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Hmm... Biggest problem with D3? Personally speaking it is the disparity between single player and multiplayer. That is what feels most immediate to me.

@MeatHeadMikhail: Although this is the second time I watched this video I never before commented on it. I hadn't ever considered the amount of content we skip for the sake of moving to what is deemed worthwhile. Everything is now eclipsed by Greater Rifts but perhaps that's how it should be. The end game. It would be great if there were more reasons to jump into Bounties or Story Mode if only to break up the monotony, but I do not see them becoming more than a diversion.

The issue is that endgame is only 1 thing. Yes D2 endgame was boss runs, but at least there was variety. NM Andariel, speed farming NM Chaos, Pindle Runs, Nilathak run, Baal runs, Ubers, Trav runs (for gold/gambling), crafting, Meph. The leveling process (minus the Ancients exploit) also took a while.

I don't mind the quick leveling (well, it's a bit excessive now but whatever), or the lack of a skill tree, or even that pre-70 stuff is worthless, since the game has been modified to accomodate for all that by rushing you through it.

What I mind is really twofold: 1) Endgame is a single thing with no variety. None. There are like 5 map layouts. At least T6 has some cool maps, but of course T6 is garbage. 2) Too many garbage endgame items/sets.

You could EASILY take something like Frydher's Wrath and add 'Condemn also deals 5x more damage' and BOOM Condemn build is back, right up there with Roland's.

Something to keep in mind is that it's pretty much impossible to keep D3 as a truly competitive game. The main reason is that it's a loot hunt game, meaning loot has to be worth farming for. Same goes with paragon exp. At the same time, anytime players stats are no longer equal, skill become less and less important, while luck and amount of time played becomes more and more important.

When you look at competitive games, the playing field is nearly even for all players. Differences go as far as cosmetics, and that's about it. D3 has too many layers of separation between player base. Looking at just armor you have:

No set

Wrong set

Right set non ancient, wrong rolls

Right set non ancient, right rolls, low rolls

Right set non ancient, right rolls, high rolls

Then on top of that you have the whole thing in ancient form. And then there's weapons, following a similar pattern. Paragon levels is one more level of character disparity between players. Realistically people can't compete out of their own gearing category, which leaves that game so better gear = gets further. Skill only really matters assuming gearing requirement is met.

Basically every time the loot hunt is improved (hellfire amulet, ancient items, etc) the competitive aspect of the game is worsened due to the larger gear disparity. Improving the loot hunt and making the game more competitive really can't go hand in hand unless there is a competitive aspect that doesn't account for player gear and paragon points. And if something like that were to happen, there likely would be no point farming gear.

Quote from Assasinaa»

i kinda disagree ..the leveling process, yes it feels nice, but it is something what you should only do once.. you go through whatever you want and you are done (if you like it, you DO HAVE the option to do it again).., if you were forced to lvl up every single character through story mode with no boost etc.. i guarantee that there would be much more ppl complaining..

I think leveling should be completely removed from seasons. However, if leveling is staying in the game than it should be relevant, and about finding the right gear and skill to level. The start of the season went like this:

Spend like 5-7 hours to level

Take like 3-5 hours to gear enough to farm T6

Do Grifts over and over again

The leveling right now wastes more time than gearing your character for the highest content outside of GRifts. It's clear that the whole game revolves around GRifts. So if leveling is going to be a thing, it needs to be relevant rather than just a pointless time sink. Otherwise they would be better off just starting players at 70 and just let them start GRifting.

Problem - Still Bind to account item / No trades

Quote from Assasinaa»

my opinion on Ancient weapons would be rly unpopular now, i think the way it is, is right... if you were able to get ancient weapon as easily as you get normal ones? what is the point of it being ancient then? like kridder.. its the best weapon,if you get ancient one you are rly happy! you can finaly play competetive,but that is the point.. its the best weapon! it is supposed to be rare..what kinda fun would it be if you just went to kadala, bought one bow and you get the best one in game? then you dont have to do it again? the whole point of diablo is farming, the same thing over and over again... only with increased difficulty ( which doesnt matter once you get good items and you only want better versions)

You can still go to kadala , buy only one bow and get the best weapon in game. Or clear a GR01 and get a ancient krider dropped for you...

People here are not saying ancient weapons being so rare is the problem. Problem is even if you have a full ancient armor set with the best rolls , if you have a weapon that is not ancient or an ancient with bad rolls , you are out of meta game.

That is the problem they are talking about : 1 item being the sole indicator of player power.

Why the comments about usefull sub lvl 70 weapons? Ofcourse low level weapons are useless. The equivalent of useful low level items are items dropped in low lvl rifts.. Which are EXACTLY the same as the ones dropped in high level rifts.

That's actually a problem I have with the game. A higher level rift should give BETTER gear than lower rifts. No, not a higher chance to get good gear but simply better gear. Then suddenly farming lvl 50-60 rifts isn't a waste of time compared to 42 speed farming.

Take the example from World of Warcraft.. How many people would farm the latest tier if Ragefire Chasm dropped the same gear.

Lots of words and walls of text, but in practice this game got one big problem and its not related to game mechanics, its more about how this game is seen by developers.

Diablo 3 has to offer alots of fun but for very short period of time. Depends of player type it can be week or two, or even a month. We as a players who love this game want that fun to exist for much more than that, but does developers want that too ?

I think developers are ok with how the game works, and that it gives fun for short period of time and that in my opinion is MAIN PROBLEM OF THIS GAME.

I like that the game has a strong loot/RNG component. I simply don't have enough time to do "gated" content like raids in MMOs. With Diablo 3, i can log on, do a rift, and possibly find an upgrade in five minutes.

The problem is that legendary powers on items in D3 are too macroscopic. You have the legendary, you have the power. Done. Yes, you want a legendary item with good rolls as well. But in some cases like a Condemn crusader, even a "meh" Blade of Prophecy can be better than a good any-other-weapon. If you don't have the item, the build is severely hobbled and sometimes even unplayable past T4~T6 (depending on your gems, rings, paragon level, spec, etc.)

I definitely don't want to make this game a clone of PoE. But i do like in PoE that you equip many many gems which each give a relatively minor bump to a stat, skill, etc. Thus, you've lots of room to make small upgrades to your character as you play. And if you're still missing that one optimal gem (or have one item with slightly less than ideal coloring/linking), you're only a few percent DPS below optimal. You're usually not crippled.

I like the idea of items/equipment directly buffing skills (as opposed to skill points). The issue is that everyone needs access to "Item X" in order to not be locked out of a build. But not everyone should have instant access to "Item X +9" with nice extra stat modifiers. Those extra modifiers should come from playing the game. I think both PoE and Diablo 3 have taken different approaches to this problem and it will be interesting to see how both games evolve/tweak their concepts over time.