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lol?? Patch? Where? Where are the updates? stop kidding pls

amazing patch..

sad but true ...

anyways you know how stuff works, ppl always want more than a single letter in the patch ... the fact is that ppl are still waiting for something that didnt come even in 1.0.3 ...

Im still waiting until this turns playable ... Im not flamming, dont get me wrong, I rlly wanna play, but I have no fun atm

why no beta keys for south america

there's plenty of things that can be changed without requiring a major patch or weeks of testing which apparently they don't bother doing

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there's plenty of things that can be changed without requiring a major patch or weeks of testing which apparently they don't bother doing

I'd be more inclined to take your opinion seriously if you weren't being vague.

4 hours for this.....

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there's plenty of things that can be changed without requiring a major patch or weeks of testing which apparently they don't bother doing

I'd be more inclined to take your opinion seriously if you weren't being vague.

I don't need to write a list of problems this game has do I there's plenty floating around, most are obvious if you play the game

these bug fixes aren't even worth the down time

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there's plenty of things that can be changed without requiring a major patch or weeks of testing which apparently they don't bother doing

I'd be more inclined to take your opinion seriously if you weren't being vague.

Interface changes to the AH ; they had this in development before, and i can hardly imagine it requiring weeks of testing to add one more option of searching or what not.

The 99% sure to come in 1.0.3 of being able to compare shit on AH - Did not make it. Just hotfix that in? If it's 99% sure, it can't be like they just can't put it in, and it's not something you need to ULTRA TEST before either.

Speaking of Bugs - How about hot-fixing the waller bug? Where mortar still shoot at Melee in strange curves because of Walls being recognized as you are far out of range, hmm?

These are things that are actually really f'cking annoying, don't require weeks of testing and really does break the immersion of the game, and further more just serve to be rage inducing because it's such small issues that i repeat, DO NOT REQUIRE weeks of testing, just a f'cking fix.

No joke. There's nothing wrong with bug fix patches but how about they actually fix the bugs that matter then?

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there's plenty of things that can be changed without requiring a major patch or weeks of testing which apparently they don't bother doing

I'd be more inclined to take your opinion seriously if you weren't being vague.

Interface changes to the AH ; they had this in development before, and i can hardly imagine it requiring weeks of testing to add one more option of searching or what not.

The 99% sure to come in 1.0.3 of being able to compare shit on AH - Did not make it. Just hotfix that in? If it's 99% sure, it can't be like they just can't put it in, and it's not something you need to ULTRA TEST before either.

Speaking of Bugs - How about hot-fixing the waller bug? Where mortar still shoot at Melee in strange curves because of Walls being recognized as you are far out of range, hmm?

These are things that are actually really f'cking annoying, don't require weeks of testing and really does break the immersion of the game, and further more just serve to be rage inducing because it's such small issues that i repeat, DO NOT REQUIRE weeks of testing, just a f'cking fix.

Are you a game developer? Do you manage complex systems? How on earth do you think that a change to the collision detection system (waller fix) doesn't require extensive regression testing? How do you think that a change to the interface which requires a totally new UI to be built doesn't require a regression pass on all Pri-1/Pri-2 Auction House test cases, as well as usability and accessibility tests because it's a UI change.

Don't talk with such authority if you don't really know what you're talking about.

Elo in a game that's mostly about gear and where you can buy gear for real cash...lol.

Looks like the debate over D3 caught CNN's eye today: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/tech/gaming-gadgets/diablo-iii-player-reactions/index.html I think Blizz needs to do a long post about this, its gone on for too long and its only getting worst. :\

i got a guild wars betakey but i have no idea where to use it or download the game, anyone knows?

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Re-read what i stated please ; They had the very format of which the AH would obey to, already in a earlier form of development. Assuming that has not gone to be collecting dust somewhere, i can LOGICALLY assume that it is not hard to make this change - And it was also in response to a person who actually went to mock another user for being Vague, and now when i am not being vague for that person, i am getting attacked by pitchforks.

And how i know that it does not require extensive testing with the waller bug? Because they already did increase minimum range of the mortar, how hard it is to actually have a thing FUNCTION as it is supposed to, in contrast to writing me off as if i cannot speak on this forums with authority? The authority i can speak for, is what i paid for - That is a authority you cannot question. And when i payed for D3, it did not say "Littered with bugs".

It is in fact only a BAD thing, so don't make me have to re-evaluate my authority when i am the customer - I paid for this shit, if it's broken - It's to get fixed, the customer is always right.

And no, i do not manage Game systems, i am as a matter of fact a customer who just wants his moneys worth - And that goes above any white knighting you might do on a forum, because at the end of the day, I paid money for a product, that product is to work, if it does not, they are guilty to fix this - because the product cannot do anything but reflect what is advertised.

