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Barbarians can make appear boulders and rocks from the sky. Right. Ok blizzard.

Demons emerge from a portal in hell and do battle with angels. Humans are the spawn of both forces. Her der.

These new skills are all meh tbh

Black hole animation sets it up for an awesome implotion that never happens. In the rune that does happen, it happens too late. Still looks great, though.

Epiphany and Vengeance are nice skills, but animations again looks pretty bad. Same situation as DH's Shadow Power - just make 'em naked, paint with black and add colourful lights. C'mon Blizz... You can do it better.

Anyway thanks for post. Maybe show us all new armor tiers in next news?

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Barbarians can make appear boulders and rocks from the sky. Right. Ok blizzard.

At first, it bothered me too. But, think of it this way. All Nephalem can materialize matter. That's never really discussed but all classes do it in one way or another. So, it kinda makes sense that way.

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Barbarians can make appear boulders and rocks from the sky. Right. Ok blizzard.

Meteors dropping inside a cave.

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Barbarians can make appear boulders and rocks from the sky. Right. Ok blizzard.

Demon hunters can shoot balls of lightning from their bows which electrocutes everything in their path, but it doesn't effect his/her friends even though they wear heavy metal armor. Right. Ok.

His home is in the arreat mountains. Give him a break, he does come from the mountains at least

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It is sad I have to remind people that barbarians are not supposed to be magic users.
There is no justification for barbarians to materialize boulders from the sky beyond "we thought it was awesome".

You guys defending this are only making the whole d3 situation more weird.

Berserk: A powerful but reckless attack that increases damage and attack rating but decreases defense rating. Attack: +100%, Magic Damage: 150%, Mana cost: 4, Recieves bonuses from Howl (10% Magic Damage per level), Shout (10% Magic Damage per level).

In Diablo 2, barbarians were able to deal magic damage and they used "mana", which is used for magic. There were also barbarian elders who managed to summon a shield around Harrogath. Nihlatak, even though he is shown as a necromancer in game, was one of the barbarian elders.

Even if we ignore these, in Diablo 3, the barbarian character can summon the first barbarians, can cause an earthquake which can freeze or burn, can pull his enemies to himself with by stomping his foot into the ground ect. And he is a descendant of the most powerful race in the world. I think we can say that, even if barbarians as a people don't use magic (and they can, see above), that doesn't mean barbarian in Diablo 3 won't too, as he is a nephalem.

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Barbarians can make appear boulders and rocks from the sky. Right. Ok blizzard.

Demon hunters can fire their crossbows endlessly without reloading or running out of ammo. Right. Ok blizzard.

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Barbarians can make appear boulders and rocks from the sky. Right. Ok blizzard.

Meteors dropping inside a cave.

Invoked and materialized on the ceiling. No problem whatsoever. It is magic.

You're right, when I'm fighting demons in real life it doesn't look anything like a silly Barbarian making magic boulders rain from the sky. Furthermore,

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You guys defending this are only making the whole d3 situation more weird.

"the whole d3 situation"... what.

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You guys defending this are only making the whole d3 situation more weird.

"the whole d3 situation"... what.

You know, that situation where clearly the game is going downhill and nothing Blizzard does will ever be good enough and anyone who defends them or their decisions or even so much as says that they kind of sort of like the game is just an ignorant fanboy and doesn't understand why everything Blizzard has done since this game was announced is completely moronic.

That situation.

And I think you fail to understand that the characters in Diablo 3 are not ordinary humans. They are nephalem, a race more powerful than the angels and demons; and we don't know the limits of their power. So you can't argue what the barbarian in Diablo 3 can't do, because you have no basis for that argument.

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And I think you fail to understand that the characters in Diablo 3 are not ordinary humans. They are nephalem, a race more powerful than the angels and demons; and we don't know the limits of their power. So you can't argue what the barbarian in Diablo 3 can't do, because you have no basis for that argument.

