambition?
Doesn't fit any definition of greed I know.
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"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
I find it a striking example of how we hate our fellow humans that we would rather have empty houses and people on the streets then have those people live in those houses.
I think it says a lot about us as a species not only that we do such a thing, but that we try to explain it away.
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It was quite hilarious. She was like "Oh, you are the new guy?" I just smiled and nodded.
Edit: I was just thinking, my boss loved the last guy who was the assistant manager, thought he was the greatest, but sales have gone up, morale has gone up, store looks better, and customers are happier sense I started running the evening shift.
Funny how that works, isn't it?
Hhmm? Animals are the same way. If you're not a part of the pack, the pack will reject you. If a lone wolf tries to join a new pack, the pack will not allow it. I'm pretty sure most animals are like this. That would mean another mouth to feed. That doesn't bode well for animals just trying to live from day to day. It's all about survival for them. And for us as well at our base instincts. If I don't know you, don't expect me to welcome you into my house. Not because I hate you, but because I don't know you and I already have enough problems to deal with, let alone someone else in the house.
I don't see how not letting people in your house=hating them. I don't carry any hatred for humanity. But if I could choose to live with someone and without someone, I would choose to live without(not including spouse).
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"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
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As for the idea of the pack itself, with technology, our species is getting ever closer to the point where Humanity on Earth is a pack. Especially when you consider how much smaller the world is today then it was just a few decades ago.
And this isn't just my city, this is all across the nation that this is happening.
Humans only care about money. And that's sickening in my opinion.
It's not about the fact that they don't have green paper. It's about WHY they don't have green paper. Socially, it throws up a red flag. If they are unable to acquire currency, there must be a reason. Maybe they have mental problems. Maybe they are criminals. Maybe they are addicted to a drug and can't hold down a job. Whatever the reason is, not having money does throw up a red flag. Something is wrong there. I'm not saying they are bad people. But, if you look at it statistically, chances are, something like that is wrong. I don't want to generalize the homeless, however, my instincts tell me to. I'm aware not all homeless have those problems. But, from personal experience, chances are it isn't a good idea to let someone like that in your home. It has nothing to do with me liking or not liking them. It's about doing whats best for my household and safety.
Linkx, it's not about money. Money is just a placeholder. It's not that we basely care about the money. But, naturally we care about prospering as much as possible. Money is the means to that end. It's a dog eat dog world so to speak. People are not nice.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
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This guy posts quality stuff I tell you what.*Hank voice*
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Alright, some reasons why they may not have cash. Dupont just layed off another 5000 workers, and now 5000 families are without income in an economy where a job is already incredibly difficult to find let alone a factory job. A kid gets kicked out of the house because he/she turned 18 and then is fired from McDonalds because the manager wanted to hire HIS kid instead. A man gets sick and is in the hospital long enough for his employer to lay him off.
Not being able to afford a house doesn't always mean your a drugie, a criminal, or a mental patient. And not all homeless are bad people. Many times its just sheer bad luck. But hey, at least nobody is living in that house. That's a plus, right?
Maybe that's the problem, we care more about "prospering". (In this context I can only assume it is referring to getting as much as you want while ignoring everybody else.)
Well, I never could spell. I hope that you had read the entire post though, instead of just focusing in on the poor grammar.
And the programs are saturated with people abusing them, where people that actually need the programs cannot get them.
I simply don't understand why we as a species prefer empty homes to homes with families in them.
I'm confused by this part. Why can't people get into these programs? I'm talking about employment agencies, work for the dole schemes, there are even some courses where they pay you to learn in Australia. There are free counsellors that can help with mental or drug problems. I don't know how bad it is in the US but here corruption is minimal, and people who get caught are dealt with harshly. There's so much help out there if you know where to look and put in the effort to start fixing your life.