Hi, I'm a programer and I can tell you simply adding a number to a value of a skill dose not 'fix' the problem in this case for mortar. The bug lies within the waller (or some other skill) and it's effects with targeting and then carrying over the target range into it's other skills (in this case mortar). When they made the change to mortar and it's minim range that was an easy fix witch got changed really quick.

Earlier form of development was not that long ago, it was called beta, and I was in the entire beta testing and you won't believe how many things changed. Just because something is planned or was in-development dose not mean it will make it into the game. Things like the AH is a very complex system and the database and processing that is calculated and served with the amount of data is simply staggering to say the least and I work with databases. It dose take a bit more than one person who never sleeps in a basement office to make changes to a system that is stressed already from the amount of abuse it gets

Yes you did pay for a license to play the game but I'm sure you didn't read the EULA and TOS witch include statements about bugs and fixes. New games have them all the time. If they where perfect on release it would be nothing short of a miracle. Even console games have patches to fix things on day 1. What you pay for is a license to play the game and agree to their rules, and some of us don't like that or agree on how it 'should' work but that's what we give up to play this game. It's like driving. We want to go fast and not have to stop, but we have to follow the law and that is what we agree to while we drive.

For the comment of 'the customer is always right', this again is not the case. We bought the game as is and as it evolves into what ever it will end up being. We should be grateful that blizzard even takes the time to listen to us, let alone makes fixes and changes from our direct feed back. If only we had more companies that listened to it's customers as much as blizzard dose. Now I'm not saying that they are the best company ever, they have their own share of flaws, but it's a lot better than trying to get someone like apple to release information about their upcoming releases, god forbid our feed back.

Not coming at you with pitch forks and torches. No need to up in arms. We, rather I guess myself, just trying to help you understand the other side of the coin with out the rage. Am I happy about the current state of the game? Absolutely not, but I'm trying to work with it until it changes again.

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Re-read what i stated please ; They had the very format of which the AH would obey to, already in a earlier form of development. Assuming that has not gone to be collecting dust somewhere, i can LOGICALLY assume that it is not hard to make this change - And it was also in response to a person who actually went to mock another user for being Vague, and now when i am not being vague for that person, i am getting attacked by pitchforks.

And how i know that it does not require extensive testing with the waller bug? Because they already did increase minimum range of the mortar, how hard it is to actually have a thing FUNCTION as it is supposed to, in contrast to writing me off as if i cannot speak on this forums with authority? The authority i can speak for, is what i paid for - That is a authority you cannot question. And when i payed for D3, it did not say "Littered with bugs".

It is in fact only a BAD thing, so don't make me have to re-evaluate my authority when i am the customer - I paid for this shit, if it's broken - It's to get fixed, the customer is always right.

And no, i do not manage Game systems, i am as a matter of fact a customer who just wants his moneys worth - And that goes above any white knighting you might do on a forum, because at the end of the day, I paid money for a product, that product is to work, if it does not, they are guilty to fix this - because the product cannot do anything but reflect what is advertised.

You want the bugs fixed. I can respect that... and sure, you can ask for them. I took issue with what you said here:

These are things that are actually really f'cking annoying, don't require weeks of testing and really does break the immersion of the game, and further more just serve to be rage inducing because it's such small issues that i repeat, DO NOT REQUIRE weeks of testing, just a f'cking fix.

These are not "small issues". You want them to change the collision detection of mortars; that's not the same as tweaking a number. Collision Detection is far more complex than that.

Yes, they had a different Auction House in 2008 that let you do more. I'm sure that there's a reason it was scrapped besides "they thought the new one looked better". As the amount of filters increases, the query time increases, the bandwidth use increases, etc. It could have been scrapped because it would take minutes to run a search in a real-world environment, or worse the AH webserver or AH dbserver could crash. It also could have been scrapped because of any number of User Experience concerns (accessibility, usability, etc).

I'm a developer in the test area of complex systems, work for a well-known company, and I have a background in game development. I'm not talking out my ass here. Bugs don't get magically fixed; it can take days to write the code to fix some bugs or implement some features. Then, test passes can take days or weeks, which in return cause new bugs to be filed against the unreleased code which also needs to be fixed, then tested again, etc. Once the system is stable, a patch can be released.

Hotfixes are quite different from bug fixes. Hotfixes are just changes to numbers. The mortar range change, for instance, was just a change of numbers in the range calculation: instead of MinRange=10 MaxRange=20, they made it MinRange=20 MaxRange=40. Very little testing needed. Another example of a hotfix is a crash issue; many times this is because the code tries to operate on a variable that hasn't been defined (an easy hotfix is to say "if this isn't defined, skip this operation").

I'm not coming at you with pitchforks; I'm just sick of reading people complain about "bugs with simple fixes" not getting fixed, when they aren't simple. I do the same thing when I hear a bunch of people complaining that Facebook is going to start charging users because they got a forwarded email and believed it.