So to be sure, you are ok with barbarians materializing hundred of pounds of matter above the ground? (Y/N)
Does the concept of classe archetypes ring any bells?
Am I actually arguing with actual people about this? This is surreal.

If you are arguing that the skill just doesn't feel "barbarian-ish" enough, then we can't really argue since that's an entirely subjective viewpoint. You could say the same thing for Ancient Spear since it's a ranged attack, or Call of the Ancients since a it's a summoning skill. IMO, the barbarian has a heavy, earthy feel to him, so it's not entirely out of the scope of his skillset. No, it doesn't make it any logical sense that the projectiles are materializing from nowhere. Half of the skills in this game, or more, don't make any logical sense.

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And I think you fail to understand that the characters in Diablo 3 are not ordinary humans. They are nephalem, a race more powerful than the angels and demons; and we don't know the limits of their power. So you can't argue what the barbarian in Diablo 3 can't do, because you have no basis for that argument.

So to be sure, you are ok with barbarians materializing hundred of pounds of matter above the ground? (Y/N)
Does the concept of classe archetypes ring any bells?
Am I actually arguing with actual people about this? This is surreal.

If you are arguing that the skill just doesn't feel "barbarian-ish" enough, then we can't really argue since that's an entirely subjective viewpoint. You could say the same thing for Ancient Spear since it's a ranged attack, or Call of the Ancients since a it's a summoning skill. IMO, the barbarian has a heavy, earthy feel to him, so it's not entirely out of the scope of his skillset. No, it doesn't make it any logical sense that the projectiles are materializing from nowhere. Half of the skills in this game, or more, don't make any logical sense.

We're not talking logical, b/c that's pointless. We're talking aesthetically, and I have to agree, Avalanche seems too much like a wizard spell. Spear and Weapon Throw, while "magical" still invoke a martial, melee weapon wielding aesthetic. It still "feels" barbaric. Summoning Ancients is borderline, but still, the Ancients do mostly melee damage, or throw martial weapons. Avalanche is different. It's pure elemental spellcasting. It's the perfect Druid spell (and yeah, Druids and Barbs are related, but there was that schism for a reason).

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And I think you fail to understand that the characters in Diablo 3 are not ordinary humans. They are nephalem, a race more powerful than the angels and demons; and we don't know the limits of their power. So you can't argue what the barbarian in Diablo 3 can't do, because you have no basis for that argument.

So to be sure, you are ok with barbarians materializing hundred of pounds of matter above the ground? (Y/N)
Does the concept of classe archetypes ring any bells?
Am I actually arguing with actual people about this? This is surreal.

If you are arguing that the skill just doesn't feel "barbarian-ish" enough, then we can't really argue since that's an entirely subjective viewpoint. You could say the same thing for Ancient Spear since it's a ranged attack, or Call of the Ancients since a it's a summoning skill. IMO, the barbarian has a heavy, earthy feel to him, so it's not entirely out of the scope of his skillset. No, it doesn't make it any logical sense that the projectiles are materializing from nowhere. Half of the skills in this game, or more, don't make any logical sense.

We're not talking logical, b/c that's pointless. We're talking aesthetically, and I have to agree, Avalanche seems too much like a wizard spell. Spear and Weapon Throw, while "magical" still invoke a martial, melee weapon wielding aesthetic. It still "feels" barbaric. Summoning Ancients is borderline, but still, the Ancients do mostly melee damage, or throw martial weapons. Avalanche is different. It's pure elemental spellcasting. It's the perfect Druid spell (and yeah, Druids and Barbs are related, but there was that schism for a reason).

But again, even if you're talking purely aesthetics, then it's entirely subjective. It's one thing to say that you don't like something. It's another thing to express disbelief that some people don't agree with your completely subjective opinion, as brx did.

And I agree that Avalanche would be better as a druid spell than a barbarian. Too bad this game doesn't have a druid.