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How could you call that "balanced"? It's still 3 bitches and one god like it was last season. Ridiculous. When you can afford to have 3 supports and 1 dps you know that something is terribly unbalanced with that dps.

Oh wait, 2000% damage multiplier. Do you think, maybe, there's a slight chance that this could potentially be the culprit?

They just couldn't give it 1200%, hell, 1500%, couldn't they? They just HAD to go overboard and create something that will now be considered the new standard of power for future patches, that will then bring something even more powerful.

This is powercreep in the making, and they are fully aware of it. They probably think that big numbers make a lot of people hard. And they're perfectly right. People will just foam over the "deeps" and the GR numbers.

But then again, Blizzard has no concept of balance in any of their games, so why would it be different here?

It was never balanced, when DH's were in the endgame there were only DH's. The most "balanced" season was Season 3 where DH's and Wizards were doing almost the same damage, but one will always outshine mathematicaly, there will never be a balance and diversity in andgame because if people seach for mathematicaly answers there will always be a better combination.

Hurray for us Witch Doctors!

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I understand the frustration, I really do. I think we all (specially the devs) wish we could have all 6 classes have an even share of that pie, but that's quite unrealistic. An utopia tbh.

Given the past seasons, I believe that having 4 classes there, and a "viable" Demon Hunter alternative (by wudijo, presented in this same news post) is quite a balanced representation. With it taken into account, there's only 1 out of the 6 classes missing - if that's not reasonable, I don't know what is.

The discussion of having 1 main damage dealer and 3 "support" characters is a different topic, imho. Bear in mind I'm also not a huge fan of that, personally, but I wouldn't say there's no "end game class variety" (which is what I meant in the post) because of that specific group meta.

I dont think anyone expects it to be even all the way around, i know i dont but it pains me to see such a huge gap for all 4 situations. Crusader being solo is fantastic but if we cant work in a group then why play one? thats kind of how i feel about the situation after seeing this. I am only soloing on my sader because I havent felt ready to push groups but now this makes me feel like why even bother if you cant complete unless your zdps.

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I don't know why crusader wouldn't work in a support role. The big problem with DMO Wiz is that the twisters are so random in pathing. Why can't a crusader vacuum condemn, gathering sweep attack mobs and draw and quarter elites? Not to mention the crit buffs, defensive buffs, and even a health globe buff.

Gotta love the diverse builds, top 1000 grifts

Looks at Wizards, 99,9% using same build..yep..well done Blizz

I see the crusader is really strong solo. I wonder if it is because other people did what I did, found it too hard to complete the master set dungeon for their main, found the forums full of people saying how easy the Invokers Set Dungeon is, and leveled a Crusader to do the dungeon and completed it on the 3rd try and then goes back to playing the class they really want to. Of course it may just be the Wizard set dungeons. And if anyone tells me that firebirds is easy I will know you are trolling

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I don't know why crusader wouldn't work in a support role. The big problem with DMO Wiz is that the twisters are so random in pathing. Why can't a crusader vacuum condemn, gathering sweep attack mobs and draw and quarter elites? Not to mention the crit buffs, defensive buffs, and even a health globe buff.

They nerfed/removed the most important support abilities.

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DHs nowhere again, nice one Blizzard, so much for "balance"

so i guess the first 3 seasons where if you weren't playing DH you were doing it wrong never happened right?

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This situation of imbalance is a weird outcome for a game touting itself as primarily group focused. Is grouping really about 3 people with rag tag gear setups, cobbled together from, even if, partial class set and loose legendaries, catering to one all-mighty, properly garbed in their uniform set person? All classes get their sets, and I doubt they would like to run around in " oh is this useful now, because I scrapped it 10 times already " items, yet, doing that yields the biggest reward.

And maybe I would just wave it off as a quirk in the system if the gap of globe slaves groups and ordinary ones, that come together with their best sets for damage, was only 5 GR levels. But realistically, they are what? Something around 15-20 maybe. Ridiculous.

the problem is this: the infinite scaling of GR's means that in solo play, class sets are as evenly balanced as we are likely to see from an end game stand point, there is one set per class that can compete at the same level as each other, but when you get into group play, each player brings a power spike with them which allows a higher level of content clear than can be done solo with that gear set equipped, and as a result in order to function in these higher difficulties you need gear setups that cater to the content at hand.

The reason for this is that monsters at T10 should have less damage and more health, so we would need more damage than a single Wizard and wouldn't need defensive supports and obligatory auras/shields/escape deaths on every class.

Wait what, how is that balanced? The chart looks like that because it's literally the same 4-player party in every case. That's not remotely balanced at all, there's near-zero representation of Crusaders and Demon Hunters. That is the complete opposite of balance and shows just how dire of a situation balance at that level really is. Just because people aren't single-class-stacking doesn't mean it's balanced.